There's no way they are going to change a schedule 5 days before the game.

Why not email them directly?

448,
That is a myth that is wrong. Please provide additional information. There have been come who claim BSA would lose $20K per reschedule - to those I say "please provide the numbers to backup your ridiculous claims". Even if they "lose money" it shows that they have very poor accounting methods in place to recover their costs.

I assume the latent claim is based on the loss of court hire for club training. We have also heard outrageous claims on here previously that BSA over schedule games at Wayville because "they don't pay court hire"

Let's get this straight. BSA have long term court hire contracts on several stadiums. They pay $X/yr to secure the stadiums. Now, any competent organisation seeks to secure revenue of $X + % on that investment. Anyone who has a departmental budget to manage or their own business knows that if you pay an employee $30/hr you have to pay Super, uniform, tools, computing, phone etc and by the time you take out the AL, LSL, training days, SL, PH, you need to charge them out at around $70/hr to recover costs, $75/hr to make any money. Let's not forget you can't charge out every single hour, so there is usually a downtime % to be considered.

BSA need to be doing the same if they do not already.

The competitions committee organise the games. The nomination fee of around $200/team/season should cover the court hire for the season. If the going rate is $35/hr for court hire, then for a 13 game season the fee should be 13 x 35 = $455/2 teams/80% = $284/season. If BSA have secured a long term deal and can charge themselves for less than that rate, then they still need to charge out stadium hire at a commercial rate, not at a rate of $20/hr because that it what is costs them.

The same with court hire for training. If BSA are only charging out court hire at a rate less than commercial rates then they are only setting themselves up for a fall. In determining the rate a certain inefficiency needs to be taken into consideration. That is normal business practice. If BSA secure stadiums for a rate less than commercial rates, they still need to charge out stadiums at commercial rates. It's like a business securing a good deal on goods and then selling those goods to customers at the same deal. The business needs to make a margin on that deal and so do BSA.

At the end of the day, the claim that BSA lose money is incorrect. What is correct is that BSA have a reduction in their opportunity to recover costs.

Nomination fee is not for court hire, it is for admin costs of administering the competition. The fee for entry to play at each game covers the court hire and cost of referees.

By moving games to Sunday, the same "game revenue" is still gained as would be the case from a Friday night game. However, revenue from training hire for Sunday's is lost as the games replace them.

Difference in bar/canteen revenue potentially too? Plus notifying all parents/players concerned at short notice.

It's possible that the 36ers are well aware of this scheduling issue in advance but know that Friday games are usually televised and might be worth taking for that alone as a means of getting sponsors in front of a larger audience.

GAMES ARE RESCHEDULED EVERY SUMMER DUE TO HEAT POLICY !!!!!

heat policy is well explained and expected.

what about refs availability, other family plans, travel plans etc

wont happen

495, nice to see you attempting to contribute to the debate, albeit without actually explaining your position. What part of the discussion do you have trouble comprehending?

It's very simple.

BSA secure courts at an annual rate. They pay $X/yr regardless of use. They need to recover that cost plus a bit over the duration of the year. They recover those costs by hiring out the stadiums for games, trainings and events. Although they have secured the stadiums at a good rate, hey need to hire out the stadiums at commercial rates to make the deal worthwhile. This includes game nights as well.

Therefore, knowing the actual cost of the court hire, knowing the commercial rate, BSA then need to determine a minimum number of hours they need to charge that stadium out over the duration of the year. With court hire, it is unrealistic to assume a 100% charge out rate of the available courts. When preparing the operating budget for a court or stadium, BSA need to allow for a % of downtime in the budget.

495, I know you are trying to defend a position, but either you have not been involved in financial aspects of a business, or are playing dumb. Consider a electrician. You pay say $80/hr for a electrician, but that doesn't mean they get $166,000/yr as they can't charge out 100% of their time. At best they charge out say 75% of their time meaning they bring in around $125,000/yr and by the time you take out the overheads, they probably get paid $60K. If you need a 100% charge out to recover costs, then you are coin g it wrong.

495, consider your own working position. How does you employer recoup the cost of employing you? Those days you are on AL, PH, SL, LSL and not bringing in any revenue need to be accounted for in the OPEX budget. Those days you are spent in training or other administrative tasks need to be considered.

To claim BSA lose money on reschedules is bad accounting. I reinforce that it is not money that BSA lose, it is the opportunity to make money.

Its an interesting/implied notion here that the needs of the privately run (for profit) NBL club should take precedence over the regular activity of the not-for-profit junior competition.

Is there not an equally compelling argument that if the Sixers want to take advantage of this then they should ask the league to reschedule their game?

I acknowledge Isaac's point about the Sixers knowing in advance the clash and the possibility that the value of their sponsor and on-air recognition might outweigh the crowd value.

Be good if a hot day was forecast for Friday.
A little bit of excitement and build up here.

I love the bit about the club being run for profit!

Onus should be on the 36ers to either reschedule or provide an incentive for juniors to adjust to suit them.

Isaac, I think that is true. The Sixers and BSA need to find some common ground and negotiate from there. If the NBL has a generic schedule of four games per round, 1 x Fri night, 2 x Sat night, 1 x Sun afternoon, then one should expect 25% of the games to be held on a Friday night. (I know that is not 100%), therefore the Sixers should play 25% on Friday night which means then play say 1 in 8 games at the Dome on a Friday, which is say 3 or 4 per season. With clever programming some could be scheduled in school holidays leaving 2 "clashes" to be resolved

BSA couldnt catch a cold at a child care centre.
No capacity for them nor the inclination to help out the 36ers who largely inspire kids to play the game in the 1st place

I remember when in under 14s we would have games postponed with a weeks notice at the most because of a 36ers clash. Nobody would moan because we got to go see the big boys play and have a good time. Also, the games would be played weeks later at a weekend date I'm guessing that wasn't being utilised. What the hell happened to juniors and BSA from 11/12 years ago? People got lazy and complacent that's all. I'm sure Dean would love to be able to make this happen, but let's be honest this is out of his hands really, and I'm sure he's probably tried to organise stuff for the crossovers in advance.

Also people who think its about a private company taking on BSA, it benefits them both in the long run and if BSA don't see that, then they are idiots

Am I missing something here?

36ers were aware of the NBL schedule, BSA were aware of the NBL schedule, and with a little motivation any hoops poster could have cross-referenced the juniors/NBL schedules and phoned BSA over a month ago about postponing Friday games. Instead we have a thread less than one week before the clash...

If you have an issue with this but failed to do anything but whinge at the 11th hour, you're just as lazy as those you criticize.

I don't get the impression that the 36ers (currently and historically) have gone out of their way to provide for local clubs so there might be animosity which is hard to build past. Gets to be very much a "what's in it for us" situation and no one wins there until one side makes consistent sacrifices to win over this generation of administrators.

Maybe the Sixers need to go to BSA/clubs and say "We want Friday to be basketball night in Adelaide. Getting TV games helps us a lot. What can we do to make it worth your while?"

And maybe the answer is player appearances, affiliate system for ticket sales, free promos, district game at half-time or beforehand, etc.

I've been surprised to never see clubs solidly promoting their intake at 36ers games. Want to play basketball? Find out which club is nearest you and try out, or join the domestic comp, or play social, etc.

I agree it might be a lofty goal Paul, but if it happens I am guessing they will take it!

it was worth a shot but logistics just too much.

a bit more time and maybe it could have happened.

http://www.basketballsa.com.au/index.php?id=62&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=880&cHash=e74ac10d96

Recent media reports noted that Basketball SA had received a formal request from the 36ers management on the weekend to reschedule games for this Friday in an effort to increase fan availability and ticket sales to this weeks' double header blockbuster games featuring Adelaide Lighting Vs Bendigo Spirit and Adelaide 36ers Vs Perth Wildcats. We wish to notify everyone that after giving the matter consideration, Basketball SA will not be rescheduling District games to accommodate this request.

36ers beat NZ on Friday, I'm glad they made a formal request to see if the kids wanted to see them, but seems no interest.

what does the scheduling of games have to do with the referee director and referee rosterer and development officer? or is it that these are the only two names you know from BSA and want to sound important?

as for their passion for the great game of basketball, havent seen many people put in over 40 years to keep this great sport alive. if you would like to keep this great sport alive then there are many courses available for you to further your basketball education and help continue to have an important input into the game.

who is the minority anon 791 ? just confused by your post

BSA are incompetent on too many levels to even acknowledge that the 36ers are an important part of the Basketball landscape in this state.

Every level of the sport is run like it is still 1955 in this state

KB3, It's the enchantment under the sea dance this Saturday night, see you there, except if you have a de Loreon and 1.21 giga watts of power, then I'll see you in 1985, or 1885 if I get struck by lightning.

Game is delayed on One HD at 9.30pm. Invite the team back to your place for a fun night. Have parents drop them off with a plate of supper, a sleeping bag, pillow and a foam mat for a sleepover and team bonding night. Go Sixers, and don't
Let the score out on the way......

I can't believe there are people saying that watching an entertainment show based on a game of sport is a higher priority than playing the sport itself. Wow!

And Jack, I have to say, much as I agree with your arguments about good financial management, your basic argument is - BSA should act like a business. If they do that, then they make the commercial decision not to disrupt their business when there is no commercial imperative to do so. Why would a business risk disgruntled customers and potential revenue loss if there is no need to?? Arguments about size of consequence (i.e., whether or not they would really lose revenue) are irrelevant. If there is a risk of adverse consequence associated with rescheduling and none associated with not rescheduling, you don't reschedule.

HaHaHaHa!!!!!! just shows how out of touch with reality the regular hoops posters are !
You could call all junior games off and i guarantee 99 % of those kids and parents would take the opportunity to have a night off from Bball and stay home !!
Give us cheaper tickets , edible food at a decent price or even a match program so we at least know who our year in year out players are and you might get a bigger crowd.
It is tough enough dealing with the junior basketball programming as it is without the hoopsters calling for changes so they can feel all warm and fuzzy about sixers crowd numbers

I seem to recall that I would rather play than watch

My son can watch NBA on his phone and training next to Lightning was not pleasant, unforunately

Still glad 36ers asked the question

Boti Nagy on the issue of rescheduling juniors

Why aren't the Sixers held accountable for that?

Why should the vast majority of 1500 members be put out to silence the whinging minority who want it both ways??

Professional leagues and the success of them in general drive interest in the sport. They provide pathways for young players, inspiration or initial interest to play. Not the be all and end all, but a big part of it.

The issue is that while the 36ers will feel a few hundred missing people immediately and so have a more urgent need to do something, junior administrators wouldn't notice the impact for a long time. The impetus isn't there. It's not like the 36ers do everything in their power (AFAIK) to prop up that BSA end of the equation either - the two sides can ultimately help each other.

As I've said already, though I have no current interest in juniors, I don't blame BSA for not moving games and think it's the 36ers who should be making the conciliatory moves first. Make it worth their while now, not hope they consider the sport as a whole.

But Boti's point is that they should be working together and make a short term concession in that interest whoever is asked.

these threads are tiresome !
there are thousands and thousands of people in Adelaide that could be at the sixers tonight - leave the junior comp alone !!