massive loss to the SEABL program if he leaves.

Lowery might be stepping up the SEABL coaching role?

Lowery at Rangers.....since when?

Perry will be a massive loss especially with the other people who have left recently.

All the above is true BUT there are a number of senior coaches who don't get involved in the junior programs.

Sometimes there simply just isn't time to do it!!

Also, there are a lot of Junior coaches who want to keep their teams all to themselves so they can focus on the Ws rather than building the program and, sometime, the individual.

Might seem a harsh statement but it is happening in a lot of places.

Red87.

Are you having a go at Ross Clark?

Ross Clark is no longer at Diamond Valley by the way.

Not having a go at Ross or anyone in particular.

Just saying that too many Senior coaches aren't really interested in juniors and a lot of Junior coaches aren't overly interested in seniors.

Reality is that a lot of, either, junior or senior coaches have the time or inclination to spend a lot of time with the others.

Been coaching for over 30 years and have seen very few Senior coaches who can commit to being heavily involve with juniors - some goes the other way.

16/2 girls are you serious? Is this because girls struggle to play man. Best zone coach in the world.

Well here we go again, not sure how I have been attached to this topic but happy to explain a few things (AGAIN)

red87: Not sure if or why you are having go at me or not. I have coached at Diamond Valley for 23 years in that time I have coached in excess of 1000 games so to say I focus on W's and not player development is an absolute joke. In that time I have coached first, second, third and fourth teams.

Anon#435829 wrong wrong wrong, yes I will be coaching at Diamond Valley in 2014, coaching our 16-2 girls team.

Anonymous#435837: Finally omething said about me that is correct, please see above, you are correct

do you believe it: First post from you and we have to put up with that mindless dribble. I am sure my team next year will be playing man to man. Obviously you have a beef with me, well like I have said on previous posts, man up and come and talk to me, don't be a keyboard warrior. Like I will state again, I am happy to discuss my coaching record and credantials with anyone, anytime. So again "do you believe it" come and speak to me tonight, my DV team is playing 8;20pm at MSAC crt 3 vs Melbourne Tigers in Under 16 VC Final 4 semi final. I will also let you into a little secret, we will be pressing back to a zone.As for the compliment about best zone coach in the world, gee thanks. I would suggest going and reading about Syracuse zone or UNLV amoeba zone, you might actually learn something about the game.

So again, if anyone wants to chat to me, please do so. It's getting tiring defending myself but I am not going to sit by and let gutless keyboard muppets like "do you believe it" take free pot shots at me.

So again, apology for the long message.

And finally, to DP, whereever he coaches, he will be a huge asset to any program. I hope if he does leave Dandenong, he goes out with a SEABL title next to his name on Saturday night.

Ross Clark DV Under 16 boys coach and Under 16-2 girls coach in 2014

Nice post but fell asleep half way through it. Boring stuff. A zone is a zone is a zone! You are just after W's and this group you have will pay the penalty in the long term become of your ego. Pity the coach who gets them next year. Man D - the kids will think he's an idiot.

And by the way, who are you trying to convince your a good coach? Self promoting ? No ego? I'm a winner look at me!!

do you b, so you have to have 2 attempts to have a go at me, showing your intelligence there.

I am happy for you to come to any of my training session to see what we practice and how I go about developing my teams. This group of players in Under 14's finished 12th, not even making top 10.

So in the 8 months I have coached this group, we have gone final 4 at Eltham, won the Classic and Final 4 in VC, I would say that is massive improvement.

Mate, I don't have to convince anyone I am a good coach, I will let my record talk for itself and that's for other people to judge.

So give the players the respect they deserve, as for whoever coaches them next year, I have no doubt they will be able to play man to man as we practice this at training (again feel free to come along) you might learn something.

So go and crawl under whatever rock you have come from, you have made 2 comments, both at me so a couple of things must have happened here, 1) I must have beaten you whilst coaching agaisnt you and you couldn't come up with a zone offence to beat me 2) I have cut you along the way 3) you are a disgruntled parent who has nothing better to do then whinge and bitch behind an anonymous user name.

So either put your name to your post (you won't because you are weak) or go and climb under whatever rock you came out from.

Ross Clark

Anon,

I totally agree, have no idea how my name came to be in this topic.

Like I said, wherever DP ends up, he will be ahuge asset to that club. I am sure going back to Bulleen will be a bit like a home coming for him.

I watched Dandy vs Bendigo final last week up at Bendigo, DP has the Dandy boys playing very well. It will be a great SEABL final agaisnt MT Gambier, best of luck to both teams.

Ross

Really sad to see DP leave the Rangers. I've been there 10 years and he's easily the best DoC we've had their in my time. I'm really concerned about the direction of the club at the moment, especially the influence some people have had over the junior coaching appointments for next season.

Ross, please understand that my comment had absolutely nothing to do with you. Was referring to other people I've seen over the duration. In fact, I know that you've done a great job with your kids this year. Anonymous, on the other hand, seems to have big issues with you! - seems like you may have kick his cat or something similar.

Anonymous - not sure DP cracked the shits maybe Dandy cracked the shits because he was wanted somewhere else. Always two sides to every story!

As it's been announced that DP will be the DOC at Bulleen, there's no guessing what he will be doing. All the best to Bulleen.

Like PaulyB said, no DOC at Dandy yet for 2014, no Ops Mgr and the direction of the whole place is a concern as certain groups seem to be controlling what happens to the benefit of thier kids.

Massive loss for Dandy Junior Program. DP has had amazing results and will be sorely missed. Dandy hierarchy restructured the role which effectively removed DP from the junior DoC. Not very smart. Why would DP not listen to other Clubs keen to take advantage of his capability? The Boomers will reap the benefits of a dumb move by Dandy CEO and Committee.

Ross,

You keep saying that your coaching record speaks for itself. Then why do you have to keep listing it on hoops?

I think your critics for whatever reason it doesn't really matter have some valid points about who you are and what you stand for.

Abusing anonymous posters only strengthens your critics case.

I hope your zone holds up tonight otherwise you will look the fool that these people think you are.

Dandy Lion, great comment and so true.

Blue boy, Don't agree with you at all!!! This is a forum where people express their views and should expect replies if they make dumb or wild accusations. Good on Ross for putting his name and thoughts in. Seems that the others don't have the backbone to put their names on their posts.

blue boy, I happy to stand by my coaching record, if people are going to get personal and critize me, I will defend myself, especially if like you they have no back bone and won't put there names to there posts.

As for looking like fool if my zone doesn't stand up tonight, really. I think you are under estimating we are playing the #1 ranked team in Melb Tigers on there home court. I they are excellently coached by Glenn Bines and MAtt Webster and I am sure they will come with a plan to try and beat us, just like we have for them

So if we lose (I hope we don't) I weill be very proud of my players and my efforts in 2013.

Not sure where I have abused spineless weak individuals who hide behind anonymous user names, if that includes you, well that is your issue not mine.


To red87, thanks for the support, it is appreciated, even if I an unsure of who you are.

Ross

Hopefully this get everyone back on Topic.

DP to Bulleen - Dont know if you would call it a massive gain - just a great replacement for Maher & Timms. Big loss for Dandenong.

Definately dont think Dandenong would allow him to maintain his SEABL job while moving to another club. Most of the Big associations (Knox,Dandy, Nunawading, Bulleen, Kilsyth) are all about keeping it all within - probably Nunawading except this year (YLW) heach coach - coached Juniors for Dandenong???

Dandenong have a proud and rich history for finding the right people - they will move quickly - circle the wagons and keep moving forward.

Anon - good summary! Just not sure about the last point in the short term as there are too many personal agendas being pushed. Something DP was working against all the time and tries to correct.

All the best to him at Bulleen.

Anon, didn't say massive gain for Bulleen but massive loss for Dandy. Agree with your comments it is a good replacement for Maher.

Can't understand the obsession with conflict of interest. Suspect this is a convenient excuse for Dandy Committee and CEO to make a change. But why change a coach that has been so successful in SEABL as well as the junior program? Doesnt make sense. It is either stupidity or personal. Tipping a bit of both. Dandy has been a great club up until recent perplexing decisions. Perhaps it is time for a change at the top.

Who is HBO?

Howd your zone go ross? And please spare me the diatribe of how good a coach you are.

Mate, our zone went really well, lost by 5 to the #1 rankled team in the competition. I love your fascination with me, so many more comments to add but basically you are not worth it.

Sorry ranked team not rankled

Nice response. Actually watched the game. I concede your boys were good but you need to mix up man and zone. Imo this cost you the game. But you know better and are better than all of us.

Lol spot on anonymous!

Whats wrong with a coach going where he is monetarily appreciated. Isn't that what player's do, or anyone else in any job? Its not like he's taken money and hasn't produced. He's done a great job with the rangers program worth every penny. But in this case he was made redundant otherwise he would still be there. So no money chasing this time for DP just bad restructuring by the CEO. Who I agree is driving that truck into a ditch.

Perry is a HUGE loss for Dandenong, not really sure what is behind it. In my dealings with him he has been a breath of fresh air in the basketball fraternity. Makes it fun for the kids.

However, like all clubs, there are parents with their own agendas that are on committees and/or coaching their own kids and Dandenong is no different. This is one of the things that basketball just can't seem to get right. The VJBL should have a rule against parents coaching their child's team.

If a parent really wants to coach, then coach another team, not your child's team. If your child is good enough, they'll make it on there own. Stop being the helicopter parent!

There are a couple of large ladies out there involved in the junior program that have made it difficult for Perry to make calls on merit. Essentially, forcing him to select their kids over others, whose parents are not as well connected. Shame on them.

Dandenong need a strong committee and need a strong junior committee, that can stop the influence of these parents. Stand up to them, say no. Have some moral fortitude.

Watched a great Dandy SEABL win yesterday . Great job boys and coach. The win was even sweeter as no one expected the boys to go all the way, in particular the Dandy hierarchy. Awkward. Now how are they going to justify their agenda to axe DP?

Read Anonymous post with interest. Agree Perry doesn't compromise for self interested people, perhaps that is the problem. Still can't understand why you would mess with success. How many Rangers junior teams are still in VC finals? Possibly more than any other club. While there are many that can take credit for such a strong performance such as coaches and players, it doesn't happen by fluke.

Am wondering whether saving a few thousand is worth derailing an entire Club. I don't think so.

Anonymous, I don't doubt that what you suggest is very likely true. That would explain the ham fisted attempt to charge parents to attend training at the start if the year that was quickly aborted.

Anyone can save money in the short term. Those who are ultimately successful find ways to do so that doesn't detrimentally impact the overall success of the business. My suggestion is that for a relatively small saving, the restructure to remove Perry from the DoC may have a greater financial and operational impact than was anticipated. People came to our club because he was there and they liked the program he and Gooding were running in the juniors. Will we see coaches and players leave? Possibly

DP has a contract for next year to coach SEABL He opted to take Bullen DOC for more money which is fair enough. Charles Ryan is a huge loss to DBA but his influence is still there. DBA has a commitment to its juniors and has always insisted on a Substantial number in its elite senior teams.

Parents had no decision making role in coaching appointments. Perry and Gooding made these appointments. The Board usually rubber stamps the appoinments.

As for staff leaving it Is a pretty normal part of change at the top. SEABL finals were well presented by DBA staff so the replacements seemed to be doing ok. As for the restructure, it was in the strategic plan to do this and include a full time DOC.

The new CEO has done quite well so far and has been thrown in at a difficult time with DBA taking over as stadium managers.

Anonymous, Not sure where you are coming from or if you just believe the rhetoric. Some, only a few, did have influence on coaching appointments. You only need to be around to know that - thinking otherwise is being naive.

In terms of the board just "rubber stamping" that's far from the truth! Last year, the Board had a huge issue over some proposed appointments and this resulted in some reshuffling and some weird decisions on who coached what - hell, one first team role was decided during tryouts based on whether a coaches child end up - he got the first team and it turned out to be a mistake!

Is the new CEO doing a good job, too early to tell really! Totally agree, he has a tough job especially with improving / expanding things to meet his stakeholders requirements.

Although he does think that the appointment of the new OPs Mgr/DOC is a secret - yet it was correctly named on this bulletin board a while back. He may need to get out of his office a bit more and understand how information easily flows around the stadium especially when it impacts people.

DP will be a huge loss and it will be interesting to see how Damon goes given he will be starting at the busiest time of the year for the juniors.

Will be interesting to see how things fall out - hopefully for the kids sake it all goes well!

DP and Gooding make the appointments if what you say happened then it was a decision they made. As for rubber stamping, I said usually meaning mostly not always.
As I am led to believe Gooding allows the junior committee to give their comments before the list is finalised.

If Lowery is he new appointment then he will need a lot of support at a time when try outs begin. I would hope he gets it

Shame Dp has left,he is a a good bloke,and will be missed.Anonymous it is not hard to see who this is,you are a bitter loser that the club got rid of years ago.If you think you know Dp you don't.He is a man who makes up his mind and is not told or influenced by any one,that was a strength of his.You are infact insulting him as a man!Glad they got rid of you!You cheap stabs at people are laughed at,can see you never put your hand up for the club.100s of hrs go into any committee persons time,if you have got such a big mouth put your hand up!Not at that club though!

Anonymous: glad to hear DP has a contract for next year. Would have been ridiculous if he did not have one. You noted that DP went to Bulleen for more money. That implies he chose Bulleen DoC over Dandy DoC for money which we all know is not correct. He no longer had Dandy DoC role. Stop trying to misrepresent the facts. You chose to release him. And plenty of people are unhappy about it.

I did not say that he went from DOC Dandenong to Bullen DOC for more money. I said he went to Bulleen DOC for more money. DBA offered him a new role and he decided not to take it.

Who is this short fat bloke referred to above?

Why Gooding left - things were not the best but he was fine with it. Alongside the restructuring of the position came a better opportunity working with BA and he decided to take it.

Flynn - work environment was not ideal. Decided to move on.

DP - contrary to belief did not find out about the final decision to restructure and be moved to an advisory roll until people started congratulating him and he didn't know why. An email was sent out to coaches about it and the email made it seem like it was a mutual decision and it was a promotion but he had no clue. No contract, no job discription, no pay discussed. The Job for BB Opps/Doc was advertised that next week. Other clubs saw that and started calling DP to ask what the deal was and made him offers. The rest was history. He did not shop himself.


The problem with all this restructuring is that on paper combining rolls and charging parents and siblings to watch training may have seemed like a good cash grab. But if you don't get out among the people to see the impact it would have it might end up costing you more in the long run. He's made decision after decision from his office which he never comes out of. Not realizing this business is about people. And his people skills not just with the general public but with his own staff is not very good.

Intheknow - great post. Very factual!

Looking at last night's VC finals, in the year the DP was removed Dandenong won 3 VC titles and had a runner-up at VC and VC reserves. Not sure the last time that happened at Dandenong?

Interestingly, DP had no involvement in the selection of coaches for 2014 and there are some obvious issues that exist with it along with the number of coaches not returning.

Who in their right mind, appoints a 17 year old male first time coach to coach an U16 girls team? That's just asking for problems especially after another 22 yr old more experienced coach had knocked the role back because he thought the age gap was too narrow. Was signed off by CEO.

Hell, CEO was at stadium for finals but didn't even touch base with his own clubs coaches. In fact, saw him walk straight past two winning coaches fully decked out in their Rangers gear without a word being said.

I think sums up the "people skils" issues for you.

Gooding and DP appointed the coaches. That was just before Gooding left. Ask him why a 17 year old.

Anonymous, You are very wrong. DP had nothing to do with appointing this latest lot of coaches. He was "moved aside" before this occurred.

Gooding and the CEO did the work on this lot of coaches.

Yes, I heard they did.

Fact! DP will stay and coach SEABL next season

Most of this rant is just rubbish. The little fat guy just can't help himself?

Very little on here are facts. Most of this is just gossip. DP did a great job as SEABL coach. Just because someone else confirms something does not make it fact. Were there rumblings in the junior program?

Fact DP did a good job at Dandenong.
Fact DP will be DoC at Bulleen.
Fact DP moving to Bulleen us good for Bulleen.
Also good for Bulleen is Guy Molloy and Cheryl Chambers at WNBL

First two are facts. Last two opinions.

I did not say that there were no facts. I said most is just gossip.

DP had nothing to do with the coaches for next season???

He and Gooding met with the junior committee. That said to me he had something to do with the list.

Facts are lacking. Basically just a hate email

Lacking in depth of knowledge in a couple of these. Perry rejected an offer to stay

He rejected an offer? What's your source?

Fairly sure that's incorrect money? or was that after they realised they'd stuff up shafting him and the job they'd combined wasn't doable by one person?

Too many people have left for it to be opinion!

Bet they've put the WNBL prices up this year so they can make more

Great coach of elite players but not a DOC's backside. Tries to help volunteer coaches by giving them position descriptions and being unavailable to give any direct help.