You might find upon reflection that Southern Pen didn't make the GF

Actually your correct, got knocked out in the semi's still a fair effort first year in.

Interesting...
I think that the casey women's coach is going to b getting a similar treatment.
I overheard someone who appeared involved with the club saying such things when I left game 2 of the grand final. I'm no coaching expert so I don't know what the deal is...but the teams only two years old and the guy has taken them to the grand final both years. Surely that's a pretty good effort?!
Thoughts??

And...the coaching position at keilor is advertised. So 3 out of the 4 finals coaches in div 2 women are most likely getting the boot??

So u think its personal??

The Keilor womens coach will be coaching the men

Ok...that's fair enough with the keilor coach.

I just think its crazy.
Is that politics going too far? Are the committees doing it just because they can?
Or is that just the way it is and coaches have to accept that regardless of how well they coach, if there's a clash of personalities then see ya later?

Well...it looks like there's a fair bit of politics going on at Casey and Southern Pen then...

Lots of coaches get sacked but not many retire...

Happy Days, you are talking about making finals in D2, you can pretty much win that with a well trained monkey coaching and a group of U16s playing... Yet he had a bloody import!!!!!

Wow Ashke...wow...
How come you haven't strolled in and cleaned up over the last few years then?

Casey's coach can actually coach, i am sure he will find another coaching gig pretty easily should Casey part ways with him.

And Mark is a quality person off court. Would be happy to have him in my club.

^^^^ agreed and agreed

I have seen him interact with the kids at Casey which is very important. The kids there seem to love him and his women's team. They sure get involved.
He seems like a nice guy with a passion for basketball.
Good luck to him if he does get the boot...a loss to Casey for sure...

totally agree, that being said i dont have any knowledge of the Casey situation and he could very well be coaching on for another year haha

I've also heard of coaches who got sacked because they resented committee interference in team play and selection, and said so.

Heard on the grapevine that SP YL coach sacked by email , will they have a team next season??

Big difference between a coach getting "sacked" and simply not having their contract extended or being re-signed. Most coaches in BigV wouldn't be on multi year contract deals. I'd imagine majority are simply signed on as coach for 1 season.

Last anon, what happened to Grant?

Is there such words as stability and continuity in basketball???

Hey, sacking / replacing coaches has gone on for ages and so has interference by committee people looking to protect their own.

The problem is that those committee people then dump rubbish on the coach, about their approach, training or handling of players, to cover up the real situation.

There is one Div 1 women's team that's had, I think, 4 or 5 coaches in the past 4 or 5 years. Can't always be the coaches fault!

One thing all of us coaches know, your only good as long as you have committee support or, most times, if you win a championship.

have a look at hawthorn women?

Remember hearing Justin Nelson and those guys talking about it during their season preview.....

Its all about ego's rather than looking at the big picture and what is in the best interests of the association.Happening across the board in all sports.

Interesting comment by anonymous having another crack at a kid(s) leaving Frankston. If you knew the slightest bit about basketball you might understand that kids want to play at the highest level possible. The Frankston junior program which was once strong, is now sadly in dissaray relying on quantity rather than quality. Mornington are growing and are becoming stronger. Sthn Pen is also growing despite limited talent pools. Stat wise Frankston had 9% of teams at VC/VC Reserve level this season (1 VC), Mornington had 8% (0 VC)and Sthn Pen had 18% (2VC). Interesting to note 2 Frankston coaches are now at Western Port, more talent leaving Frankston, maybe they were offered coaching jobs at Duke??????

So Werribee have advertised all coaching positions for 2014 - is that normal for the Devils or is there a clean out after the finals failures?

Casey Coach was dead man walking half way through the season. The replacing coach was already signed up at that stage. Bloody shame the guys is a great coach and two GF in 2 years is a good record that most would be happy with.

No Oswald no Devils so they will need to good imports to compete plus spending dollars on brining in more senior talent otherise them and sherbrooke will fight it out for the wooden spoon

Rumour has it Tim Parker is getting shown the door at Casey Cavs, any truth ?

Birdman33, 435527, Anonymous,
I have nothing at all against Frankston but over the past few years I have seen them fall away from the very highly regarded strong club they used to be (juniors). I don't believe all of this is due to politics, but I have no doubt it is part of it. I think you will find that the smaller clubs; Southern Peninsula, Mornington, Chelsea, Western Port, and to a lesser extent Casey have all grown substantially over the last few years meaning there better players don't automatically head down the road to Frankston.

Bringit ; #444270

As for coaches being Sacked or Not re contracted I doubt highly any Club in its right mind would have a coach lined up ready to go mid season for the following season, especially with a team that is heading for another finals birth. surely if there was something so wrong that they had gone down that path they would replace him there and then and not wait till the end of the year.

Just my thoughts.

Just For Laughs- Poor Call. that post just proves you are against Frankston. That post is just utter rubbish. Your relating everything to Politics and quite frankly has nothing to do with it. You are in the wrong industry.

Please explain. You are a long way off with your assumption.

Melton is laughable appointing that washed up old man Mick Downie as coach after having maybe one of the best young coaches in Victoria. Is a major downgrade IMO.

Proves their unprofessionalism and serious lack of direction if a coach who single handedly wins them their first men's championship walks out after 1 season.

Cant see it improving at Frankston if their new U/12s are only training once a week!!!

JustforLaughs 444619

I`d say it was on pretty good authority that it was done halfway through the year. The new Coach was approached by another association mid year to coach and said he had been given the top job at Casey. A few months latter what do you know he is the head coach and the coach of the year is shown the door....

Bring It 447971

Can I ask who the new coach out at Casey is then.

They have been keeping pretty quite. I know a couple of there players and they arnt even talking about anything down there.

Just curious.

Yeah just got that confirmed.

Apparently he has been at the club a long time.

Not sure of his coaching credentials.

Time will tell whether he is up to it or not.

Scrolling through this feed and noticed the fact that people couldn't work out why the casey coach was sacked? Played against them last year and wasn't very hard to scout out his poor plays and tactics (give it to Mokky or the tall blonde girl).. He had the best team in the league by far in both seasons but poor coaching cost them (2years running now)

Solid list? Questionable list at best.
Every team in D2 has a go to player:
Shep - Barton
WP - Thompson or Cooper
Chelsea - Lovejoy or Wilkins
Melb Uni - Mackenzie
Blackburn - Bohanna
Etc etc
Casey lack that player which they need badly, no player in double figures this week and they only put up 45...
They really need an offensive weapon and they lost that in both Mokky & Swain from last season.

Been competitive against all the top teams but just that one player short of being a contender
Nothing to do with coaching, just the roster in my opinion.

Some interesting post on here now.

I watched a few of there better games and definitely some of there games later on that were not so flash.

It would appear that they are still trying to figure out how to play with each other within their offences. I also noticed all of their plays are very different compared to last year.

Just from spectating it would appear that the coach is trying to get his players to think more than be robots, and at the moment it is definitely not going so well.

Especially compared to last season where it was very robotic and very easy to read.

Time will tell if they continue with him how far he can get his list. There is some potential, it just looks like they have lacked some teaching in game fundamentals in the past.

Good luck to him I say. Nice to see a fresh face around the big v circles.

Some interesting post on here now.

I watched a few of there better games and definitely some of there games later on that were not so flash.

It would appear that they are still trying to figure out how to play with each other within their offences. I also noticed all of their plays are very different compared to last year.

Just from spectating it would appear that the coach is trying to get his players to think more than be robots, and at the moment it is definitely not going so well.

Especially compared to last season where it was very robotic and very easy to read.

Time will tell if they continue with him how far he can get his list. There is some potential, it just looks like they have lacked some teaching in game fundamentals in the past.

Good luck to him I say. Nice to see a fresh face around the big v circles.

Justforlaughs

Results speak for themselves.
Perhaps playing more "robotic" might work for them if the results of the previous two years are to go by compared to this.
As for lacking fundamentals, again, considering the previous years success in a tougher competition, that argument seems pointless.

Lack of a "go to" player comes down to recruiting as well, although I read earlier on that the coach wanted an even spread throughout his team, without that "go to" player they've had in the past, so it seems designed.

They haven't had any success since the last coach was sacked anyway.
The decision makers down there have a lot to answer for.