Happy Days
Years ago
Big V CEO advertised up to $95k package
Start writing your applications:
http://www.sportspeople.com.au/sp/position/PositionDisplay.asp?ID=25254
Happy Days
Years ago
Start writing your applications:
http://www.sportspeople.com.au/sp/position/PositionDisplay.asp?ID=25254
And people we complaining that the high performance person for SA was only going to get 75k + car + super.
THis is 95k including car and super.
Works out to be about the same
High paid - you've got to be kidding. For a CEO position that is truly peanuts - and you know the saying about paying peanuts. Truly good generalist administrators/managers simply will not look at a job at that level.
But that's all it is, an administrators job with a fancy title, 95k total package is generous.
The two points in the detailed description:
- Provide strategic guidance to the executive and clubs, ensuring the league can continue to thrive in the Victorian sporting landscape
- Manage all league stakeholder relationships, including Basketball Victoria, Basketball Australia, clubs, teams and the passionate individuals who make up the BigV community
That's where a $95K package position is at odds with what a GOOD afmin would be able to achieve in these areas. If they truly want a strategic manager with good stakeholder management skills, then they need to pay more.
its a PACKAGE valued UP TO $95k which includes super, car allowance, phone allowance etc. Take home Salary is probably closer to $70k which is what a half decent SALES REP would get. Not a highly paid job at all.
HO
Years ago
#434189
Its a point well made.
The league has had some very good CEO's in its time, who certainly had this capacity. In the case of at least one, they did the BigV role while doing another job as well. So they were getting good people because they could combine what they were doing with BigV with income elsewhere.
However, now it is a full time role in its own right, the league cannot afford to pay the higher quality operator they need - or at least that is my view of their operational dilemma.
At this money perhaps they can hope for a "breakout" type operator - someone with a lot of good skills but still young and not yet earning good money elsewhere.
Having said this, it is not far outside the state CEO type range that someone else pointed out to us on sportspeople. This is the market maybe? If Knox and Dandenong jobs are worth the 130-140 that I have previously suggested, maybe this is right in the slot.
Anon
Years ago
There really isn't a lot of money in basketball! I'm not a CEO and I get far more money than that!
people think money grows on trees...
basketball is a minor sport with relatively high costs and small revenue streams... why would people be on 200k to run leagues, clubs etc. ridiculous!
And that's why we should all lower our expectation of bball senior management. People expect strategic and marketing miracles from people who aren't made or paid to do that.
bethdavis10
Years ago
Lower expectations? Absolutely not. Find people who are passionate about the sport, with the right credentials, and the ability and enthusiasm to go above and beyond. People like that DO exist - there are many within local associations and clubs that are under paid, over worked, but do a heck of a job for the love of the sport and the people in it. Professional development is ongoing thing - I agree with HO in that this is the perfect opportunity for a young breakout person to step up and take on the challenge and come with fresh ideas, perspective and be willing to work hard for what some may consider peanuts!
the COE role at Big V is not a decision makers role. You cant do much without the delegates agreeing to it. It should not be advertised as a CEO in the forst place. Good people will get frustrated by the lack of support from most clubs and the fact that its way to hands on.
i agree with beth davis if you find the right people you are laughing, don't give it to some blugger with a degree that things it will be easy to sit and do nothing...
Yep, they exist. But passion and love of the sport only go so far. A young "breakout" person will likely then take the experience of being successful, and move on to a higher paid role. So then you need to find yet another - very hit and miss.
true. but id rather have someone passionate and ambitious for 2 years... rather than a lazy slob for 10 years.
bethdavis10
Years ago
Not necessarily. If they love the job and the people that they work with/for, they could stick around for some years. Money isn't the driving force behind everything - job satisfaction has a lot to do with it!
I wouldn't suggest it's an either/or. 2 years of passionate ambition is great, as long as you can follow it up with another 2 years passion and ambition from the next one - hard to recruit and get right that often I'd suggest.
As anon #434241 said, don't pitch it as a CEO decision makers role, and get a good solid admin/operational person in the role (which the $95K package comes closer to finding). The only thing is you have to stop expecting so much strategy and growth in that situation.
To bethdavis10 - good CEO types are ambitious by nature, it's part of what makes them good at those roles. Passionate does not equal competent or capable.
bethdavis10
Years ago
Of course passion doesn't equal competency, but that's why I said, "Find people who are passionate about the sport, with the right credentials, and the ability and enthusiasm to go above and beyond."
Ambition can mean many things to many people - who's to say that someone can't have an ambition to be the best damn CEO the Big V has ever seen! :)
HO
Years ago
#434231
Can you give some examples of initiatives that the CEO has brought to the delegates and been knocked down? Or conversely, Delegate decision making over which the administration had no influence?
If you are the same anon you seem to have had a few cracks at this; I am interested if you can prove it.
Any CEO reporting to a Board or member based organisation can find themselves in conflict with their Board or even their membership, but a good CEO also works through their membership to get strategy on the table and delivered. No CEO wins every battle.
$95K is peanuts for any senior management position. As #434194 rightly says, a half decent sales rep job would pay similar. It's all well & good to say it's about finding people with a passion for the sport for whom money isn't so important but people still need to pay mortgages, feed families, etc so if you want quality people in these roles then you have to allow them to earn a decent living.
Look at the poor standard of administration in the sport around the country. A lot of administrators probably couldn't land a job in any other field but are paid good money to work in basketball. Surely it's worth paying a little extra to get somebody with genuine ability into this type of role.
95k package is 75k salary + super + car allowance.
Its enough to attract someone with enough competency to for-fill the role, the title is misleading, its largely a figure head and an administrative role.
Not a lot of money at all for the responsibility I would have thought.
As people have already said it's a basic good salemans salary.
One excellent salesman I know earns $150k yearly and over numerous years. Little incentive for them to go backwards I would have thought no matter how passionate they may be about basketball.
Nobody would step back into this role, they would step up into it.
A sales exec on $150K a year would be bringing in 3-4 $Mill of sales income a year minimum unassisted.
What's BigV's annual income?
good point anon... its certainly not 4 million I would say
they would have a modest profit each season given they spend bugger all on real marketing. Its pretty easy to work out thier income by just adding up the team fees. The biggest overhead will be wages which going on the advert you have a CEO @ $90 plus 4 minions @ less than or abouk each $50k each.
Sorry to say but by industry standards BigV is a just a small business. 4 staff and a modest turnover simply doesn't justify high end executive staff or salaries, no different to GM's of bigger clubs, they're not 20 mill businesses.
HO
Years ago
Its smaller than a small business - what do they call them now? mini business or something?
You cannot compare the job to a sales role from a salary point of view. Some sales people have large volume sales jobs in low margin industries that earn less than 100k with incentives. Some fund managers at finance companies can earn more than their CEO.
Some high school principals earn more than this job and run budgets more like 4-6m. It is pretty useless comparing to other industries. You have to ask whether, within sport, this is the right salary for the role.
It is a tiny business, but it has a profile that far outreaches other basketball businesses. It needs good strategic management. But its not just an administrators position - it needs good decision making, and good strategy.
However, the overall theme of this thread is correct - sport underpays, and that affects the ability to get quality people.
<5 staff is a micro business, < 15 staff is small business.
BigV is on that border of micro to small, kind of puts things into perspective.
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