Probably Deleon

Probably Deleon. He offers an outside shot which will help the big fellas and the slashers like Creek, can get in the paint pretty much when he wants with his dribbling ability and would come a lot cheaper than Ervin which will be handy for the Sixers given they need an import at SF with the departure of Weigh.

Deleon provided he can play in a controlled manner is just a better fit for a number of reasons I think.

Either would be good IMO but if we get Ervin, then we are looking more more and more like the 2011-2012 blaze. Deleon, Petrie, Gibson, Cadee, Joey Wright.

Spoke to Adris today, he said he hasn't been contacted by anyone from the 36ers. Spoken to Joey Wright but said it wasn't about coming to Adelaide.

find it funny how quickly people forget Diamon Simpson, especially when they say "best import for a while" simpson was THE best import we have had since Hodge mark 1... and Farley before him and then Mee and Brooks...

I would be happy with either.

Ervin actually wasn't a bad shooter from range last year. He's one of the best free throw shooters in the league, and was one of the Crocs' best three point shooters at 33%. For the NBL that's pretty good. On top of that he is near automatic from mid range.

Him not being able to shoot is just a myth perpetuated from his days with the Hawks. He's obviously worked on it to the point where it's no longer a weakness.

Ervin's asking price is probably 1.5x that of Deleon's though, so it's a big call to make.

Just FYI, Ervin shot at 30.4% with the Crocs, for 4th best on the team, and 40th in the league.

Deleon shot 32.9% for 33rd in the league, and 8th on the Hawks (wow).

Neither.

Ervin by a whisker,both are good players ,Ervin has won MVP and Deleon is a bit cocky at times.get Ervin and a cheap import of Edwards or Hudson to come off the bench to provide that inside spark ,Both players played well against Adelaide last year,but I like to see a fresh face to bring back the crowd,a 3 man who can run and stun .

I called it months ago, it's Ervin. He told me he's tried to get to Adelaide the past 2 seasons, besides I think either will do. All the 6ers need apart from defence is a penetrator that can make opposing defences collapse leaving wide open 10 foot shots to 3's or drive and dish to Dj, Stench, Petrie for the jam. We may not win the title because of defence but let's face it 10 years of deplorable home games I'm hanging for some high octane offence to get the dome rocking again.

Do we need another small point guard. I guess Deeleon could play the 2. Just with Gibbo and Cadee don't think we need it. Is there any just pure 2 shooters out there that we don't know. Euro or just out of college?

Personal I'd prefer to spend the import spot on a 2 who can make open shots and create their own.

But to answer the question id take Deeleon at this stage if we had to choose

Either would be good but the guys around them need to understand that they need to keep the lanes clear. When John Gilchrist ran the show big Luke hardly ever blocked his man out of the lane. Luke also didn't understand that John was also looking for the easy hand off. I sat on the base line and it would give me the shits every time

Right except Gilchrist and Schensch were not on the same team

Schensher was with Perth that year!

Very amusing...

Gilchrist was a good player but become his own and at times found open man and utilise his scoring .Agree with annoymous about deleon.Ervin is what we need and a cheap 3 man

Take Ervin and cheap 3 man

Deleon was benched later in the season because he was running on fumes not because Gordie was frustrated with him. Adris carried a calf, hand and abdominal injury most of the season. He refused to take any games off which is why after the great start he slumped after the loss in Cairns. That was the game when he injured his hand & leg.

And if you're getting Ervin, you won't have enough cash left over for another import. So it will either be just Ervin, or Deleon/Henry/Cheap PG + SF.

I grabbed the stats straight from the Crocs NBL website so if they're wrong don't blame me, blame the shitty NBL website and the fact that the stats are apparently entered in separately in all sections of the site rather than all updated from a central source.

33 makes from 100 attempts for 33%. In the league wide stats section though it seems he's at 38 from 125 for 30.4%. So you're right there.

Considering the fifth best shooter in the league (Stephen Weigh) was averaging a very mediocre 38% last seasons, 30% isn't that bad.

The average 3p% last season was a dreaful 25.8% in the NBL. Absolutely terrible. Even at 30% Ervin is ahead of the mark, especially when it's his last resort on offense.

The NBL as a wole was shooting the ball from the field, deep, and free throw line at a terrible rate last season.

Average FG% = 39.8

Average 3P% = 25.8

And most worrying, because the NBL refereeing style of giving defenders more leeway has nothing to do with it:

FT% = 68%

Absolutely woeful numbers across the board and it probably warrants separate discussion in its own thread.

For the record, no single NBA team shoots that badly from the free throw line. Not even the worst free throw shooting team in the NBA (the lakers who shot 69.2%) shoot as badly as the NBL league wide average. Astounding.

It's an epidemic.

Remember when the NBL was filled with automatic shooters? What happened?

Deleon has had some great games at the arena the past two years but I'm sure it has a lot more to do with the shitty defense here rather than the stadium.

If the difference in price is really that big, then I'd definitely take Deleon + average SF import over Ervin. Either way, I'd much rather an import who already has experience this league rather than bringing in a new import as the experienced import will already have some knowledge of the opponents and chemistry would be a lot better at the beginning.

Also, has Worthington signed anywhere yet? Or is he close to signing? I would've thought he would have been snapped up quickly in free agency but is he planning another year overseas?

Mick, the average in the NBL last season was 33% (although, over 34% at venues other than Perth Arena which is what the league ave was the two years before that).

Weigh wasnt 5th at 38%, that list is for players who took more than 100 attempts and there were only 18 of those. Ervin actually ranked 40th in the league.

The real top 10, if you use a more realistic two 3pfga per game as qualification is:

Grabau 53
Coenraad 52
Forman 48
Martin 44
Saville 43
Corletto 41
Loughton 41
Crawford 40
Scott 40
Steindl 39

Mick, again, your numbers are wrong, not sure where youre getting them from. The average FT% was 72. Here's a link to a spreadsheet for you with end of season team stats:

http://www.basketball.net.au/fileadmin/user_upload/NBL_Stats/fiba_team_stats_ptrt_o.pdf

Getting them straight from the NBL stats section on the official website which links to:

http://www.sportingpulse.com/comp_info.cgi?client=0-189-0-232872-0&a=STATS&sgroup=scoring&sgstat=3P%

Getting them straight from the NBL stats section on the official website which links to:

http://www.sportingpulse.com/comp_info.cgi?client=0-189-0-232872-0&a=STATS&sgroup=scoring&sgstat=3P%

Im talking about the team stats, use the link I posted above it has all the major stats on one spreadsheet. It was put out each week (most weeks?) last season by the NBL in their Fast Facts article.

Yeah but an average taken from the stats of each individual player or from each team as a whole should be the same. The maths is no different.

Why would the stats be so different from two sources?

The way the NBL collates stats is f'd.

Oooh so you're saying you are using the average team 3P% not using the league wide team % to figure out an NBL player average?

No, those figures are the total number of shots taken in the season by all players. Have a look at the spreadsheet.

Yeah but how is it any different? The numbers should be the same.

Ervin tweets the weirdest shit. Half of it doesn't even make sense. I don't want to call him dumb but why does he put "BK's own" after most tweets?

He isn't the sharpest pencil in the drawer, Ingles...

Mick, you must have hit some wrong buttons on your calculator!

Just copied the offensive data for every player straight into excel, filtered out the players without an attempt and then spat the averages out from there.

Either the numbers are wrong with your data from basketball.net.au or the data I used from the NBL stats section is wrong (ie. sportingpulse).

The calcs are spot on.

Well I have the spreadsheet from every week and there are no inconsistencies, and early in the season I was checking to make sure theyre ok.

We need a big guard, not an undersized guy. Like either of these guys otherwise.

Deleon is a ball magnet but on plays when the TV is on, he also hogs a lot of it when others are truly open for shots.