Sounds messy, cant they opperate as a seperate entity while not actually de-merging until the TV deal has expired?

OR

I would think channel 10 would jump at the opportunity to dump the NBL after the shite house performance they have put in over the last couple of seasons, obviously not interested in having it on their schedule.

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It may not be that simple. The contract may specify that BA cannot transfer it. It may require that BA operate the contract.

Channel 10 will cut their ties of they can as they pour major $ into cricket.

Perhaps ABC double header with WNBL.

Will NBL.tv be available next season no matter the tv rights deal?

Why not just make BA a shareholder for the first two years?

standard negotiating tactic in sports rights deals when a 'novation' such as this occurs. 10 will block it unless they can get what they want (eg cheaper deal, more access, more control).

Obviously the clubs have been chatting to Ten, if they cant get the same deal or a new deal they like (or a better deal from another network) then they need to structure the de-merger in a way that the contract continues as is.

If that means it is two years before they are completely 'de-merged' then so be it.

Anyone know why ten actually agreed to air NBL games in the first place? I can't think of anything else other than charity - but why would a major network do something out of charity?

They launched ONE as a sports channel and needed local content. There plan was to obviously to build their NBL coverage over five years as popularity increased.

Unfortunately they produced a poor product and didnt promote it well after an initial successful campaign, and the NBL did very little if anything to promote the TV coverage.

Then, when new ownership took over and got rid of the sports focus they just saw the NBL as something that achieved mediocre ratings. Luckily they couldnt get out of the deal so the NBL has kept a presence.

^so, NBL could easily loose their t.v coverage soon?
im going to have nbl.tv anyway, but if nbl looses free to air coverage, it would be very hard to get it more popular right?
what about if it had 1-2 games a week on ten, and the rest on Fox?

Hopefully one day the NBL will be popular.

I would think Ten are just using the situation to further de-merge themselves from the NBL deal. Make it harder for the two parties to do what they want to do, and thus potentially weaken both.

Only 33,000 people watched the grand final game 2 on tv last season, and one game only got 13,000 watching.
More nbl on t.v ratings here if anyone is interested in reading.
http://www.michaeldifabrizio.com/nbl-tv-ratings/

but one game did get 80,000

Wow, who would have guessed that Ten would intentionally weaken the NBL in order to back out of a contract? I mean, there is only one other precedent I can think of where something similar happened....

just a thought, is there any chance nbl could get a deal with 7'S 7mate OR 7two or 9'S gem or go? even one game a week, and the rest on fox?
prime 7 and NBN are the biggest networks, and gem/go/7mate/7two are saller channels of them, if the nbl got a deal with one of the smaller channels, in one of the bigger networks, they would get alot better promotion wouldent they?
Prime does a great job at promoting new shows on there channels, so if one game of nbl was on 7two for example, prime could promote it on their main Prime7 channel, and get it could alot bigger right?

Ten did vitually nothing to promote NBL

'A sport that disappeared by going off free to air tv'
Back then, 10% of homes had fox, now 50%, approximately
I got the impression ten would like to get outta the contract

If FOX had the rights, they would do alot better at promoting it wouldent they? as i said, i havent even seen Ten advertise it. hopefully fox will do a great job at promotion.

i dont have foxtel, but i am going to get NBL.tv and just connect my pc to my TV anyway.

If FOX had the rights, they would do alot better at promoting it wouldent they? as i said, i havent even seen Ten advertise it. hopefully fox will do a great job at promotion.

i dont have foxtel, but i am going to get NBL.tv and just connect my pc to my TV anyway.

Sorry about posting that twice. and sorry about posting on this forum 100 times in the last 20 minutes hahah

"Back then, 10% of homes had fox, now 50%, approximately"

About 50% of the statistics in that sentence are made up.

Around 30% of households subscribe to a pay tv service, as of December last year.

As a comparative of FTA and Fox, last season's national average was not far below the highest ever rating game on Fox.

On the other hand, while I dont think they will, Fox are prob the only channel that might offer a decent amount of $$ for the league.

Personally, I think the owners need to do what's necessary to keep the current deal, build over the next two years including Brisbane and a second Melbourne team and hit their next negotiation from more of a position of strength ie six capital city teams rather than four and ratings that continue to grow over the next two years.

One time ago I heard the Communications Minister talking on radio about 40% of households subscribing
Well, we learned. If it's only 30% it's not ideal.

Fox subscriptions apparently not increasing all that much

Interesting and thanks.
So, it goes to 1.68M homes.
Not as many as watch 'the voice' on ch9 mondays
for example.

If Ten isn't interested in continuing, why would it be bothering to meet with the new NBL people?

Does anyone else think my idea could work?
get CH 7 or CH 9 to buy the rights to the nbl, at a resonable price at the moment and put it on one of their smaller channels ( 7mate, 7two, GO!, gem) and then promote the hell out of it, like they do with all there shows. prime and 9 are always saying on big shows " head over to 7 mate to see the coverage" and ect.
they could easily make a profit if the were smart about it right?

Ten has advertised the NBL. I will like to see the deal that allows Ten and One to broadcast all games Live. They will have money left over from the CA rights. Or maybe have 1 Friday Night Game, 2 Saturday Games, 1 Sunday Game and at times Monday Games. But the only things that will ruin it is Hopman Cup, Ironman and CA

Ten wants to get all sport onto fox (look at the shareholders of both) other then major sports like their motorsport and if they do get cricket which is likely or Australian open tennis. fox is very profitable and more good quality sport they get on there the more subscribers etc. Ten has 1 focus moving forward and that's ratings. something they have sucked at for at least 3 years and NBL doesn't rate at all

If Ten had their way they'd never show any basketball ever again

I don't think I am dreaming but it can well and truly happen but the NBL games won't happen but it should increase up to 5 games per week

Anon, im not sure if it will as contracts are already in place etc, but I do know the current board well some board members only want a major sport with ratings on Ten all other sports like netball, basketball etc they want on fox. Yes one was launched as a sports channel but when new management came into town who already owned a pay TV sports channels then why would they want one as a sports channel when they can direct people to pay subscriptions to their pay TV sports channels.

Either way I don't mind as a Ten Shareholder I want the board to make sound financial decisions for Ten so we can make some money and I can flog my shares off when they hit $1, I might be waiting a while for that one.

Sitiveni, enlightening us all again. Is there anything you don't have an "interest" in?

Anon 10 shares have gone from over $4 in 2008 I think to 26cents which is where I have bought them at. ive paid 26.5cents and 29cents for my shares. I have a sell price, see most people like you would buy shares at a high price and sell while ur running scared as they fall, I buy them when they fall. ive sold all my bank shares now and made a killing not to mention the dividends paid, only mum's and dad's are buying bank shares now. way over valued. But this shows the difference in your financial IQ and mine.

Anon you sounds just like every mum and dad investor.

HO your sounding a bit jealous there buddy!

I am jealous Sitiveni, I admit it.

I have always wanted to KNOW one thing one minute and then KNOW the opposite the next, to be a certainty to be elected in my seat at the next federal election and to be Hoops answer to Warren Buffett. I've wanted Pauline Hanson as my aunt, and Clive Palmer as my best friend and of course, I have wanted to have an interest in every sports organisation north of Hobart, either as a sponsor or shareholder or future shareholder. And naive as it may be, I've wanted to not be seen through for all my bullshit, no matter how many times I have been called out.

Thats what I have always wanted. Who can blame me for being jealous.

HO hahahaha you are jealous. hahahahahaha oh mate do you need me to send you a check to pay your rent. I just love deadshits like you. So I have been called out, Full of shit am I. Hahahaha I feel sorry for you HO, I can feel that Leftie-looserness oozing out of you. Let me guess you either live in inner/western Melbourne, anywhere in SA or Western Sydney, or perhaps in logan or Ipswich in Qld. All the biggest Shit Holes on earth where people with no money and no financial IQ live.

Yes I am Arrogant, Why? because I can and I do what I want when I want.

Ill give you all a little clue who I am, the same sitiveni is a clue, I worked as a journo for news limited in the late 90's early 2000's. I have been on a lot of TV shows talking money and finance from 2005 up until now and I am a candidate for the next election.

Shouldn't be too hard now. Work out Sitiveni and you've got me

You misunderstand. I don't care who you are. I really genuinely don't care. I am just jealous of you, for aforementioned reasons. Its better not knowing who you are, just makes it all the more mysterious to be jealous of someone who's identity is shrouded in such mystery.

Lovely way btw to endear yourselves to the host of this forum and the many posters who live in SA.

PS: And I like the way you write, so many of your posts betray your exceptional journalism background.

Internet chest beating! Yes!

sitiveni, your writing is structurally too far off to pass as that of a professional journalist. This coming from someone who studied journalism and literature.

Here's a serious question regarding the sharemarket. Because I actually know a thing or two myself.

What is the first thing investors look for when buying stock?

This little criterion has become a trend in the last 12-18 months. This is the make or break thing that investors talk about. Believe me, if you were a decent investor, you would have come across it, and you'd know what I'm talking about. It applies across the board. Show me there is no difference between your financial IQ and mine.

I thought this was just a little blog thingy. ooops my punctuation and grammer oooppps and spelling is off. oh no wasn't that just a waste of time studying.

Statsheet, I don't invest like mums and dads, tell me this mate do you know what ASIC define a Sophisticated investor, if and when you do come back to me and ill tell you how to invest and make real money mate, not little change. Your all drop kicks and yes SA is a hole full of lefties.

I love all these blog sites talking to all Ya'll

No, one more post!

sitiveni, you're just a nobody who plays the same tactics as a problem gambler. You were called out for things in the past, so you're doubling the stakes until you break even, i.e. people believe you and worship you.

Further, it is not that you miss grammar and spelling (that stuff is actually ingrained in your mind, I can tell you from experience), it is structure, you halfwit. If you knew what structure was, your retort would be to that rather than ooooh spelling and oooh grammar.

Finally, you don't even know when I completed my studies, you idiot! How can you make that assessment then? Not rhetorical.

Btw, I know the rules; the aggressor always has the last word. So this is my last post, yet you are compelled to reply with more slander. What now, sit?

You both are light weights, both have no idea when it comes to investing, that's why im sure you both have JOBS.

I have a job Sitiveni. I really enjoy it. It doesn't even feel like a job. Are you saying I should stop working? I really want to make sure I am jealous of the right things and of course, mimicking your life in every way I can.

Hey cheese nuts, you think your home is an asset thats how financial intelligent you are. I wont sell network 10, I want to buy more and get onto the board drop kick so we like other board members can push our right wing agenda. its not about money but control. Learn to read and understand a balance sheet. myself and my partners actually value network 10 between 11 and 14cps, and I wouldn't be surprised if they went below 20cps and I hope they do. Not to mention the residential and commercial real estate we own in Ireland, US and here.

I do have an agenda and it will be played out, we will make this country conservative again. Perhaps my ego like uncle clive's (Not related DH's) we will bring the bullets back. Still waiting to hear how I have been called out or caught out. please someone enlighten me. Is it because you all are no hopers and sit on your old couches in your rented houses and cant comprehend someone successful, well known and well connected. You know you can get off the couch and achieve whatever you want rather then having a go at someone that has

Well Sitiveni, seeing as you asked, let me call you out AGAIN. Earlier in this thread you told us you were buying Ten so you can sell.

First up, you said:

"I want the board to make sound financial decisions for Ten so we can make some money and I can flog my shares off when they hit $1, I might be waiting a while for that one."

then you said:

"ive paid 26.5cents and 29cents for my shares. I have a sell price, .... "

and you said:

"ill tell you how to invest and make real money mate, not little change"

but NOW you say:

"I wont sell network 10, I want to buy more and get onto the board drop kick so we like other board members can push our right wing agenda. its not about money but control."

and of course, who can forget this classic discussion....

http://www.hoops.com.au/forum/31072-brisbane-bid-team/

Let us just define calling out so you understand it. Its what happens when someone makes a statement, then contradicts themselves totally, and is then publicly humiliated for it.

So he bought at 26 and 29c, yet values the share at 10 to 14c, but wants it to grow to $1? I see...

We should also apologise for not being very "financial (sic) intelligent" too. As well as jealous. I for one am jealous but at least I admit it.

I reckon we should get Natwhereyouat in on this. Let him use his powers of journalism to weed out sitiveni. Hey Nat, where you at?

You all are just the biggest bunch of losers. Absolutely if network 10 got to $1 I would sell, But it wont when its currently valued at 12 odd cps.

HO go find Michael brierley's number or email and ask him about his meetings with 4 business people at the coffee club at park rd Milton. 3 meetings were taken there with all of us and then 2 just him and I. go F..kin ask him he was CEO of the bid team and I brought $200k in, tell him that and he will know exactly what your talking about. HO u really r a deadshit. Statsheet I just gave a heap of clues who I am, try using google dip shit and Anon the campaign is running great since here in Qld Labor are only going to win maybe 1 seat and our internal party polling has my seat at close to 70 on a 2 party preferred so I would say I will have a safe seat for years to come.

The Situation who the hell are you and where did you come from, piss off mate this is only between HO, Anon, Statsheet and I, don't be a johnny come lately you don't know shit.

I can do this all day boys... keep em coming, I just wish we all could meet in person and have this out, maybe one day we will.

sit, link us to a webpage or something that lists Michael Brierley's number, or simply give it up on this thread. Although, surely giving it up publicly is too much disclosure...or are you too stupid to realise that?

If you don't supply us his number so we can enquire, then you are definitely a fake because not disclosing is the exact opposite of what you've been doing in relation to your identity. For every one of our enquiries, you have answered and supplied us with more information about yourself, so supplying us with this bloke's number should be no problem, right?

Guys, give him some time to respond before you hound him some more. He had all the women in the greater Brisbane area last night, so he's a tired boy. Derrick Rose was there too. I also heard Gina (he's on first names with a certain female mining magnate) flew to Brisbane begging to have him for the night. But of course, he just said "get in line, Gina, my balance sheet is bigger than your balance sheet". Naturally, she got back in line.

I think that the TV deal will stay with Ten in a number of increased games on One. Due to the fact they have Hopman Cup, Ironman and now CA

Hi Sitiveni. I know i am a deadshit, loser leftie etc. But maybe just for one minute we can move past the name calling and stay on topic?

you asked, and I quote:

"Still waiting to hear how I have been called out or caught out. please someone enlighten me"

that is what you said. So i did that. I exposed how one minute shares in Ten were about the money about what price you would sell out etc and then, nek minnit, it was not about the money at all, not about profit, you were not going to sell but buy more so you could get a board seat.

The earlier thread i alluded to was where we pointed out that one day you "told us so" that the Bullets were not going to be reborn but in previous threads you "told us so" that they were.

So, I could call Brierly but it is not the issue is it? The issue is not whether you had a meeting with Brierly, or bought a 200k cup of coffee.

The issue is that you say one thing and then contradict it, often quite spectacularly.

Can you please just give me two one word answers to these questions?

a) do you understand that the issue is about you contradicting yourself on this forum? (just use YES or NO)

and then....

b) do you now accept that you have been called out (just use YES or NO)

All I am trying to do is achieve what you wanted us to achieve, and I'll quote again....

"Still waiting to hear how I have been called out or caught out. please someone enlighten me"

maybe if we can move past this, intelligently, analytically and truthfully, we can move onto our (not your) collective problems.

This thread is amusing

Dear sitiveni,

Even though you are absolute bogus, you have inspired me. Truly. I have now found myself working a little harder toward both the short and long-term goals I've set myself. Maybe it's all the shit about being rich and influential.

Thus, I have decided to run as an Independent in the upcoming federal election.

Regards,
Statsheet Stuffer