Haha lizard

Then MJ gonna come out and say he's a GOAT lol

Bosh is married with kids isn't he?

this is a guy trying to save his career....as he won't get a gig next year.

Chris Broussard from ESPN looking like a grade-A douchebag with his commentary on this issue.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/espn-chris-broussard-clarifies-views-jason-collins-don-221941033.html

Obviously a lot of people disagree with Broussard but those calling for his sacking are just as ignorant.

this is a guy trying to save his career....as he won't get a gig next year.

Thats right, but just because someone's opinion differs from yours it doesnt mean that they should lose their job.

Who determines what is or isn't appropriate? He didn't discriminate against Collins - he simply stated he doesn't agree with homosexuality.

By all means, disagree with him and boycott his shows, but he is entitled to feel that way and say so (although I think the timing of it was pretty ordinary.)

I guess you could argue he didn't discriminate against Jason, but using what Broussard said on national TV, many others will now. He should definitely lose his job over it.

If Broussard is such a devout P.O.S. then he should complain about the Big 4 sports playing games on the sabbath, or the use of leather balls, or the players having tattoos, or working with women in the ESPN offices who are at that time of the month.

But he won't because as usual, he is one of those pick and choose christians (most of them are, especially in the US). F**k him and his bronze age bullshit views.

As for his "I don't agree with homosexuality" quote. WTF does that even mean? That's like me saying "I don't agree with "being black". The man is an obvious moron, he has officially "come out" as one now.

I laugh at these dipshits who think homosexuality is a "choice". Can you remember the day you made up your mind to be straight? Standing in the playground at school, looking at Jenny and Jonny, and deciding that Jenny was the way to go? Idiots!

415941, Bosh's mannerisms seem lizard-like to me. I thought of it more as a lizard joke than a gay joke. I take your point otherwise, however.

I think the issue is one of tact? If you're called for an interview, you could just say "Probably not the best time. This moment is about him, not me."

yay igota funny tag lol
Lizard

The issue here is are the players going to be the same with him now. We've all heard the thoughts from guys like Tmac. Could be interesting.

Did anyone notice Julius Hodeg's comments on Twitter? Not 100% supportive.

Broussard is entitled to his own opinion, and it gave it. I don't see a problem with that.

What is upsetting is that people naturally have less tolerance towards homosexuality. It seems to concern them more than other peoples life decisions (religion, gender preference, political views.)

You don't hear Broussard, and other people say stuff like:

"I don't agree with Mehmet Okur and his Muslim faith. I consider it sinful. Or I don't agree with Amare and his Jewish Faith, its sinful."

Broussard should just stick to talking about ESPN. When you involve religion into anything, it becomes messy.

I dont understand the need to "come out". Do what you want to do with your own life, noones ever come out saying "Im not gay!!!". Why is there a need to highlight to the world that he or anyone else is, havent we moved past the point of caring now.

"As for his "I don't agree with homosexuality" quote. WTF does that even mean? That's like me saying "I don't agree with "being black". The man is an obvious moron, he has officially "come out" as one now. "

In regards to the comment above, some people still CHOOSE to be gay (mostly women we guys are that bad). Until people stop saying they are choosing it, you will have the opinion its a choice.

has there ever been anyone in the NBL kick the door off the closet?

Kiwi journalists are close, with their constant references to the ANAL.

Broussard also said in the same quote that people having pre-marital sex are sinning... which I'm sure is the majority of the league. So he hasn't singled out Jason Collins and other gay people too much.

Of course you don't understand the "need" to come out. I'm guessing you're straight. I'm straight too, and I guess I don't understand all the ramifications of not coming out, but I can see why they do it. But my guess is that, he has probably been living a quiet secret existence all this time.

Why should anyone have to hide who they are just to appease others? Why should he have to hide from his friends and peers? The reason he is doing this so publicly is that the next Jason Collins will have the freedom and courage to say it without worrying about being judged by f**ktards like Broussard.

Of course straight people like you and me will never understand fully why the "need" to come out, because we don't have to. We are not prejudiced against for being straight, we are not called "abominations", we are not disowned by our parents for being straight. We are not looked at strangely by co-workers for being straight. We are not called names and have other abuse hurled at us for holding our partners hands in Rundle Mall. Pretty simple why we wouldn't understand the "need".


Oh, and this "choosing" to be gay business is utter bull. Those women you are talking about, are usually experimenting, bisexual, or chances are were gay and hiding it to "fit in" in the first place. This does not qualify as a choice. If your other half cheated on you so badly that you were disgusted by women, would you say "I know, I'll try men!"? My guess is no, you wouldn't, as you are not gay and do not have that attraction in the first place.

People in this forum and in this country seem to manipulate the word "tolerance" to meaning "you must accept my opinion or you are a bigot, hater or discriminatory or even old-fashioned".

Tolerance is required by all on both sides of the debate. I have very strict religious views, some similar to Broussards, some different, some even more extreme.

Does that mean that I am a hate filled bigot? or homophobic, even though I have worked for successfully, and have family members and friends who are gay? I dont agree with alcohol but it doesnt mean I hate people who drink. That is just ridiculous to called me a bigot because I choose to believe something you don't.

We are all entitled to our opinion and must be respected. People can make their choices and I respect them, but I don't have to agree or support them. I have my right to reject or refrain as I choose fit.

Everyone has that choice. Including gays, fornicators and whatever other sin each of us may have. Come out, stay in, that's everyone's choice but don't expect everyone to support you or applaud you, but don't take any disrespect either.

Broussard can have his opinion and so can you... But hating is a refection of your ignorance. Something apparent on both sides of the debate.....

well said kdb
I have a christian faith also and it seems that people can slander those of faith all they like

It's easy though, you love the person (Collins) but hate the act (all that which is against God)

Sexuality is a choice, just like religions, politics and everything else in the world. We all choose what we do and how we do it.

Him coming out shouldn't even be big news. People should hear about it and be able to continue on in life normally. When a woman comes out as being gay we don't give it a second glance, so why do we for men? Is it because being a lesbian is considered a trendy cool thing to do?

Oh and comments about how Jason has committed a sin. Sexuality isn't a sin, and if there is a heaven he can do what he likes as long as he believes in god (that's the only way you get into heaven, belief and not actions).

No, its because its hot (if the right girls are lezzing out)

^ Bingo! We have a winner, well said.

It's funny how Kobe is congratulating him on coming when Kobe was the guy who was shouting out homophobic slurs to a referee In front of MILLIONS just last year. The irony

hmmm KDB to say all opinions need to be respected is pretty absurd.

If your opinion is that black people should be enslaved then ofcourse I wouldnt respect you or your opinion. The same goes if you believe that gay people don't deserve equal rights... It doesn't make sense to respect that opinion.

PS: Ricey, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone else that believes being gay is a choice.

I really want to post something here.........Damn, just can't do it.........Bugger me.........Nope, just can't seem to.......I want to, but, nah!!!

No, Ingles13, that isn't irony. That would be hypocrisy if anything, but as Kobe has previously said, he learned from his mistake and now educates others.

It's funny how Kobe is congratulating him on coming when Kobe was the guy who was shouting out homophobic slurs to a referee In front of MILLIONS just last year. The irony

I don't think calling a friend a "fag" or referring to something as "gay" is an insult as such these days, just like using the C bomb as a nice way to say hi to a friend. Know plenty of gay guys who will say something is gay or call each other fag, just like a straight guy. Then again, there are people who both straight and gay take huge offence to it.

And I agree who you are attracted to isn't something you can particularly choose, but acting on it is a choice. Having said that, there are churches in America that change people's sexuality, so who really knows these days.

"Having said that, there are churches in America that change people's sexuality, so who really knows these days."

No, they shame people back in to the closet.

"Having said that, there are churches in America that change people's sexuality, so who really knows these days."

These churches are scammers, no one has been "converted".

http://starcasm.net/archives/215711

Lol Bear. Does it really matter if he's gay? He can ball right?...so why do some get so strung out over this news? The sad thing is you know other players on the court will be trash talking him big time now. I'm sure the Nba has hefty fines for such behaviour though??

they won't trash talk him for being gay, they all know the mics and cameras will all be on him come the new season to see what is said/happens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LYbUnbR3Ss

Hahahahahhahahahahahaha

No I'm too mature to use gay/fag/gaycunt or whatever as a descriptor to anybody as that is just plain stupid. I prefer to use f***wit, dumbass or d***head or something like that. Using a homophobis slur to describe someone is incredibly childish and immature

I eagerly await hearing Tim Hardaway's opinion

@MIM/Anon - To say that opinions need to earn respect is hypocritical because why should gay peoples opinions be any more respected than mine? Have they earned it more than me have they?? Everyone has the right to any opinion they like.... Its how you act that needs to earn respect.

Every opinion has the right to be respected. I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman and is central to a stable family unit that supports the development of children. To say that this opinion is bigoted is when our entire society is framed upon such a principle is bigoted itself.

I don't hate gay people, or hate the acts per se. If coming out makes Jason feel better then good on him, but he can't expect that everyone will agree with him, but that they accept him for who he is, and in return, he accepts others who disagree with him and mutual respect is given from both parties.

Since people are throwing their weight around, to say that being gay is morally or socially ok because its natural is a poor argument. Pedophiles are naturally aroused by children and that is definitely not nor will it ever be acceptable! I am naturally attracted to other women but it is not ok to cheat on my wife.

Mutual acceptable of contrary views needs to be considered. If a gay player on a team comes out, they deserve to be respected but i won't lie I probably wouldn't share a shower or dress naked as it would make me feel uncomfortable.

Why is that view considered homophobic when I wouldn't get undressed in front of heterosexual women because they are attracted to men not the same thing??

Why can't both sides of the debate learn to respect each others views and personal space?

For starters, it's not Jason Collins' opinion. It's who HE IS!! It's not an opinion.

Secondly, you can not be a pedophile when you are 5 years old, but I had friend in primary school who was gay, before I (and I'm guessing, even he) even knew what that was. We were only 5 but it was obvious by the way he interacted with girls and boys. Sure enough, by early HS, he had come out to us, but I knew ever since I met him.

Pedophilia is not a "natural attraction", it is a lack of mental development. To compare it to homosexuality is a typical low-brow, uneducated response.

The marriage argument is bullshit too. If my widowed Grandma wants to re-marry, I'm gonna say "No Grandma!! You are not allowed to marry, it's only for the development of children, not for your personal happiness!! Don't be so f**king selfish!!!".

Or if my infertile brother and his GF want to get married, I have to say "NO! You selfish bastards, if you can't produce offspring, you cannot be married and be happy!!".

You wouldn't share a shower with him because you think he may look at you? You conceited P.O.S.! If he does want to admire your body quietly, be flattered FFS. If you look after yourself, and are at the beach looking good, I'm sure you'd appreciate the ladies looking at ya. Ahhh, but he's male.....but it's not homophobic, nooooo, not at all.

"I don't hate gay people, or hate the acts per se. If coming out makes Jason feel better then good on him, but he can't expect that everyone will agree with him, but that they accept him for who he is, and in return, he accepts others who disagree with him and mutual respect is given from both parties."

Of course not everyone will "agree" with him, but that is their problem, not his. What does this "agree/disagree" thing even mean anyway? If my eye color is blue, can you disagree with me? No you f**ktard, you can't. YOU have the problem, YOU deal with it, and YOU STFU! Jesus!!!

@Speed44 - Wow! your vitriolic response astounds me. For someone who is supporting tolerance, you sure don't allow it for opinions not of your own.

To be clear your arguments are emotional and not logical.

1. My quote was marriage is "central" to a family unit not the sole purpose. (by the way personal happiness - your argument is the the definition of selfishness eg. personal , not thinking about others). I didn't say only those who can or choose to have children only should get married, nor do I support such statements. You have misrepresented me. I accept your apology in advance.

2. As someone who is adopted and knowing family and friends who are, let me be clear.... Identity and knowing where you are from affects ALL children away from their home. To say that marriage and family doesn't affect others and the definition of life and heritage is ignorant from those without experience... Something I have.

3. At 5 my friend, your brain and body have not developed to a point where you can understand sexuality, you cannot know your gay or a pedophile so your argument supports me. To say that pedophilia is mental and sexuality isn't is confusing. Man, woman, child - how do you tell the difference between what is mental and what isn't? Are you a psychologist, doctor, professor or an expert? Then how does anyone know that your assessment is correct? P.S your argument looks pretty stupid when Jason Collins is gay at 34 but was heterosexual for 30 years! In a long term relationship for 8 years and was even engaged.... No one forced him to get engaged or not date a woman. Either he lied to the woman he professed to love for 8 long years or he has chosen to be gay.

4. And lastly, I am not conceited... I was merely pointed out that I wouldn't feel comfortable. I accept that to be my decision not anyone elses. Thought I would be honest. Trolls like you don't like honesty??

@Speed44 - before you rant on while you misquote and misrepresent me and pull out more hatred and mockery of my belief/opinion, think about whether you are showing the same tolerance to both sides of the argument.

This countries discriminates base on race, origin, gender and age is so many ways, just go ask the people who are in detention camps, aboriginals, immigrants... Trust me discrimination is everywhere.

Your name calling and bullying tactics to me might promote the facade that you are in the right but you are actually displaying the very behavior gay people are trying to stop in promoting acceptance and tolerance.

No one forced him to get engaged or not date a woman.

Either he lied to the woman he professed to love for 8 long years or he has chosen to be gay.

To say that pedophilia is mental and sexuality isn't is confusing.

#1. An apology? Ha. People do marry to be happy, not to procreate. Procreation is a choice a couple make. So anyone, as long as they love each other, should be able to be married and not be dictated to by some bronze age zealots. Why marriage equality is even an issue in 2013 is astounding to me. You are on the wrong side of history, if you believe otherwise.

#2. I don't believe I ever mentioned children, or being away from their homes. Whatever.

#3. That's sort of what I said: "I had friend in primary school who was gay, before I (and I'm guessing, even he) even knew what that was.". Yes, he probably didn't know he was gay, but it was obvious to a lot of us, looking back, that he was already at 5. I don't know about you, but at 5 and 6 I was already mad about a girl in my class, and had a super crush on my Grade 1 teacher. Sure, we don't understand sexuality at that age, but we know what we're attracted to.

If you read Jason's article, he knew he was gay from a young age. He admitted to living a lie to fit in. He was never hetero for 30 years. Way to look it up chief. Elton John got married too, and Freddie Mercury lived with a woman for years. They must've been straight too, yeah?

Also, I never said that sexuality isn't mental. Who's misconstruing now? I said that pedophilia is a lack of mental development.

#4. The issue is why you wouldn't feel comfortable.

I care not for your sky fairy. I don't care if you follow the bible. I'm just sick of the religious spouting their beliefs on the rest of us. If you want to be religious, great! But stay out of women's uterus', people's bedrooms, politics, and public schools. In fact, I believe freedom of religion to be a right that should not be interfered with by anyone. And my no religion is part of that freedom.

Atheists/agnostics aren't the ones trying to stop abortion on religious grounds, or the day after pill, or trying to get creationism taught in schools, that is you guys trying to force yourselves on us. Sometimes, we have to fight back. Sick of the religious screaming "prejudice", must hurt to have some of the treatment that the churches have been dishing out for centuries, come back at them. Well too bad.

If Collins' life disgusts you so much, don't comment, stay out of it, and don't tell us what you believe about it. We know that the bible contains one little quote about man laying with man, it has many other quotes too of which I find most christians do not live by. Funny how they hang on that one though.

@Speed44 - I am so sorry you are a victim of religious zealots. I really feel sorry that you have to "fight back" against such forces which cause you to feel trapped in a prison of moral influence.

Lets turn your words back at you:

I care not for never existing when I die. I don't care if you don't follow the bible. I'm just sick of the anti-religious and spouting their beliefs on the rest of us Christian. If you want to be not religious, great! But stay out of unborn children's lives (when they move, breathe and have heartbeats), people's homes when they teach that we should strive to create loving family relationships that support procreation, my god given right to have an opinion on politics, and that public schools and what they teach include my children. In fact, I believe freedom of religion to be a right that should not be interfered with by anyone (including you so stay away from what i teach my children and the right I have to voice my opinion to what is taught to them). And my religion is part of that freedom to have a say in political matters just as your right is as a citizen of this country. So do not discriminate against my rights just because I am a minority, your bullying is the same behaviour that gay people are trying to stop.


You said:
Atheists/agnostics aren't the ones trying to stop abortion on religious grounds (not religious, on the definition that a baby has a brain and heartbeat before 24 weeks and living beings can be born at that age and therefore should constitute a living being), or the day after pill (my religion is not against that), or trying to get creationism taught in schools ( why the hell not, remember its called the "theory" of evolution, why can't other "theories" be included in the debate), that is you guys trying to force yourselves on us. Sometimes, we have to fight back. (Seriously??? I thought this is about acceptance and inclusion)

Sick of the religious screaming "prejudice", must hurt to have some of the treatment that the churches have been dishing out for centuries, come back at them. Well too bad. - This is the problem, you don't care for tolerance, you want revenge. Speed44 - do you have children, why don't steal yours and give them back to the Aborigines.... Doesn't make it right.

You see, bullies like you are willing to have a crack at Christians for their beliefs, but haven't heard one of you talk about Islam faith. I dare you to start saying that Allah is a sky fairy while walking down Parramatta.

You bullies will pick on the Christians because we are easy targets and we don't fight back.

I go back to my original point. I have the democratic right to choose my religion, my view on politics and education just like everyone else.

You are allowed yours and I am allowed my without the fear of being harassed, mocked or bullied by trolls like you.

^ cliff notes?

^ Does not know what a scientific theory actually means.

I will and have happily questioned islam too, no skin off my nose. Why should I fear questioning other mostly rational beings?

If you want your child taught about religion, you have options. First and foremost, do it at home if you really must indoctrinate them. If you couldn't be bothered doing that, send them to the many religious schools that exist, and happily teach creationism. I and many other people do not want religion taught in public schools, if it is, it must be all faiths on a study level, not as truths. Oh, and evolution vs creationism is NOT a debate. Hasn't been for a long time.

Yes, you can have a view of politics from a religious standpoint. But an elected official, who represents an area with many different beliefs, cannot involve his religion on his constituents. After all, it is "for the people, by the people". That is what I meant by religion in politics.

The people's homes thing? Fine, how about you live your family life by those "rules" and leave everyone else alone? Sound fair? Good! Marriage equality it is then.

I am not about revenge, I am about people finally being able to have a voice if they are not religious compared to the past where they were ostracized, and in some places still, being killed for it. Get used to it, we are growing in number, the last census proved it. Though you are still FAR from being a minority, LOL.

And please don't tell me that "moral influence" came from god or the bible. Elephant herds have morals too, and they are not reading the bible, or following the commandments. Don't start with that.

I'm done Broussard, stay out of Collins' life. Oh, and really learn what a scientific theory actually is. I don't think it means what you think it does. Gravity is just a theory too, huh? Why not jump off your roof and find out?

So he came out as a Christian?

I'm confused..

Yeah he did, but the christians say he can't be, as he is gay. God creates gays, hates them.

Get a room!

cliffs for last 10+ posts?

Haha, I don't like using it, but the comment I was referring to, literally made me laugh out loud. Sorry, won't do it again.

What can I say? I'm a trendsetter.

cliffs:
kdb: god is real, dislikes gays
speed44: no he isn't, doesn't

lebrons left handed

The only point I argued kdb is your belief that all opinions should be respected.To have a blanket rule like that is silly. What if someones opinion was that all people under 6 foot tall should be killed?

I dont respect your view that gay people are lesser beings who don't deserve equal rights. There is no reason to respect that.

Finally a question to you. What difference does it make to YOU whether gay people get married? It affects your life in zero ways. It's not like they're asking to fuck you up the ass.

OMG... Is this thread still cooking? Um.......nope, still can't muster up the effort.......lebron is a leftie??!!........naaah, just can't do it to myself!

If it was about hoops, I would... This whole topic has gone too far already, in directions that have nothing to do with hoops!

People getting too serious about things like religion and sexuality, I mean really!!!

Nuh, I'm out of this one, too far from what we should be discussing here on these forums IMO...

Why? No harm in discussing everyday topics in an online environment.

Lol religion

It's not so much the diversion into religeon and sexuality as it is the way people are cursing each other and getting worked up into a frenzy about it all.

Not me being precious folks, I care little about religion because it is just another one of those man made discoveries we use as a tool to suit ourselves.

As for the Gay thing, well that's just a chemical imbalance in the brain, X & Y chromosomes fighting each other and not quite getting it right!

Whatch'ya gonna' do... Rudy Gay can relax a bit more now!

Theres nothing wrong with people being gay, hopefully everyone will see this in a few years.