I think the biggest flaw with the Nunawading tournament is there are too many SA teams there & at worst you get half SA teams in your pool over there.

For Vic teams to come here & play all Vic teams + Norwood just seems like a waste if money & wasted trip. I don't know how long they will continue to support the tournament under those circumstances. It seems the SA Clubs have already spoken with their feet by not attending this tournament. The Vics won't be far behind.

Norwood need to re-think their goals & structure for this tournament otherwise they risk it becoming a non event over the next few years.

Already said they overpriced the carnival imo

Comparing this to the Dandenong/Eltham tournament is no contest. Not only is Dandenong/Eltham cheaper, but it also has a lot more good teams.

Could be the case that this year there was as many SA teams in Melbourne in January as there is in their own tournament this year.

Slowly dying.....

It's the reverse for the Vic teams who are coming over. And apparently making up 2/3 of the field.

great work hellrant

support local..?

Norwood supports NO other Adelaide tourney

but we should all help you out ?

Only one canteen in Adelaide makes any money. The others provide a service.

Imports at ABA level can't be paid. Paying them breaks immigration laws.

But that's ok Norwood keep bad mouthing the other clubs an playing the victim. Can't imagine why the other SA clubs refuse to support your club fundraiser.

For years now Dandenong have ensured all round games & all B/C grade finals are at one venue (Dandenong) for Sturt teams in return for their continued support. They supply over 20 teams each year. The only travel they do is if an A grade team makes finals, which is more than reasonable.

It appears they have a good relationship with Sturt & both sides benefit from it. Perhaps Norwood should think about the relationship they have with some clubs to see how they can improve their competition.

I have heard rumblings some Victorians are less than impressed with the draw after seeing all Victorian teams in their pool, or a large majority.

I wonder what Norwoods plan is going forward to get back the support of the SA clubs? Or will they just blame everyone else for not attending their tournament?

If Norwood provided the same level of competition that the January tournament provided (or even close to) then you might see some teams enter it instead of trekking over to Victoria.

However, you won't attract elite level Victorian teams until you get the SA teams on board. Norwood needs to make a concerted effort to attract one or the other... if you get the good SA teams playing, the Vics will come. If you got all the good Vics over, the top SA teams would play. But they need a focus on one of those two groups to attract the other.

Unfortunately I don't think Norwood has the mentality that they need to do anything except roll out a tournament & everyone else owes it to them to support it. Because poor Norwood don't have a canteen, bar etc etc.

Why should Sturt continue to register more teams into another clubs tournament than the host club itself.
If this upsets you tough!!!!

The Sturt members are glad for the break, we are sturt.

All I know is that I hope Hellrant isn't in the marketing department at Norwood! Abuse the very clubs that you are trying to get support your tournament - GREAT strategy!!!
All you've done is just confirm that I'm glad we are not playing in your tournament this year. And after that I will never support your tournament again.

Also heard a number of the Victorian clubs are not happy at all about the lack of SA teams - one has even sent an email suggesting this would be the last time they were coming - and this club sends a large number of teams here.

Sounds like Norwood aren't doing too good a job of keeping their customers happy!!!

Is it likely to even be around in 3 years time? I haven't heard anything positive (here or elsewhere) regarding the tournament in quite a while!

Hellrant i love the whole conspiracy theory that Sturt demanded half the profit or they would pull their teams!!!
Next you'll try and tell me that the Easter Bunny is real.
Have you any proof that Sturt did infact make those demands, or is it just a case of paranoia from a club running a second grade tournament that have been hanging onto the coattails of Sturts success with interstate clubs.

What about the other eight clubs? I willgladly give Norwood our bar and canteen and take the tournament.

I am pleased we are not participating this year and the kids are not missing it either. Dandenong, State Champs and Classics are enough. Why should clubs give money to Norwood where they are one of the most active recruiting clubs out there. If you spent the money on better development than better recruiting (read as poaching) then maybe clubs will support!

have heard some negatives from some visitors from over the border. days with zero games and a lack of sa teams. is this tournament on its last legs?

Have also spoken to some interstate guys this week who have said the standard in the champ grade has fallen off a cliff & they're unlikely to return. Yikes.

Have there been any positives out of the weekend for Norwood?

Heard from a good source that this may be the last time we see any flouro orange teams for a while - apparently not happy with the standard of the tournament at all nor the variety of teams invovled.

They don't even have the U18 GF results up.

What kind of internal problems???

zippidy,

how could another club influence the tournament? From what i saw they still had teams involved.

zippity - blaming another club for the lack of satisfaction in your tournament? Another great marketing ploy by Norwood. Fact is, there were less teams, less games, and more than 1 unhappy Victorian club with the tournament. Maybe they will return anyway, maybe they won't. Only time will tell.

Everyone has different needs. However I am glad that we have elected not toattend as finally we get a break from basketball and work for four days. Personally I would prefer to find the extra cash and travel in January for the Dandenong tournament as behind the Classics this is the best interstate tournament and its timing sets up the team ready for the winter season

AK-47,

Good to see someone to attack themselves as ignorant and a dickhead. Cause you just explained yourself. Why would clubs enter your tournament when people like you atack them like this? If you knew what you were talking about, you might make sense. But most ofyour points above where a one sided look at only what suits Norwood, and exactly why all other clubs should just stop attending.

AK-47

I know it is a pity that Norwood is crying poor when they don't have a bar or canteen. I can see that - South and North must be printing cash with their magnificent bar and canteen facilties. Actually I still can't find the South bar. How do these clubs operate with no tournament and "heritage listed" facilties? Hmmmm perhaps they manage their expenses and costs across the club.

Norwood are delusional. They continue to mention themselves in the same breath as Sturt and Forestville but their junior performances are woeful. They have not won any overall club state championship on the boys or girls side this century. Their only success was Reserves boy champion over 10 years ago. Even West and North have been more successful than that. How can that possibly be when they are large participants in the Easter carnival which using your words is the perfect lead up to the state champs. It is only your opinion that this is the best preparation - I tend to disagree - Dandenong is better.

Anyway it is pleasing to now know that Sturt will underperform at the state champs and Norwood will overtake them as a result of their different particpation levels at the Easter Carnival

AK-47

That is only one team and one team does not make a club or reflect how a club performs overall. I am referring to the total program i.e. Champion CLUB and not one isolated victory.

South Adelaide has more teams in Juniors than Norwood. North has only 3 less teams than Norwood so to me South are more important than Norwood from a numbers perspective and should be mentioned in the same breath as Sturt and F/Ville

I am sure that neither South nor North can accommodate that many teams in run down 2 court stadiums. While they may have some benefits on court hire costs for their stadium (which have been evaporating over recent years due to increases) they too would have to place most teams at outside facilities for training purposes at similar costs to Norwood.

Don't you just love facts!!

AK-47,

Your are an ignorant fool. All clubs have to pay court hire for their stadiums. North pays BSA to use hillcrest, its no different for them than Norwood hireing other facilities.

The reasons for not playing are;

Already other better higher level tournaments for players such as classics, State Camps, ECC, Ballarat, 14 Nationals. All superiuor tournaments.

Players and families need a rest and balance to be able to play said tournaments, not too mention the cost.

Finally, it may be too close to State Champs, know of al least 3 players may miss State Champs due to injuries sustainned at Easter.

Ahhh, AK-47, obviously went to the same marketing pitch Norwood threw as Hellrant!

To whinge about other clubs having a go at Norwood, then do the exact same thing to Sturt, shows you up to be a massive hypocrite. And a sook.
"Sturt hate Norwood" as a reason to not play? They have entered massive numbers of teams every other year, sometimes as many as Norwood I'd guess! Did this hate just roll up in the last 12 months? Just shows you as petty and clueless.

Ask one interstate club about their meeting with a Norwood representative about their concerns.... pretty much a shoulder shrug and an "I could care less" attitude. THIS is the reason the tournament is dying - these clubs are your CUSTOMERS, why would they be attracted to help you out with the treatment you give them? The fact that Norwood keep coming on here and pretty much blaming all the other clubs (whilst abusing them) for their tournaments decline is laughable.

And obviously Norwood will be winning state overall club champions this year, as they obviously are the only club serious about winning state champs...

I have traveled to Adelaide for eight years now with two different Victorian clubs and enjoyed each trip, as have the teams I have coached.

The tournament this year saw a noticeable drop in depth,standards and the level of officiating.

Every Victorian coach I spoke to commented on the lack of SA teams which was disappointing. This was compounded by the amount of Victorian clubs who didn't make the trip.

Dandenong, Frankston,Melbourne, Eltham to name a few, all noticeably absentees.

We have had some great times at this tournament and it would be a great pity, if SA clubs couldn't put aside their own agendas to rejuvenate this tournament.

Despite the drop in standard our kids had a ball and would go back next season, though there is talk about going elsewhere if standards don't improve. Maybe our club even organizing their own tour over the break to play clubs in Queensland or NSW.

I can't see how it would benefit Basketball in SA for this tournament was to fall over, put your difference aside, compromise and put out a united release guaranteeing SA club participation.

Do that and you will see Vic clubs coming back for sure.

Finally if I was in SA clubs shoes I would bargain your participation in the Eltham/Dandenong tournament for those Vic clubs participation in your Easter Tournament.

If you drop the baton on this tournament another State will pick it up for sure. Be careful!