anonymous
Years ago
What teams do you guys think will be successful in this new league? Do you think that the SEABL teams will kill the Big V teams or vise versa?
CR
Years ago
Why so anonymous, anonymous ? This isn't really controversial is it ?
The teams from both D-League and Youth League have been put together in a conference system for the first season - seems reasonable, then overall relativity between all the teams will be evident through results across the upcoming season.
As all these teams are fed from their respective junior clubs, it would seem reasonable to expect that the VJBL is a reasonable guide to who will sit where in the new VYC.
Interestingly, if you look at the "power clubs" at VJBL U18 level i.e. Knox, Melbourne, Dandenong, Bulleen, Nunawading, Diamond Valley (that's just off the top of my head), 3 of those clubs played D-League and 3 played Big V ... so I would expect they will all be pretty competitive in the new VYC.
It's all good - bring it on !
The DL teams are for the most part coming from a slightly better environment being part of the SEABL comp. The clubs concerned are again mostly bigger and better clubs but there are a few Big V clubs which will stand out. The best way to predict any sort of success is to look at the U18/20 ranks of the clubs. Clubs which dont have a solid history of VC juniors are going to need to recruit.
Bear
Years ago
CR I agree in part to your short list of teams that will enjoy initial success for sure.
It will take some smaller clubs and teams from lower ranked Associations a little longer to settle.
Possibly by then the stronger and larger clubs may already have a strangle hold on the competition, but it would be great to see a dark horse emerge...
What I would hate to see is a team recruit a championship, that would suck..!
CR
Years ago
@Bear yeah, agree with your observations ...
I think most clubs do the right thing and genuinely use the youth competition(s) as the next step up from their own juniors.
The main difference to juniors is that possibly a couple more of the stronger country associations will keep teams in VYC - it's really only Bendigo and Ballarat that play teams in the VJBL if they are strong enough.
The other difference with VYC is that because it is 23 and under, there is effectively a 5 year age window after under 18s ... so there will be a bit more of a mix depending if clubs look to keep their best youth players in VYC, or progress them early through to championship.
The biggest overall positive is the reunification of the youth competitions back into a genuine state wide championship - fabulous, kudos to those behind the scenes who did all the hard work to make it happen.
Will now be interesting to see what happens at the Big V senior level as SEABL works out what it is going to become over the next couple of years.
I don't really understand the thought that SEABL D-League was better than Big YL. It was widely regarded this way. But in reality, from the 2012 season, if Diamond Valley or Melbourne played in the D League, they would of won that title quite easilly.
2 teams doing well doesnt make one league better than the other. Depth does, so when you see the results half way through the season you will see that the top ends of both leagues are strong. The comment about DL being a stronger comp comes from the fact that its a deeper group of teams from a better predigree. Sure Ringwood, DV and tigers would do well but the rest are going to struggle just like the bottom end of DL will also struggle.
Melbourne look like they will struggle as a few have moved on. DV will be strong as usual because they recruit well picking the best from nearby clubs. Ringwood will struggle as they are losing 3 to champ men games so the fixture will be against them. Hawthorn are in trouble as most have left feeling conned by the coach. Bulleen have coaching issues as usual so they will struggle as will Sherbrook. Waverly's success will rely and keeping a few players happy and if that happens they will be ok.
Balla#34
Years ago
"... in reality, from the 2012 season, if Diamond Valley or Melbourne played in the D League, they would of won that title quite easilly."
Taking a little away from the coaches of the teams in the D League that have won the title in the past few years here Anon. You are definitely fighting against Duncan Berg and the job he did with Dande's D-League Men last year. Winning any title from 3rd is a tough gig, and they beat the much fancied Kilsyth on the way.
Melbourne Boy
Years ago
Btw the SYC comp this year is 9 Big V teams and 7 SEABL teams, so don't reel off that D-League was stronger because less teams from that division struggle in the new comp.
Also Tigers YL from last year at full strength as they were in the finals would have smashed the D-League teams, too much talent, there were Australian reps not seeing much court time.
Bear
Years ago
The Youth Championship in Victoria looks like a flagship competition on the face of it, I do hope it is treated properly and some effort goes into promoting this level of basketball to entice some decent crowds and media interest...
This could be one of the most exciting things to happen to youth basketball in quite a while, IMO!
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