Where is your scorpion tattoo?

Even responding to bait, it completely fails to take any responsibility for the situation the team are in.

If he said that he deserves to be sacked now

Not that that is in any way surprising Isaac. It's actually quite consistent with the attitude over the past three years.

I have never heard or seen ratford or Clarke take any responsibility for anything. The tech is a famous example. Never heard them man up and say we picked the wrong import. They're a disgrace.

@Jack Toft my scorpion tattoo is on the side of my right lower calf if that matters. Anom you SIR have no idea. I didn't want a response or a gift. I want professionalism and results. Are you Mrs Radford or his mistress? He could've insulted me and there wouldn't be an issue but to belittle our CITY, our CLUB and our FANS like that speaks to his character which he shows a lack of night in and night out spreading his diseases through a very proud and passionate organisation.

Mark Radford is the epitome of unprofessionalism. If you've ever heard him speak to an audience at a basketball clinic or anything you would have been astounded at how he manages to come across as a man of such low basketball intelligence. Rates himself very highly though.

Wow a great effort by a front row hero. Might not be a great reaction but to claim its disgusting would only hold up if it wasn't in response to 'bait'.

What were you saying to him, and a what stage of the game!

Better response would've been to channel some Don Shipway...but perhaps your dental plan might need an upgrade.

Interested to hear what "curry" you said to him becuase depending on the tone and words used it would be normal to react and say something back. Just because you pay a few hundred dollars doesnt entitle you to launch tirades at will. I know I wouldnt like it at my work as I am sure you wouldnt be either. I know the players are disappointed at the reaction of "fans" and probably a small reason why they playe better on the road and who knows if that may be a factor when players are deciding to come here or not. I know success means that doesnt happen but I would like to think that the majority of our crowd and fellow fans are pretty good and the hecklers are the minority.

@Bg04...

You belittled the City and the fans all by YOURSELF by being rude.

You didn't even make it about the team or the game.

You just went straight for the man and made it personal.

You ask for professionalism yet you won't be civil to start with.

You may feel vindicated because a few posters are jumping on this blind, but all you have done is shown the ugly side of the fanbase.

I witnessed this

You agressively and deliberately baited the guy and are shocked that he reacted. What was so offensive about his reply? How many players are out there that would want to come to the 36ers in the current environment?

He could have said a lot of personal things to you but didnt.

You wouldnt have the balls to go and say something to one of the players would you champ but feel it is ok to have a crack at someone from a few rows away.

@Marcus Camry who said I was being rude? It was ALL about the team! If you actually heard anything is was about giving court time to our local guys to which he responded. Unlike you we have realists on these forums. Some YES are overdone and over opinionated. But still support our team. I like you have defended our team for the past 5 years but dont believe insulting our city or organisation is the correct way to promote the game. @ Pure silk of course it's normal to react genius. There's still no need to insult our organisation. @SMA what was said was the opinion of many fans not due to success but due to knowledge. Fish get baited! Professionals act professional.

@BJF my problem isn't with the players CHAMP!!! The comment wasn't offensive to me mate. I couldn't give a f*ck if he said something to me. I unlike you have spent 1000's of dollars over 20+ years for no other reason than to support my team. His reaction was over not playing our players and our import. Nothing abusive was said. You guys want to get into me but you'll sit there and insult a guy who has left his family to come here and doesn't get the respect or opportunity deserved. Uneducated hypocrites!

Yep , 36ers Member/Fan for nearly 30 years and have played bball overseas so pretty sure I know the game. I dont believe it is the place or time for supporters to heckle our own. For me it shows a lack of class. If you have something to say , go up to the presentations afer the game and approach him rather than be a hero !

Skipping blithely over sixers threads : - , there are those going out to the games , - you been hurt so many times, being down to the bottom with a bad man,
while those on the peripheral ,don't go to the games , don't feel the pain , and support Radford (and Clarke).

@Bg04, yep, I pretty much saw that exchange

OK lets play biatch

If it wasnt offensive to you then why did you post it here?

Your words, as written by you, above" Absolutely disgusting"

Which player didnt they play today? Only one not to get court time was Pero. you seriously want to see Pero play ahead of Schensch , DJ or Petrie?

You said you abused him about not playing our import. I think you are all by your lone some there in wanting to see SC get more court time than he does at present.

"I couldn't give a f*ck if he said something to me" yet you couldn't wait to rush home and post it on Hoops.

I am a season ticket holder for 27 years and I guarantee you that you havent spent 1/10th as to what I have supporting the 36ers.

Also pink shorts are very last season, do yourself a favour and upgrade the wardrobe.

@BG04..

http://hoops.com.au/forum/30768-r18-sixers-v-tigers/#p403597

" I definitely served up some spicy curry to the ginger cancer! Was just giving him a little advice on which employment sight to go on in a few months."

A) You spelt 'Site' wrong, FAIL.

B) Telling Radford to go to an 'employment sight' is 'ALL about the team'?

Please don't boast about jeering Mark about his employment prospects in one thread, then backtrack in another. Have the guts to own up.

C) Spending '1000's of dollars over 20+ years' does not give you the right to personally attack 6'er organisation employees, indeed anyone.

What a sense of entitlement you must have.

BJF - Well said !

I think it would have been a lot easier if Marty and Radford had been shown the door a few weeks/months ago. They obviously know they are not coming back next year so will probably leave bitter (not sure why as have had 3 terrible years). in saying that it wouldn't surprise me if they did bad mouth the city, team and some players so I think that's where radfords comment came from as he knows his time is up.
I think all sixers fans wish it hadn't been like this as I for 1 was happy with the appointment and the team initially but as the seasons wore on things didn't change and they were making the same mistakes that you would allow a rookie coach to make but not a 3rd year coach.
It's just become so frustrating to watch, you could see it in the sixers body language after half time and at 3qtr time Melbourne were pumped and the sixers looked flat.

I feel sorry for the players as they are trying but it's just not happening on the court after half time. Pressure does strange things to people.

I suppose there is only 1 way up from here. Looking forward/ hopeful for some exciting announcements about next season and walking into the arena expecting to watch a 36ers win as forgotten what that was like.

Do you think maybe he was referring to players not wanting to play here given the way fans treat them?

Perfectly put BJF!

You said it wasn't personally offensive but he said it to you in response to provocation.

You also labelled it disgusting.

So was that on behalf of the thousands of fans who heard it??

Perhaps they can join in with a chant for the next game to give the place a great atmosphere for the team - and also any potential recruits!

Whenever you're confronted with an angry customer sometimes the best thing to do is just smile politely and ignore them

lol op

This experience again reinforces just how toxic the Sixers basketball experience is becoming and it is really saddening that an event such as this has occurred.

It would appear that both parties could have shown more respect to each other but these types of exchanges are not uncommon when everyone is frustrated. When emotions are high people do things that they may later regret.

These next 8 months are going to require exceptional levels of patience, empathy, respect and communication for the Sixers to have any chance of raising out of these douldrums, and certainly no more finger pointing or blame games. Enough is enough.

The new CEO and coaches will need to be outstanding communicators and motivators if the organisation is to have any hope of rejuvenating the playing group and the fan base after the disappointment of this season.

First the tech incident vs Cairns last year and now this. Radford is a cancer. Was he anything like this in Perth?

If Radford and Clarke cared at all they would have fallen on their sword. It is so embrassing for all involved.

One tech foul in 3 season and defending yourself against personal attacks = Cancer?

Wow...

Must be a South Australian term.

Marc -us, there are some things best to let go through to the keeper

Evidently Radford realises he won't be here next season.

It feels like there's going to be a shitload of sabotage towards the end of the season.

Finally, someone baited Marcus Camby and seems, he/she cant hack it.

I work in a health organisation, do u need a tissue Marcus?

If think one issue is that, what if he was/is a significant part of the team losing?

One thing I always found refreshing about Ninnis with his coaching was taking responsibility as a coach with his statements.

BJF covered it.

The concerning thing too is the lack of fire and passion shown in the three years. Name one occasion where Clarke has fired up in a timeout? Heal may be a dick but at least he shows passion

Radford really should have kept his mouth shut or at the very least responded with a more political response. I dont really have a problem with what he said as I think some of the fans are very harsh towards the team but I do understand their frustrations and expectations and that unfortunately for Radford, Calrke and the players comes with the territory of being a professional in sport.

He really is in no position to be saying what he did as I feel players wont want to play for this club for reasons they have had a hand in as much as the passionate fans overstepping the line. Besides, there is only 1 or 2 players uncontracted for next season anyway and to be honest I think a good import would be better than Gibson.

Results speak for themselves and I am just happy that the 3 years is almost over as I cant take much more of this mediocrity (to put it nicely). A change whether it be positive or not will still be refreshing!!

Hydra - you could make the same comment about Paul Roos when coaching Sydney he was the same all the time.

Hear hear anon #737. Hit the nail right on the head.

As disappointing as this season has been, and it has been grossly disappointing, Radfords response to what appears to have been sustained and personal abuse seems to me to have been reasonably mild. Whilst keeping quiet is the better course, a lot of people would have said much worse.

@Eli Would be better if you worked in a wholesale Pharmaceutical Dispensary as he might need a few boxes of tissues.

I actually think as a paying fan, you have a right to heckle any of the players/coaches/referees on the court but there is a line you can cross. I would suggest that any physical contact from fans with players/coaches, swearing, racism, and derogatory comments towards someons family are all too far. When I used to be a season ticket holder and attend games regularly before I moved to the country, we had these guys behind us who were extremely funny and witty. Their heckling added entertainment value to the game for me and those around me as well. It was always hilarious when they would get on a players back and it would eventually result in the player flipping bird. They rarely if ever crossed theline. Heckling from the fans is part of what makes live sport - I don't think you can get annoyed

Radford also has a right to respond to that heckling but he has the added responsibility of being a paid professional by the 36ers organisation and as part of that, he has a duty to support and act professionally toward the 36ers organisation and toward their paying customers. In this situation hie did not do that and gave an entirely inappropriate response.

Sorry accidentally posted above before I was ready too.

If I was Radford's emloyer at the 36ers and heard he had said that at a game, I would be asking for a pleas explain and also sya behind closed doors that behaviour like that from a paid professional coach was not acceptable at my organisation. I also think fans have a right to be annoyed at what he said after the last 3 years of unnacceptable results for the sixers basketball club.

Clarke and Radford have shown from the first season an inability to connect with fans and the media and have not taken any public responsibility for the repeated poor results even though it is clear their coaching is at least part of the problem. This comment further shows Radford's lack of professionalism in his role and I wouldn't br employing him as part of any coaching team if I owned an NBL franchise.

If they are given new deals, then that will do it for me. I will officially no longer give a shit. I think it will also be the end of the club.

As long as someone produces a "History Of The 36ers" DVD, I will keep watching that, rather than sit through another season with Snookie and Pauly D at the helm.

Anon, if Uncle Phil was consistently underachieving in his role over a three year period then yes, he would deserve to be berated.

I find this all an interesting debate.

If you think about it no one deserves abuse however sports makes people emotional. The level abuse at the basketball would be very small compared to Football and Soccer, not that it excuses it.

I imagine that some if not most of the people arguing what the original poster did was wrong, have also at least once yelled abuse at a player.

I imagine when Julius Hodge Stomped on Brett Maher's signature most forum posters would have yelled abuse at him. In fact, the then CEO, who I think is participating in this thread, went up to Hodge on the court and had a few words to him. I doubt he was saying anything nice to him. Is this not the same as the OP?

Perhaps people will argue what Hodge did incited the crowd. However, what Clarke and Radford is doing is inciting the crowd with their poor performance. You might say its not the same level of degree but to some people it is. Either way we are both wrong as any type of abuse (heckling that doesn't cross the line is fine) is not right.

I think we are all guilty of crossing that line at some point including my self.

If we can all just cool down and ride the season out then next season (as long as those two aren't signed again) will be a much different season.

@Anon473780, lots of people get abused at their jobs. Anyone who has worked a Retail/Support/Customer Service job has experienced random abuse.

You're taught how to handle those kinds of responses and appropriate actions to take if you have a problem with it. Most of the time, you learn to handle any kind of abuse and ignore it.

If you're playing or coaching in a sporting organization, you're acting as the face of the club. Expect abuse, learn to handle it and how to react to it.

Radford's response regardless of the content or context of the remark should have been to walk away and speak to the Sixers organization if the heckling is causing him stress etc.

It's clear that he doesn't know how to act in a professional environment and clearly needs a talking to from someone in the club about how to act.

Great post Big Marty!

At the next game, a few fans should each hand Radford a centrelink application form. Lol would be gold and you could actually help him out as he may need it in a few months....

Anon,

I agree, abuse is not warranted and I explained there was s line to not cross when Heckling and those examples I gave were crossing that line and were more examples of abuse.

I wasn't there and I therefore can't determine whether what the fan was doing was abuse or not but I still believe what Radford said was unprofessional and unwarrante, and if I were his employer, i would not be happy with him making those kinfs of comments to fans.

@Anon'751...

The Coaches are doing their job.

They are working hard at training.

They are working hard at Game Day.

One could suggest that they are not doing their job 'to member expectations', stress 'could, but they are still loyal and hard working servants of the Club and well deserving of respect offered to any other past servant of the club.

@Uncle Phil..

Yes fans may heckle and done well it adds to the atmosphere, but the OP got personal.

As much as I am frustrated with yesterday's outcome, I think Mark deserves respect as a human being foremost.

Overall, I think Mark should have kept walking and dismissed the comment.

However I can understand Mark's frustrations.

Mark is used to winning (Example : Perth) and these losses must weigh heavily on him (and Marty). We all know how it feels when no matter how hard you try the results just aren't there.

The weekly Sack Marty threads would be exacerbating the situation, as would the booing at home games in front of National TV. Mark would no doubt be equally concerned about the impact that has on the playing group.

In the event that they part ways with the organisation, I think they are deserving of a decent send off by the fans for 3 years of loyal service to this great Club.

This shows we have Class.

Marcus, if they decide to throw in the towel I will certainly be there to cheer as loud as possible to give them a rousing send-off...

Someone getting abused in their job and they fired back, not a huge deal. I get abused everyday, have my family threatened and get told that strange acts of sexual violence will one day be committed against me and I give a bit back.. It's a dog v dog world out there. How bout Radford walks into your office and starts giving you some 'curry'.

Still laughing at the OP's post to BJF... Nice effort champ, but I suggest you sit the hell down and let the adults speak. You started the sh*t fight with your 'curry' and then you cry wolf and run to the internet to tell everyone when someone returns serve.

Trust me, I'm over this season, and to be honest, the last three seasons have been terrible. I hold the coaching staff responsible, and this season along with Marty's abd Radfords contract can't finish quick enough.

Anon #815

It's pretty obvious now. In a few posts, even in this thread, it's becoming more probable that Marcus camby sits on the bench during games. Just not sure in what capacity.......

Think your on the right track bucket man ....

This is starting to remind me of a Seinfeld episode. Doesn't Jerry get heckled, then go to the heckler's place of work to harrass them?

Bg04 watch out for Radford... :)

Marcus and others who say the fans have no right to abuse the coach, a question for you since you obviously are in defense of Mark retaliating to abuse.

What would happen if a Ref got abused from a fan in the first row which in Perth happens all the time?

Would the umpire be within there rights to say something about there team because "no one should put up with abuse in there workplace?"

Of course the answer is "no" they would be expected to be professional and ignore the comments

Correct??

So why would Mark as assistant coach not be expected to show similar standards especially since he no doubt be paid much higher than a part time umpire?

Just a thought.....

I know I shouldn't feed the troll but this one I just can't pass up LOL.

Marcus Camby, there will be any number of 36ers fans out there who will be more than willing to give Clarke and Radford the send off they so richly deserve when their reign of mediocrity comes to its tragic conclusion. Oh, I've no doubt that both have given it their all since they started here. Their training and preparation of the 36ers has apparently been very good. But when it comes to the crunch, they have been measured, weighed and found wanting. The fact remains that a 30% success rate in any form of professional sport is only acceptable if you're a hitter in Major League Baseball.

Seems the coaches abuse the players .
Refs should remove the coach .
I felt sorry for Ron Howard and family here , the way Clarke spoke to Ron Howard , not pleasant .

The worse thing about the sack Marty threads is that they stopped.

It means the fans have totally lost hope.

Sorry Holden, it had to be done...

While only yesterday , somebody asked me if I would smash up Clarke's play board .
Clarke asked to remember him by hanging up stevie's singlet out there .

Marcus Camby wouldn't be an injured player by any chance, would he?

LOL @ TR......absolute classic and exactly the scene from "A Knights Tale" that I had in mind when I wrote what I did.

The situation of the last 3 years have brought out the worst in fans. Fans who have spent years attending games and supporting their team, now faced with so much frustration which brings out its ugly behaviour. If it helps, look at the last 3 years as being afflicted with a disease brought on by Clarke & Radford. A painful disease to endure that has created the bad behaviour. A disease we will all be cured from between the end of this season and start of next season when we commence with new coaching personnel. With a good selection of coaching personnel, the team will get back on its feet and the fans will all be nice again.

Guys....stop making the thread about me and more about discouraging abusive behaviour at family oriented events like a Sixers game.

People who attack others at a personal level are just bullies, nothing more.

As 'fashionable' as it is to bash Marty and Co, lets try to show some Class please.

The next home game will potentially be the last in the Marty / Mark era, lets show them the City's best and wish them well if it is to be the end.

I'm a wildcats fan and its just no fun seeing the 36ers THIS down and out, we want our rivalry to be so ferocious that its atleast back page news but instead your team is a joke with insipid coaching and seriously Radford; baited or not... Your in a place of power in this league so please do the right thing and show some fucking passion.

I have no idea why anyone would wanna live in Adelaide but getting people there should be the hardest part and not keeping them from heading straight to the airport after you open your mouth.

Long live the 36ers/Wildcats rivalry

"Good luck finding a job next year mate because you won't be coaching here!"
They were the EXACT words that were said and that's a fact. Not an opinion from hypocrites who weren't there. A FACT! Was it an insult? Yes. But was it the truth. Yes. There was no profanity or insults about family which Marcus Camby would like all to believe. Just the truth. Compared to the insults that get thrown around on this forum my comment didn't even get close to 'crossing the line' that I apparently crossed in the opinion of so many who weren't there and to those who were there you know this is FACT. You're just to busy on your high horse to admit that my comment is the truth. I know for a FACT that my opinion is shared by certain current players, current players families and even one a hall of fame broadcaster. Who i have all had discussions with in the past 48 hours.To all the over opinionated hypocrites on here take a look at yourselves before you start spewing your nonsense.You want Marty and Mark to get the send off they DESERVE. Don't worry I'm sure you'll get your wish.

Oh and keep wasting your time throwing insults my way as I couldn't care less about your thoughts of me. this isn't about me. It's about our team and the consistent lack of professionalism shown by our leaders. If you can't see that than you've got bigger issues than this forum.

@MC

Point 1. Why does Marty and Mark deserve a send off. They should have already resigned. If they cared more about the success of the team than themselves they would have known that losing 13 of 14 is not in the team best interests... D'antoni at the Knicks as an example. Selfish people do not deserve anything. They put their paychecks above the team, so they dont get any respect here.

Point 2. As a professional sports identity it is never ok to abuse a fan. It doesn't matter what they say or do, as a paid professional you are not allowed to retaliate otherwise the fan should bare responsibility for Ron Artest beating the s**t out of him. No excuses.

Point 3. The sack Marty threads you claim do not help the team? Rubbish, they don't have to read them. Like you said to the guy the other day, don't look on the thread if you don't want the score. If you want to know what the fans think and they tell you their opinion, you can;t blame them for how you feel about it.

Fact: Marty should have resigned to show the team that winning is more important than any one individual. He didn't and so the tell follow his lead and they only care about themselves, not the team or winning.

MC not sure what planet you live on, but the coaches role is to set the example and he hasn't. In any workplace he would have been sacked for failing to meet his KPIs for 3 years straight. Bottom of the ladder again this year is a sackable offense. Period no excuses, no bullcrap.

The end.

By the looks of it, Marcus Camby is Mitch Creek

Well done BJF you know how to use social networking and naming people. Your a real hero!

The story hasn't changed BJF if that is even your real name! During the last qtr I made the comment about playing the players when Mark turned around and scoffed. Also a very proffesional move by the way. So when he came to the bench after the game I made the second comment to which he reacted. Credibility? Do you normally stalk social network profiles like a teenage girl or is some thing you want to tell me gorgeous haha

Anon - I hope they do!

Bizzy = Radford..... Needs a job

LOL anon.

@BG04...

You proudly boasted in the game thread that you jeered Mark about the use of an employment website.

Now you change your story again.

If you are proud that you baited him good, accept it, don't backtrack now and suggest you are the victim ffs.

IDing poster using an alias is not allowed. Two posts deleted. Bans next time.

Isaac the guy was saying the same stuff on the 36ers facebook page so didnt realise it was not ok for him to be public there and not here

Fair call from you

@Marcus Camby
My intention was never to bait anyone as you may like to believe. Was just voicing my opinion as were many around me and many have with much worse comments over the past three seasons. Does it make it right? Maybe not but I stand by the fact that the comment Mark retaliated with is unprofessional. He could have and should have insulted me when he chose to retaliate which would have been justified but chose not to. I understand that his response was not solely to my comments and it would be tough being abused by thousands week after week but that is why you get paid to be a professional. My post was not to gain attention for myself but out of concern for our club and to inform our supporters of this attitude that leads our team.If any of my employees had responded to a paying customer within my business like that I would be worried and would address the issue straight away. The main point has been missed in this whole thing. I'm not the one that the focus should be on. As I said posters can continue wasting time insulting me. It means nothing. I'm not the one fans are booing, I'm not the one with multiple hate threads and I'm not the one bringing down a successful organisation. If anything the one thing I am happy about is that this thread has shown how much passion our supporters still have for our team.

^^^

what?

I stand by the fact that the comment Mark retaliated with is unprofessional. He could have and should have insulted me when he chose to retaliate which would have been justified but chose not to.

Bizzy, please justify your comments. What do you see in Clarke that 5,000 fans do not. You are involved with the club on the inside, what is it that you see on the inside that is not revealed to the fans and the general public. Most of the Marty bashers on this website have given every reason to feel the way they do, but you never back up your comments. Tell us all what is wonderful about Clarke and Radford and how successful the team has been the last 3 years.

Clarke and Radford will not be offered another year on their contracts unless the club wants them to play to an empty stadium. The fans won't tolerate it, neither will the sponsors. Either 2 people walk out or 5,000 walk out. Which one will it be?

KCCO

To Anonymous(s) I am still going as well. Have not missed a single game this season, missed about 3 in the last 10 years but have travelled for many more interstate.

I don't speak for 5,000. I haven't asked 5,000. Its a law of averages. When a survey is done, its done on a sample number.
The result is then averaged over a larger representative group. By the percentage of people on this website plus the ones I associate with at the games mostly saying the same thing, you can assume an average number of 5,000 based on the total fan base.

EC,

The changes to the club that Marty and Rat have made behind the scenes are huge. The culture has changed, the expectations have changed.

This unfortunately haven't been refelected on the W/L in games, but IMO they are so close.

It is hard to put in words the changes that have been made behind the scenes it's more of a feeling being given of by players and coaches.

Don't for a minute think that just because Marty appears to stay very non-caring for that isn't the case. The same with the players - I have seen some people comment that the players don't care because they have given up etc for that is not the case. The disappointment in the rooms can't be described. The amount of work both the players and the coaches put in isn't justly reflected in W/L.

Do you still want more EC?

Bizzy - I think you may have missed the point of sports...... Isn't it to win games..... Or do you live life to lose repeatedly and fail at everything.....

Anon414167 - Someone who makes sense.

To the others you realise that since our last championship etc how the culture was? Well I had seen it and it has changed significantly for the better. Have you ever tried to change the culture in your workplace etc? It's not an easy thing and usually things get worse before they get better.

To the poster who asked was Radford like this at the Wildcats.

At the Wildcats Radford was a highly respected assistant coach who originally was hired at the suggestion of Shawn Redhage. We were very sad to lose him as he was complementary to Bevo's style of coaching.

At the 36ers a constant stream of abuse from the "most knowledgable fans in the country" seems to have had a detrimental effect on him. Adelaide was on the slide long before Radford arrived.

Does this mean that he is the answer to the 36ers problems or shouldn't be sacked along with Clarke after this season? Absolutely not, the coaching pairing has been a spectacular failure and results have been very poor. They both deserve to lose their jobs. However I see no reason that Radford could not be an effective assistant again under someone else.

I'm intrigued by this concept of culture change and in particular where its boundaries start and end. I believe Marty mentioned it at the start of his tenure, but I don't recall him saying it since.

It would appear, based on some of the anecdotal evidence available, that Marty's cultural change agenda has been quite empowering to some people within the organisation. Why then has the organisaion not taken the time to inform season ticket holders of the strategy that underpins this cultural change?

Why not give fans at least a glimpse of all the hard work that is going on 'behind closed doors' to change the culture? - It may facilitate an appreciation among fans that with a little more patience good things can be expected.

Instead we've witnessed for the most part, owners, CEO's, players and sponsors leave the club yet the parties orchestrating this cultural change remain. Can I safely assume, based on comments provided on this forum, that those people weren't agreeable with, or suited to this culture change and if not why was that so?

And furthermore if some on the statements made in this thread are in fact correct, should a disciple of this positive culture change have responded in a much different manner?

Things don't add up to me, but then again I've not had the priviledge of being directly informed of the good things that are coming out of this culture change.

From a personal perspective I've started to question whether the term 'cultural change' has been misappropriated into a corporate cliché? Leadership training has become an industry in itself and the concept of 'culture change' is a staple of their marketing strategies.

But great leaders don't need clichés do they, great, even good, leadership is, for the most part, an innate skill right?

@Silencer83, Respect is a lot like a Degree or a Certificate: You earn them over time and it can help you open doors; but it doesn't mean you're good at the job you're employed to do.

While I'm sure the Wildcats thought he was great and said they would be sad to see him go, it clearly wasn't enough that they tried to match whatever offer he got from the Sixers; nor has he evidently impacted the Wildcats by leaving. So compliments and respect aside, there's always the slighest chance that he wasn't as advertised.

I agree with your post in full; but as I've stated before in this post, there's a level of professionalism expected of anyone in their job. If he's got a problem with heckling, he has many avenues to take in order to 'vent' that don't involve telling disgruntled fans that he doesn't think anyone would want to play for the club after this year.

In any other job, if he went off at a customer; you would be either warned for it, or be fired on the spot.

Personally i think you have hit a button Big Ads

The clubs comms have been poor if not non existant. The post game video from Gibbo i thought was great. He articulated issues and took responsibility. There should be and could be a lot more of this type of interaction with the fans IMO

I have always been bemused by the train of thought that Marty and Mark have alienated the fans, if they had their way that would have been doing regular Q and A sessions on this very forum as an example. In fact they floated the idea of weekly updates at one point.

I have had the privilege to see some of the facets and the changes that have been made.

Just last week the group signed a written pact to one another to not give up on the season and to play every game like it was game 3 of the GF. That is elite level behaviour, keeping everyone accountable to each other.

The foundations have been laid and the benefits will come from this, it is just not happening as fast as anyone would like.

Now to all the fans out there that dont know things like this the assumption is that nothing is happening. If you cant see it , hear it or touch it it is fair to think that there is nothing going on.

When was the last time you heard a coach in the NBA say wins and loses dont matter just developing our team culture.....

No one in the NBA is that stupid to commit career suicide.......

Yet Marty and Radford still have jobs.... and of course that 1-13 record over the past 14 games....

#winning

[quote]@Silencer83, Respect is a lot like a Degree or a Certificate: You earn them over time and it can help you open doors; but it doesn't mean you're good at the job you're employed to do.[/quote]
Big Marty, absolutely agree.

[quote]While I'm sure the Wildcats thought he was great and said they would be sad to see him go, it clearly wasn't enough that they tried to match whatever offer he got from the Sixers; nor has he evidently impacted the Wildcats by leaving. So compliments and respect aside, there's always the slighest chance that he wasn't as advertised. [/quote]
Radford left the Wildcats to be closer to his family in Tasmania. Coupled with that Beveridge had Shawn Dennis his longtime friend and previous assistant waiting in the wings who was a capable replacement.

[quote]I agree with your post in full; but as I've stated before in this post, there's a level of professionalism expected of anyone in their job. If he's got a problem with heckling, he has many avenues to take in order to 'vent' that don't involve telling disgruntled fans that he doesn't think anyone would want to play for the club after this year.

In any other job, if he went off at a customer; you would be either warned for it, or be fired on the spot.[/qoute]
I agree it is poor form to respond to hecklers when you are in such a position. Is there any reason he couldn't have been reprimanded internally when it was brought to club's attention? (apart from the 36ers fans losing faith in the management).

Shane Heal made borderline racist comments and gestures to a fan after being heckled while playing for Gold Coast and instead of being reprimanded he threatened legal action despite photographic evidence.

Hecklers are always going to be around and if Radford didn't like it he should have requested that security remove the original poster rather than firing back.

Just because Marty and Mark don't give sprays to the players does not mean they don't care or are doing nothing.

Some have even suggesting that they are sabotaging the Sixers.

Unbelievable.

BJF as a fan who goes upstairs after every home game i find it hard to believe Marty and Mark would be doing Q and A sessions and weekly updates if they had their way when Marty can't even be bothered to show up to the post match interviews half the time. We heard from him last game but he missed at least 3 games before that. I am a firm believe of actions speak louder than words and so far all i have seen is a lot of talk and not much follow through.

bk I appreciate that
i believe that there is a roster system whereby different people will be upstairs week to week

Just because Marty and Mark don't give sprays to the players does not mean they don't care or are doing nothing.

Yeah there is a roster system for the players but the coach (or at least the assistant coach if the coach can't make it for some reason) should be up after every game as it has been in the past before Marty.

not really accurate there bk Ninnis rarely appeared upstairs and before him there was no post game get together at all.

Hecklers are always going to be around and if Radford didn't like it he should have requested that security remove the original poster rather than firing back.

ok then
you would know anon

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Well my memory must be wrong too because i remember Ninnis being up there nearly every week and i also remember seeing interviews with Phil

Remember , onair@fiveaa ,: - that he did admit to the Tech . Also , Clarke told us : ' The booing did effect some of our players , not used to it , it doesn't happen around the league.' ...
.. ( I seem to recall that last season was the first time that fans had booed their own team . )

I have a question for all the people, what would you have done differently that would have generated wins?

Prior to Marty and Rat there were a lot of should we say "undesirables" - guys that didn't want to put in the work either with training or rehabbing etc.

The first year Marty had limited impact in selecting his team - last year and this year he has had the selections. So realistically he has only had 2 years to work with a roster he wants.

"So realistically he has only had 2 years to work with a roster he wants."

and how has those two seasons gone?

"The first year Marty had limited impact in selecting his team"

funny that coincidently that was his best year :P

I would have made the offensive sets simpler and let the players play more on instinct than structure. I would have let it known that not going after rebounds, loose balls and blocking out was unacceptable. I would have let it known no desire to play tight defence resulted in time on the bench. If we were struggling with 3 point shots i would have drawn up a couple of plays that resulted in getting layups or wide open three pointers to get the players confidence going need i go on these are just a couple of things off the top of my head.

KingJames is countering the sycophant with ease (bad grammar notwithstanding)

KingJames is also not really contributing anything meaningful to the original question...

bk - It's all well and good to say that you would draw up plays to get either layups or open threes, but in a professional league where your team has hit a flat spot during a game I doubt it is as simple as that. A defensive team wont just give up an open three, regardless of how poor the offensive execution has been, because letting one open shot drop could be the tipping point/momentum swing that changes a game.

As for not playing defense resulting in time on the bench, how would you counteract sluggish play on the defensive team by multiple players?
For example, if Gibbo is looking sluggish and missing rotations and you send him to the bench, what happens if the replacement shows little commitment to defense during their stint? How do you account for multiple players not showing that commitment to defense in the one game; bench them all?

If players know they will be benched for not putting enough effort in you will find they will pull their weight just knowing if they don't they don't play, and no a defensive team won't just give up an open three that is why you draw up a play to drive the ball to the hoop draw the defense and have a couple players on the three point line then the defense either play one on one with the driver which could lead to an easy lay up or double on the driver and leave a three point shooter open. That is just one play you could use there are many others but i don't want to bore everyone. The point is if the coach is good enough they can adjust the way the team plays and give the players confidence that they will make the right decisions when it comes to the crunch and then you are half way there to getting a win

Bizzy Don't make statements about things that you have no idea about. Marty and Mark selected their team in the first year, the second year and the third year.
They may choose to peddle another version, this is only more excuses.
They have developed a culture, no doubt a losing culture. What they are doing may "look good" as per the written commitment to each other BJF.
As for getting rid of undesirables that would be an insult to some of the leagues more professional players. But then again this would have been a good excuse for lack of performance. They have a very good group of players who are committed and professional
and yet unsuccessful. Lets see this goup flourish in an environment that has real leadership.
And Bizzy dont worry most of if not all will be keen to be back.

Wasn't Ballinger already signed when Clarke was appointed?

In reference to promoting the team - previously Marty & Mark instigated getting into a minimum amount of schools etc, however I believe this season they were told they weren't to do it.

They keep him because they want to. Not because they have to.

It could have just been a simple case of they didn't have the cash flow to pay out Clarke and Radford. I could be wrong but I imagine if they were sacked they would have to be paid out at once.

If that is the case lets say there was six months to run on their contract and lets say Clarke was on $150k and Radford $100k. That would mean $75k to Clarke, $50k to Radford for a total of $125k. Perhaps the owners don't have this sort of money laying around to pay out or would rather spend this money in other ways.

To get a new coach for the rest of the season would bring in more crowd which would easily cover the cost of two coaches on mimimum wage (with the promise that if they do well they will serioulsy be considered for the job the next season with a better salary). In fact, I think they would get a profit from that. However, the little profit they get probably wasn't worth the pain of giving $100k-$125k at once.

Wouldn't be easy . Clarke's brilliant out there at training.
He says ; ' Hi , how are you , good luck , thank you '
to me . Pretty good bloke .
Eventually , there ain't enough wins .

wonder if Boti still tells people he doesn't post on hoops

First it was the use of fear in stating that if Clarke left the entire team would leave.

"Is that So hard to Believe?" yes since they are contracted players.

Well most of them are contracted players anyway

Remember at the end of last season , DJ was gonna go to free agency and Creek to Wollongong , so we had to give 'em a few more bucks to stay , so , ulikely anyone wouldda walked out if we cut Clarke .
SOS pulled the plug on Ninnis two years into a 3 year deal , and cut imports , so , unlikely money .
They were gonna go with Cole's offer to buy the team , more likely , so , this is their last year.

I have read some truly pathetic arguments of people speaking on behalf of the 36er management and coaches. I have never known a sporting franchise to be run so unprofessionally or be more clueless then the current 36ers. There own missmanagement is why they are losing money and nothing else, Adelaide has proven time and time again if the product is good, they will come.. products been shit, they know its been shit, they kept it that way, so dont wonder why you hear crickets and tumbleweed for most games, well that and the touchy geriatrics who dont appreciate noise but thats another issue.

30% win record, I dont care how good he is at training or how nice he is to animals or whether he visits his grandmother every weekend.. THAT is failure at any level of sport.. and he has done it for 3 years.. and even more broadly, the management have. In this situation, the management are more to blame then Clarke.. yes Clarkes a bit of a knob, and he cant coach... but hey, higher powers gave and kept the job for him, he is only doing what he knows to do.. it takes bigger morons to sit there and allow a baby to drive a train!

Christopherson over CJ, I mean.. Come on man! CJ wasnt Michael jordan but he did single handedly win us a game. Soon as I saw Christoph in the flesh, I thought 6'3 my ass! the guy would be lucky to be 6 foot, 3 point shooter my ass! The guy couldnt cut it in one of the dodgiest pro leagues on the planet... so lets BRING HIM HERE!!!!! Ohh the fans are excited!!!! well atleast fans LIKED CJ!!!!! in the end, your meant to be selling entertainment to people first and foremost, and then sport. SOS and there fairy godmothers have failed at both. Cant hate them for trying, I am sure they didnt get the team and say "Yes, lets sabotage it and dessimate its name for generations to come".. however, thats whats happened! In my personal dealings with them, professional would not be a term id use!

As for Radfords comment, Yes, has a right to respond to critcisim, However, why does no one wanna come here? BECAUSE OF HIM AND CLARKE!!!!!!!!!!!

And yes, it was unprofessional. but who would expect anymore from these lot?

They haven't looked on here for a coupla years .
I got the impression they would go to community ownership , but would see how cole's due dilligance went first , so , now , community ownership is the go

Refs have been booed too (and in Wollongong this season, I think?). From what I've seen, the crowd criticism is definitely directed at the two coaches.

Players and coaches view themselves as one group. You boo at one , you are booing at all.

Another case of 'Lack of Transparency'.

You've got a Club that isn't willing to be transparent about a lot of issues, so the fanbase has to make assumptions which are either getting mis-interpreted or incorrect to begin with.

You've then got owners and players assuming that the fanbase hates the team, because the club has never considered asking questions of the supporters on what their problem is.

From reading half the posts across these Sixers threas for the past few months, the fans have absolutely no issue with the Players at all, but just the manner in which they are handled.

It would be nice if the sh*t was cleared from the air and the fans could actually let the players know that.

"Hey team, we DO actually like you guys and want to you hang around; we'd just like to understand what's holding you guys back from being the contenders we know you can be?"

@Anon404585, Cocaine is a Hell of a Drug. You should cut back.

I've never booed the team before and don't plan on it ever. I'm one of the people scratching his head at why you would need to go as far as booing in the first place.

@Anon404597, I've worked in a Corporate environment long enough to recognize a marketed/planned statement when I see one. I would hope that backing the coaches was a legitimate 100% truth, but I honestly think there's more to it. Publicly, you wouldn't say anything else because you cause more chaos that way.

Note to Sixers players - the crowd that pays money to come and see you play, wears your colours, buys your singlets and cheers whenever you do anything good is actually out to get you. Right. [roll eyes icon would be good about now]

Guess what, that same crowd that pays money to come and see you play, wears your colours, buys your singlets and cheers whenever you do anything good will continue to do so if you do more things that are good. Just as a test, see what happens if you don't cough up a 20 point lead at half time. Maybe even win a game once or twice a month and see what happens. You never know, jubilation may result. I expect tears of joy and relief across the stadium. But in your own minds they will still hate you. That is clearly the crowds fault.

If any player actually believed any of the above things, the crowd cannot help them. They need serious professional help.

@XY, I stood and I applauded.

From what I have seen it has been directed at the team

'659, I can't handle the truth of one fan abusing one person? And now I'm going to ask around and get the truth, which is still, as I said, that an absolute absolute minority are in the wrong.

No one would condone this behaviour. And similarly, I would hope that no one would extrapolate that behaviour to all supporters and flee the city because one person and some people booing the coach overrides an owner paying them and showing faith in their ability.

Look, I suspect you're very close to the coaches in some way (friend perhaps) and really hate seeing them cop criticism and the fact that they just haven't had the results. When was this Bg04 incident? Last home game? Has that toxic behaviour explained the results of the last two years and every game this season prior to the incident?

I don't think Marty would be using such excuses; I certainly hope not.

Most of the heckling I hear in my area comes from BJF and is directed at the refs and opposition! I'm not going to stop him. He pays more than me.

Anon, if you want to play the "you know I know the truth" line, aren't you going on biased, second-hand info? Aren't you not even in SA? I just bothered googling around to work out why this is an emotional reaction from you. You must know basketball in some capacity. Why the spiteful reaction of "All the players are going to leave your stupid town" when the *basketball* results are right out there for everyone to see. Please pick an alias and discuss using that so you aren't lost in the mess of anons.

These are results from a coached team across three seasons. The results are in black and white. The on-court strategy is designed by those coaches and executed by players picked by those coaches. There hasn't been a great deal of variation in starting line-ups to try to improve that - that's undeniable, the play-by-play info is there. Those results have been consistently poor - also an undeniable and unemotional assessment.

Other teams have suffered poorer budgets, narrow losses and fightbacks, similar disruptions and as many or more injuries.

Jumping on the "toxic court" junk, late in a third season, as some sort of "It's all your fault" line might be cathartic for you, but it will never win support for your cause. And if you know basketball, I don't even know why that is your key thrust when any fair assessment points predominantly at on-court troubles.

Just for the record you can remove me from any issues that Peach's wife has had with any fan. I posed with Peach after the game as I do most games with any players that I can and i have for 20 years andI have never abused a player or a fan. That is an absolute ridiculous accusation. The last game was the first time I have sat in those seats and couldn't even tell you who Peach's wife is. I've admitted to the statements I said to Radford which once again were pretty moderate compared to most the other heckling I hear on a weekly basis. If all you have got is to make up complete lies about me then goodluck!

"you better ask around and get a nice slice of humble pie when you here the truth, but you can't handle the truth"

What is this?
'A Few Good Men' ?

Tom Cruise is being played by Anon690
And who plays Demi Moore? Anon659 of course!

The same way you think it is yours to stand up for Isaac.

SO many anons
Please pick some sought of alias so that people can keep track of who is saying what.

These anonymous posts defending Clarke and Radford are laughable (read pathetic). If they are in anyway representative of the company Clarke and/or Radford choose to keep I want them gone more than ever. I might come to the last game just to heckle them and make player's wives cry - WTF

I remember getting court side seats a few years back. We had few beers. My mate had a few to many. We were playing Sydney. Shane heal was playing back then. Throughout the entirety of the game my mate reached levels of heckling I'd never seen before, all aimed fair and square at Shane heal. It was totally disgusting and embarrassing, but in the same breath incredibly funny. Shane copped it sweet for most of the game, gave the odd point when he nailed a three or dished an assist. He had the last laugh though cos his team won. My mate ate humble pie. But Shane heal earned our respect that night, took it all in his stride. Even walked past us at the end and gave us a knowing grin. Success is the ultimate come back for any heckling. This whole situation smacks of immaturity and softness. Kinda how the sixers are playing. Coaches reacting to this is a sign of weakness, toughen up. If the players are sooking cos of the boos that aren't directed at them, toughen up. If the coaches appeared to rip into the players instead of accepting mediaocrity, maybe supporters might see and feel the desire is there for success. This team could be a great team. And even the coaches acknowledge that. Management can't effect on court success once the team is on the floor. Coaches can. Inspire, motivate and strive for success. Do not accept mediocrity. Success will change everything, even the heckling.