That's a stupid comment. Ones a PG the others a SG so of course Pauls gonna get more people involved, just like Nash did.

Just like Kobe did a better job of shooting the ball than what Paul did. In the end as good as Paul is (and he's very very good), what has his teams done that you call him a winner?

Firstly Ingles, I'm pretty sure Giffen has played a part in that too. What about the clips last season? Dis they win it then? They had a deeper team than the lakers did in recent championships.

Um how many championships did Shaq win prior to joining with Kobe at the lakers? Zero! How many did Gasol win before joining with Kobe? Zero! So what's your point?

Who would of thought that the 8th seed lakers would have got close to 1st seed suns when that went to 7 games? They nearly knocked them off with the likes of Kwame brown, bill Walton, smush Parker and other no ones.

As skilled as Bynum is he has the heart of a pea. He didnt even play in the championship. Why even mention him?

Why mention Howard also as this teaming is only new.

Ok he played but numbers were low and didn't play that big a part of both playoff runs. So you're telling me that Bynum plays at an intense level? No way.

As for bringing up last ten years you mentioned these other players. Remember the 2001 - 2002 WCF finals against the spurs where winner was thought to win the finals? Kobe averaged 34 points at over 50% 7 rebounds and 7 assists. How is this being carried?

It's a stupid comment to make considering they play two different positions and one is near the end of his career and the other is 7 or 8 in (half of what Kobe is).

Are you for real this clippers team is clearly deeper than the lakers. You contradict your own comments. First you question if the clips are really that deep then you say the clips are that deep as veterans want to sign with cp.

No one wants to sign to play with a ball hog. Another stupid comment. Pretty sure Steve Nash is better than any of those vets you mentioned. Plus Jamison and Meeks took less money to play with a player that no one wants to play with. Oh and Dwight Howard the best centre in the NBA is happy to be there. Oh another thing the greatest coach of all time was wiling to come back and coach this player that no one wants to play for. I think odom would of cause he wanted to move back to LA so it was more location than cp3.

Think you need to get your facts right.

lol @ the guy who wants to use the argument that Shaq had zero titles before Kobe came along. He was a young guy then who was still maturing in his game. Even after a few years he already had Orlando in the Finals.

There is absolutely no doubt the first 3 titles were all about Shaq - as dominant as you will find during that period. Any other quality guard would've won rings as well in those years, it wasn't about Kobe.

What's next, saying that Jordan had no rings before Pippen?

Who is better between Paul and Kobe right now is an interesting one, but perhaps the best comment so far was the guy who said it's difficult because they play different roles.

I don't think today's game necessarily told us CP3 was better than Kobe (both were awesome IMO), rather it showed us the Lakers lack discipline in all areas of their game (defensive transition, rebounding, running optimal offensive sets) whereas the Clippers looked more refined, well-drilled and hungry.

I'm the guy who mentioned rings for Shaq and Paul before Kobe, the same one that mentioned the different positions and different points of career.

I'm a laker fan and I know the early years was about Shaq, but go back and watch how Kobes athelticism and ability to attack the paint and rim enabled Shaq to get easy points under the rim. Also when the games were close and near the end, Shaq was on the bench cause he couldn't hit a foul shot. So he wasn't the sole reason the lakers won. Kobe played a massive part, Phil jackson played a massive part. Even the likes of horry had big moments.

I mention it also cause ingles contradicts himself again saying that Kobe was carried cause he had other players help him win a championships but then uses the excuse that cp hasn't won any cause he hasnt had another player to help him.

You're last comment nailed it on the head. As a point cp played great as a shooting guard Kobe played great. If Howard could shoot foul shots lakers would have won (like other games) yet ingles doesn't mention that as a contributing factor. Nor does he mention pau's no show with two points at 16% shooting.

Why doesn't he mention that Paul did a poorer job of shooting the ball as he had 30 points at just 44% yet Kobe had 38 points at 60%???? isn't a shooters role to do that? Shooting that amount of points at that percentage, well anyone would take that, even Jordan.

The bottom line is that the lakers are a new group, new coach, new systems and are 7-3 in their last ten with two latest losses being by 5 at clippers and 6 at Oklahoma (minus Nash and Gasol) who are 1and 2 in the west. It's not even half way through the season. Who's to say the clippers didn't peak with that 18 win streak? I remember the year the mavs won it, the lakers were unstoppable after all star weekend yet look how that turned out. It's a bit early to talk MVP and champions. Season has a lot more to play out.

I'm saying they went on a winning streak that included a thumping at San Antonio. Didn't mention that they finished top at all. I'm stating they went on a streak like the clippers have, like Houston did in 08 where all of a sudden they're the team to beat and favorites.

Now going by you're thinking, if the clippers dont win a championship this year is cp still better than Kobe as his ability to be a "winner" would be poor considering he cannot win with a deep team full of help?

I laugh at your comment that you're gonna teach us all about why cp is better than Kobe cause you haven't said anything at all that supports that stupid and pointless comment. So please badketball teacher, educate me!

I don't even like Kobe and I think you're an idiot.

This argument is laughable. This is Kobe's 17th year in the NBA, and it can be argued that he's still in his prime. He's shooting as well as he ever has in his career. He is one of the greatest scorers of all time, has 5 rings to go with it. Chris Paul is 27, should be in the prime of his career right now. Kobe is in his 17th year and people should be expecting him to slow down but he's still doing his part. Kobe at 27 vs Paul at 27 is no contest, Kobe all day.

More for ingles to think about

Gold medal game 2008 Beijing against Spain. When the game was close and up for grabs, who took control? Pretty sure it was Kobe not the "winner" cp.

In th Beijing game, he shot a higher fg % than cp, higher ft % than cp, scored more points than cp, had more rebounds than cp, more assists than cp. He was regarded as the guy that stepped up when the game was on the line (by his peers too). Get your facts right, Kobe didn't hit just two shots. He was 7 of 14.

As for today's game

Cp shot a lower fg % and had 4 times as many turnovers if you want to get picky. As for defense, did you see cp's poor defense on Kobe when got switches? Pretty much got scored most times. Kobe spent a lot of time defending Paul and he scored @ 44% which is under his season average.

When you say 13 steals I assume you mean assists. So you can say let's not consider Kobe's high points or his high shooting percentage even though that's his positions role yet you state assists for cp as its part of being a point guard to do that.

You make so many contradicting and stupid comments that don't in no way validate your initial comment of Paul being better than Kobe now.

Your initial comment was that Kobe is overrated as a winner was it not (as well as cp being better than Kobe now)?

Well championships and the gold medal games are factual arguments that support how stupid your comment is.

So is the fact that you have nothing to back your argument with so you just say he's better. Also the fact that one person has not supported your comment, speaks volumes.

Hahaha who had the last laugh. Are you serious? Championships aren't won today or on opening weeks. I'm pretty sure the lakers will take their championships over the clippers 26-8 record.

I think the improvement in the lakers will be far more than what it will be the clippers by seasons end. Last ten games clips are 8-2 and lakers are 7-3. Don't be surprised if a trade takes place.

Also wait until the clippers actually win something other than regular season games cause in the end it's about the rings.

Let's hope the clips can win otherwise Paul will be nothing more than a failure when it comes to your thinking.

No I'm stating Kobe's accolades cause you said he's overrated winner. So to point out how dumb that comment is you have go back over his entire career.

As for leading his team, did u watch the game??? Majority of the offenses went through Nash first so there's another stupid comment with nothing to back it up.

Lakers fans might live in the past but in the end they win. Clippers have done jack sht and even winning today they've still done jack sht. At the end of the season when both LA teams walk away without a ring, you'll still be the team that's done jack sht period. Great teams talk about winning rings, teams that do nothing talk about regular season wins.

That being said why not compare Howard to Paul. They are closer to playing ages and are regarded as the best at their positions. That would make a little more sense but still stupid to compare differen positions. As for making sense, I should expect that from you as you haven't done it at night.

Least I back my argument with facts and figures.

James harden yeah right. How does that work? A shooting guard that scores less points at a worse percentage. That clearly shows he's a better shooting guard? Another stupid comment.

Well people would argue Westbrook could be better than cp. He's younger and his teams top of the NBA so explain that comment.

Oh and I'd take rose over cp when he's healthy

No the lakers are down there, not just Kobe. Once again dumb comment looking at the individual for team records. As shooting guards, Kobe is having a better season than harden. Houston have got off to a slightly better start but harden hasnt compared to Kobe.

Westbrook is better at other things than cp. Cp has a way deeper team with way more scoring options than anyone else in the league yet doesn't lead the league in assists. Wow he is failing big time. Imagine rondo at the clippers!

A support cast goes down the whole bench the depth lakers don't have. They didn't have Nash for most of season and gasols been out injured. Let's see the clippers record without their starting PG and PF. Pretty sure they wouldn't be 26-8 either

When was the last time Howard came back from back surgery? Watch the games moron he doesn't move like he used to. As I've mentioned, you say stupid things constantly. Kobe is having a great season. He's played on a team that has been far from settled. They haven't had Nash, missed Gasol and when he has played he's been injured and a limited Howard. Plus a coaching change and the structures that go with that and no depth. Yet they are 7 of last 10 with loses coming at clippers by 5 and at thunder by 6. Hardly poor losses.

So that must of meant Lebron was overrated two years ago as he couldn't win a championship with wade and bosh.

No one cares about scoring????? Another stupid comment. Last time I checked games are won on the scoreboard.

If Kobe was so worried about scoring why did he sit out the last game of the season when he could have played and probably scored enough to win the scoring title? Cause he's all about scoring.

Did you watch yesterday's game at all??? Kobe did not come out looking to shoot the ball at all. It was a lot of Nash and Howard. That got the lakers down 20 (with their poor defense). Then Kobe started to take over and actually got it back with shots Chris Paul, and pretty much anyone else in the league, dream about hitting. Paul will never be able to the things that Kobe has done on the court. Take a look at his age yet he's still pretty unstoppable one on one.

So Jordan averaged 6 rebounds and 5 assists over his career and Kobe has averaged 5 and 5 so does that mean Jordan wasn't that good cause he didnt do more of the "other" stuff?? Some players are there to be a scorer first.

So your argument for taking Paul over Kobe is stupid I think everyone has stated that. So if a team has rondo, rose, Westbrook, Williams or another elite point chances are they'd take Kobe as they have the PG position covered. Does that make sense why you're comment was and is stupid?

Another stupid comment. No one is hating on cp. In fact most people including me have said he is a very good player, arguably the best at his position. You're the only one hating - on Kobe.

Hmmm look at the players Pauls surrounded by compared to golden state. I guess what curry has done with golden state should mean he's more of a "winner" than Paul as his team is not as good, not as deep and doesn't have their starting centre (bogut).

So by you're arguments (as weak as they are) it means curry > Paul and you'd take curry right now.

Hmmm explain why Paul is better than curry. Going by your agrumemts curry is the better point guard that you'd take now. No comments on that cause it's true.

Skip bayless is a dck like most of those espn analysts ie smith and Broussard. Those three make stupid comments all the time. Byaless said last year that Howard isn't the best centre in the league - like you, a dumb comment.

My argument for westbrook was the fact that he does other things better than Paul and has a better record. I didn't say I'd take him over Paul. I said Id take a healthy rose. Also curry with your line of thinking.

Dwight not getting the ball???? the start of the game yesterday everything went through Dwight? He gets to the line and misses. Howard is great but he's a sook.

The lakers situation is due to buss, he's at fault. So is dantoni. Why come to a team and not have offense that incorporates Gasol in the right spots not on the perimeter? That's a huge problem. Not Kobe's fault, intact he is the one saying they need to give the ball to gadol more in the paint. Funny comment for a ball hog.

So it's Kobe's fault Nash was injured, dantoni was hired ahead of jackson, dantoni hasnt incoporated Gasol into the offense, Dwight is limited due to back surgery. Wow Kobe's like god with all that in his control

I think a moron > ingles

Ask us when pauls been in the league as long as Kobe with at least 5 rings cause as ingles says, he's more of a winner!

I'm sick of people defining being a "winner" by number of titles or number of "clutch" shots. Sure they are fun to talk about but there is a lot more to winning a title than any player's "winning" gene and there is a lot more to winning a game of basketball than shots made in the closing minutes.

Winning a title is about collective talent playing team-ball. Talent alone is not enough without a good team concept. Kobe has the rings and the clutch resume but the Lakers current struggles confirms that it isn't about one guy causing those results, it's how the team uses those talents to blend and work together with each other. Hopefully they can work out the kinks because it would be fun to watch such an assortment of talent play as one.

The Clippers are doing it better right now, but their 2 main pieces (CP3/Griffin) have had a season to work together whereas the Lake Show are trying to integrate major additions (Dwight, Nash) and a new coaching style.

The Lakers right now are the Miami Heat from a couple of years ago. Team outcomes lesser than the sum of the parts and non-stop drama/headlines because of all the star power. I guess they will be happy with a championship next year if that is the path they follow!

And the irony is, if it wasn't for David Stern, CP3 and Kobe would be team mates on the Lakers.

Wait till your bum buddy cp3 leaves the clippers next contract dumbass.

He owns LA.

You couldn't be any dumber could you ingles?

Oh wait yes you can, your life is hoops sa you are a piece of shit with no idea about basketball, I'd love a pickup game against you for cash you probably couldn't hit a jump shot to save your life. Just hate on forums.

Classic case of tall poppy syndrome, let me guess you hated lleyton Hewitt when he was in his prime? Hated the aussie cricket team when they dominated? You hate LeBron?? Hate Durant and Westbrook? If the clippers actually win a game in may you will jump off and hate them? You root for the underdog cause in life you are the underdog.

Massive dick

A crap Kobe just dumped > ingles13

Wow base and entire career an argument on two days play. What about last week then, where were you when warriors played clippers?

Golden state smashed them by 21 and curry beat Paul.

Curry had 31 points at 69% from the field including 6 three pointers at 75%. Also had more rebounds (6) more assists (8) so then last week Paul wasn't even the best player in the pacific?

Once again thats true if you go on your line of thinking. Remember golden state don't have the players or depth that the clippers do. Plus missing a very good centre in bogut. As for curry not being the best player on that team (another stupid comment once again - you're full of them), then who is?

You keep talking about Kobe leafing this team, have you not seen that it's Nash that runs the team? Maybe you need to watch some games first.

Also form your own opinions and learn about the NBA instead of running to see what so called experts such a bayless say so you can run on here and just copy it. You sound like a douche.

Lastly you neglected to answer the question about Lebron being a failure and not as good as Paul as he was unable to win with bosh and wade two years ago. So were you saying then that Lebron was overrated?

Durant hasn't won a title either with Westbrook, harden and a decent team. Does that make him a winner cause all that talent and no rings.

You totally contradict yourself with your arguments. According to your arguments the following are true

Last week curry was the best point in the pacific
Lebron was overrated to years ago
Durant is overrated.

Hahaha you wonder why people think youre a know nothing expert.



Maybe you should get a clue about basketball and stop listening to so call experts like bayless , who are considered laughable by some circles in the NBA, and just spitting out what they say.

Oh and will Paul be a failure if he cannot win a title after two years with strong rosters? According to your thinking, yes!

But if the clippers don't win the championship then who cares Paul would have still won nothing.

Why won't you answer the questions I've asked seeing how you're going to educate us all? Because you're wrong and have no answers and unless skip bayless says it, you have no opinions on the NBA that you can form yourself.

But if the clippers don't win the championship then who cares Paul would have still won nothing.

Why won't you answer the questions I've asked seeing how you're going to educate us all? Because you're wrong and have no answers and unless skip bayless says it, you have no opinions on the NBA that you can form yourself.

So spurs fan by you're way of thinking pauls more of a winner than Jordan cause he gets his team mates more involved?

Jordan averaged same assists as Kobe and have same attitudes in a lot of ways. Some of The guys that played with Jordan didn't even like him. Hell he punched one of them and threatened to kill another.

It's a stupid argument because as a point guard your job is to set up and distribute the basketball and as a shooting guard it's your job to shoot. So obviously Paul Is going to average more assists than Kobe.

Bottom line, clippers and Paul haven't won sht. This guy is rambling on at the start of January. Way too early to be talking sht.

And curry's start of the season is more impressive than pauls. Ingles should be raving about him.

What do you mean?

I guess ingles you sit there and watch Kobe score 81 and say what a hog rather than what an amazing game. Am I right?

Ingles I've read you're input on here and you come across as an idiot so I decided to look at some other posts, and sure enough you are an idiot. At least you're a consistent idiot.

Im the butthurt anon that you refer to but I reply because you post rubbish on here with very little facts and figures. You rely on skip bayless for your arguments. That's why when I asked you other questions about some NBA players you have not responded as you clearly have no idea.

Maybe think about a way to back up statements prior to posting them. You clearly have no idea and it shows.

Like him or not, no one in the NBA has the resume that Kobe has. He will go down as the greatest player of arguably the greatest basketball team. That's above some pretty damn good players over the year. Maybe you should appreciate what he has done and can do rather than being a douche. Lebron James and carmello Anthony both said that Kobe is the hardest worker they've seen. I remember when the Lakers lost in Miami a couple seasons back. When all the other lakers had left, Kobe was there til 3 in the morning shooting. The team lost yet the team weren't putting in the extra efforts he was.

Yes I'm a laker and Kobe fan, but I'm also a basketball fan. I can appreciate the other amazing players the NBA has to offer.

Ha ha cp3 better defender, put down the bong ingles.

Best play of the game when Kobe steals it runs the length if the floor then jams on cp3's little head. Ha ha 17 th year still the best player in the gym.

Ha ha ingles you lose every time.

Change ur name butthole only one anonymous poster agrees with you out of 50 and its probably you!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Kobe for MVP

MVP MVP MVP I can hear the chant now. Also where was Pau? The dude you say carries Kobe? That's right 12% shooting today geeeez must have a sore back from carrying the lakers.

Ok so answer this questions instead of avoiding them cause you know you're wrong.

Right now curry > Paul

Two years ago Lebron was a failure as a winner

Durant and paul will be failures as winners if they don't win this year

Educate us all on these comments like you keep telling us teacher.

Statistically curry is as good as Paul with a good record. They have had a bigger rise so far this season than the clippers. Curry plays on a less talented team with less depth and without their starting centre who is top 5 for his position in the league. Therefore right now curry > Paul. Or are you just using your own arguments to suit your point but it doesnt apply when it proves you wrong.

Lebron a semi failure??? What a joke of a comment there. I was talking about firstnyear at Miami when he failed to win with bosh and wade. Was he a failure then?
Anyone would take Lebron over paul anyway but according to you Paul is more of a winner.

So Durant will be a failure if he doesn't win it this year?

Why won't Paul be a failure if they don't win it? Two years in the system with the deepest team in the league. How is that not a failure. A good teams rolls more than 3 or 4 deep.

Fuck I'd love to bash you ingles........

You are a pathetic individual!

And quit typing lol you fucking little homo

So why are the bricks when Kobe shoots. Yes he had 29 points @ 44% yet Paul had 30 points at 44% so why aren't they bricks too?

Plus moron Kobe shoots a higher field goal and three point % than paul. So wtf is Paul throwing up retard? I guarantee that the degree of difficulty on Kobe's shots fat exceed pauls.

So what's pauls excuse for shooting the lower percentages compared to someone who throws up bricks?

So why are the bricks when Kobe shoots. Yes he had 29 points @ 44% yet Paul had 30 points at 44% so why aren't they bricks too?

Plus moron Kobe shoots a higher field goal and three point % than paul. So wtf is Paul throwing up retard? I guarantee that the degree of difficulty on Kobe's shots fat exceed pauls.

So what's pauls excuse for shooting the lower percentages compared to someone who throws up bricks?