2 min to go and they are up 1 point
don't tell me they will lose another game after being up by 21 points.

this is laughable if it were not so disappointment

Regardless of the fact the team on the floor get the wobbles it comes back to the coaches being able to give the team some confidence in these situations surely?

This is an outrage!

A 'Sack Marty' thread BEFORE the game is finished.

Mods please remove!

He has to go, surely. This is a joke now, how many leads have we blown this season so far?

Must say that last quarter by Adelaide was an absolute mess, but did we expect anything else.

Marty really can't coach when the pressure is on. Either that or the players don't listen to his message.

What about now Marcus?

If you couldn't see that loss coming with 2 minutes to go, you weren't watching the same game I was.

The boos after the full time buzzer really didn't go for long enough.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there didn't seem to be a lot of support for the 36ers even when they were up by 19. It feels, at least through the television set, that the Adelaide crowd believe for some reason that the NBL and the 36ers owe them these wins, and they shouldn't have any part in trying to get their team over the line. Thoughts?

^That's not the topic of this conversation. get off my thread. make your own thread.

How can the coach be at fault when the players on court can only manage 5 points. At some point the players need to take some of the heat.

If they needed to save $20k on CJ, surely the only reason Marty is still there is to save money on the payout and hiring of interim coach.

My guess is that people who wonder how the coach can be blamed, haven't played a sport while being coached by a crappy, uninspiring "coach". It does make a difference.

The coach is responsible for the strategy. What was the strategy tonight ?

Wasn't at the game but was watching the live scores and I just couldn't believe what I was seeing. It will be interesting to see what the 2nd half really looks like when I see the replay (currently we're up 21-14 with 40 left in the 1st).

How many turnovers in the 2nd half?? We had 18 to the Breakers 10 in the game. The Breakers scored more in the 3rd (19) than we did in the entire 2nd half (17). 5 points in the last period from a professional basketball team, are you kidding me??

I think they need a shrink not a coach. They are gone mentally. If they were golfers at least they could get a broomstick putter.

Played well in 1st half best I've seen all season,then second half was their worst for many years.Thats why NZ are top,they compliment well in their defence pressure,that won the game tonight ,Adelaide failed under pressure yet again......up by 20 something points at half time .poor effort by sixers tonight.

Quincy, thats because the Breakers have a coach who can make adjustments.

...and Melbourne Boy hits the nail on the head. /thread

I think the relative lack of posts here kind of tells the story. People are just sick of this, massive lead drops and slow/bizarre subs. Its getting harder to care, you just almost expect to lose now.

Pretty much sums up how I feel about it these days Josh...

ive gotten over losing and watching the same crap by clarke. now its actually a joy to watch him drop games. if the club dont make changes, then ultimately who's fault is it?

I believe as supporters/members etc, that if clarke can give a recommendation to let go a player like CJ, then its in the members hands to force the club to let go the coach.

Failure to do that, and the boos and jeering continue. We pay $325/$375 to watch a season of basketball. If money is so flippent, then watch the members drop off again like last year.

Finally, if i decide to boo and jeer and call out 'sack marty clarke', thats my opinion and its valid because like other paying supporters, my opinion counts. If you're an NBL fan who loves the 36ers but doesnt go, then thats fine, but dont be-grudge us for choosing to not believe in a coach who loses games and is good at it

If they don't get rid of this prick the club will lose all respect from the basketball community. No strategy, shit rotations and no concept of how to finish off a game. 21 point half time lead and NZ adjusted their game, but that useless prick Clarke could not counter. Good crowd there trying to show some support and guts from the players, but without direction from our great coach

Marty should write a book
Title - 101 ways to lose a basketball game-

Agreed. The only thing lower than his win percentage is the percentage of support he receives in a typical thread like this.

It's not disappointing seeing them lose anymore. You can't be disappointed with something you expect.
It's somewhere between infuriating, laughable and disgraceful.
There was a play early in the last quarter where we bounced it around for the full 24 seconds, then jacked up a shot. There was no movement, no offense, they were purely just running down the clock. I knew at this point, without a shadow of a doubt, that we were going to lose. We were 12 points up at this point.
You see the same thing unfold every single game. You don't know whether to laugh, cry, boo, yell, or just get up and leave.
I used to absolutely love going to watch the Sixers play. It was the highlight of my week and I would never miss a game regardless of whatever I had on. In the last couple of seasons, we have given away our season tickets and progressively gone to games less and less. In the last couple of months, I've been looking for excuses to not go to a game. The only reason I went tonight was for the $10 ticket. I will now not go to another Sixers game this season. I refuse to pay money to see these guys, coached by those guys.

I've said enough about this coach. I am officially exercising my right to say not another word. After all, my comments are only a drop in the ocean amongst all the others. Keep up the good work everyone. it should guarantee us a change of coaches next season. I just hope we don't lose half our team.

https://www.change.org/petitions/to-the-management-of-the-adelaide-36ers-remove-marty-clarke-and-mark-radford-as-coaches-from-the-adelaide-36ers

#442 what a great post! Is anybody from SOS listening here? What are you waitin for?

Time for coaching change now!!!!!!
Not at the end of the season!!!!!

Just finished watching on One HD.

Gaze is correct - that was hard to watch; like a car accident.

This club is in all sorts.

maybe marty will be fighting a bear at half time next week to pay that guy and help with attendances?

Sack Marty and get Joey wright we have all the blaze players anyway and he knows how to win

Please one of the former 36ers like Brooks or Sapwell, volunteer to coach the side for the remainder of the season so we can pay out Clarke and Radford, for the good of the club, the coach couldn't run Davis out of town who is the 36ers, the club is bigger than the coach

I don't want to mention how much shit I have copped over the last 2yrs saying he had to go ;)

Was watching the delayed telecast with a friend. They said that if Adelaide were up 15+, it'd be OK. Up 10-14 and NZ would get them. We were up 14. Lost. Could see it coming that entire last quarter and the fear grew in the team. Hudson has killed us before as well, when he was with the Blaze.

I think we need cooler heads right now.

I get that everyone is emotonal...

Thats why in the game thread I suggested people go watch the game again (when calm) and then come back.

You will see where the players made significant mistakes that the coach can teach and coach and lecturer but the players still make mistakes.

1) Post entry passes were woeful.

I am sure Clarke and Radford did not teach entry passes like that.

2) Full court pressure.

Cadee made a cross court pass to a team mate guarded closely by Jackson???

3) Inability to block out.

ADL had a HUGE rebound advantage at half time, at games end it was 41 each. How is Boucher able to keep the ball alive against DJ and Schensh?

Marty is not faultless.

I can accept that this is a failing at all levels of the 6ers team.

I CANNOT accept that this is 100% on Marty / Mark.

The import for NZ is quality and made the difference in the end with creativity, but Johnson taking three point shots at the end? You have got to be joking?
Wide open shots but no rebounders?
No Brains

I have to agree with what Marcus Camby has said above, especially those three incidents. A post entry pass from Gibbo into Luke was absolutely horrible for a National pg. But I also saw Luke try and make a cross keyway pass under pressure which was ugly and Caddee's pass across court was not on and to be honest the blocking out on the defensive end in that last quarter was atrocious!!!
The main culprit for not blocking out was DJ and you could see the frustration on Gibbo's face. But Marty made the right move by taking him off with 5 minutes to go.
But a lot of these things come from structures which goes back to the coach.
Never try and make a low post pass from the top of the key.
Have better options for Luke to pass to from the low block.
Have structures in place when a full court trap is being put on, shit you get taught that in under 14's!!!
And boxing out again is taught in juniors, it's about desire and wanting to do it.
I personally get frustrated watching DJ play, almost always have. But go back to the start of the season and watch some of DJ's games early on, he boxed out and went after rebounds like a Vukona...ok maybe not quite like Mika, maybe Boucher....ok maybe not like Boucher, maybe Pledger, but he did box out and he rebounded.
That has gone. And that goes back to the coaches teaching him good habits.
The team right now are like someone said earlier, a ship without a rudder.
At half time I said to myself I wouldn't be surprised if they lost this.
There is no c*@t in this team. No personality, no character what so ever. They have all been turned into emotionless robot's.
The only player's that show any type of emotion are Creek and Petrie and Creek is gone and Petrie players nowhere near as many minutes as he should.
Any player that shows emotion is gone, just ask Holmes and Simpson.
Was such a good decision not to renew my season ticket this season.
Rant over!

Heard Avery Johnson is available

It's nice that Marcus Camby is so loyal to Marty. It is the loyalty that Malfoy showed Voldemort and almost as much as Goering and Himmler.

There are two sayings that come to mind.
"A bad tradesman blames his tools"
"There are no such things as bad soldiers, just bad generals"

The Sixers had an excellent first half. Probably the best basketball they have played for years. BUT, when the game style of the Breakers changed, the style of the Sixers remained the same.

The players will only play to what they are told. If they are not executing the plan, then they should be dragged and someone else put on (responsibility of the coach). If they are not finishing off well, maybe they need a short break or time out and some motivation to get them going (responsibility of the coach). If they are tired because they have been on court too long, give them a sub, or make sure the rotations are such that it doesn't happen (responsibility of the coach) If they can't handle pressure situations, then that's what you practice (responsibility of the coach)

The coach needs to understand the strengths and weaknesses of his team and the opponent's team. Make a plan to exploit his strengths and magnify the opponent's weaknesses. When your opposite number makes a move that is not in your plan, your plan is adjusted to make amends to counterattack.

Coaching is about two key areas.
1. Skills transfer/development
2. Strategy

Marcus, couldn't have said it better myself.

Why is there no praise for Marty / Mark when we win? It's the players won etc, but the coaches lost.

Maybe fans should go and ask the players what they think? A new coach and we could see an exodus of players come end of the season.

"A new coach and we could see an exodus of players come end of the season."

and the worst result of that would be a bad season but hold on we have just had 3 pathetic seasons by Clarke!

The players are professionals, well I hope they are anyway. The players that are contracted for next season will have to play. The players that are free agents well that is their decision and if they don't want to be here that is fine we will get other players and a decent coach. Players will have to actually earn their minutes! Also the teams success with a new coach can only go up from here. I don't think its possible to get any worse.

To say the players might leave is weak scare tactics to endorse the worst coach in the Sixers history and up there with the worst coach in the NBL's history.

Why is there no praise for Marty / Mark when we win?

Agreed KJ. I'd also add that it is a much simpler task to replace a couple of disgruntled players than it is to replace two thousand alienated supporters.

Bizzy, I think in year 1 there was quite a lot of praise for Marty. The Sixers are the bogey side of Perth and there has been praise for Radford in that area.

If you (anon) think any owners are enjoying these results, you are insane. Massive pressure on the club.

Jack Toft...to be clear I have no affiliation with Marty, nor does Marty 'know' my mother.

I have always advocated a broad autopsy of the result, not just on the coach.

Its too easy to just say its the coach, conversely, I would never say its all Gibbo's / DJ's / Cadee's fault. There are several incidents / factors that contributed to the result last night.

Lets learn from it, and move forwards and onwards.

We know this team is good enough.

TSV next...there is no way the 6ers can lose thrice to the Crox.

Carn...Marty and Team.

Marcus, I think we all admire your devotion to Martin.

You don't happen to be a VHS salesman?

Jack...I'm terrible @ sales.

I couldn't sell water to a dying man in the desert.

But thats the problem marcus marty doesn't learn from his mistakes cos' he doesn't think he makes mistakes. How can we go onwards and upwards doing the same thing every game any sane person realises you can't keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. We were only 3 points down with about a minute to go how hard is it to draw up a play to inbound the ball at near the half way line set up a screen for a three point shot have a couple of rebounders around the basket in case it missed maybe for a lay up or kick it back out to the three point line if enough time or open player. It might not have worked but it would have had a better chance of working than dribbling the ball around for 20secs and putting up a heavily contested shot which is what happened NZ got the ball and next thing we know we are 5 points down.

I had a conversation with a good friend from Whyalla when they played the Hawks in Wollongong a few years ago.
We discussed that Coaching is 3 qtrs Technical/training, but the key qtr ingredient is generating the belief in oneself , the team and the system.
The coach has to inspire 99% of players in 1 or all of these beliefs, unless the individual is very unique.

What I had seen of the Coach Clarke back then did not provide any evidence of having that final part and the team structure seemed aimless.
Note: This was in his first year, my friend said they had a three year plan etc.
So I said well good luck but I could not see how he was going to change.
Duly noted noted that Beverage was struggling in his first few years in the NBL , coming from coaching juniors/young men to having grown men to coach/manage.

year or so later - have not seen any change or 3 year plan improvement.

Change is necessary, so given the players have been chopped and changed with the same results as the out come. then the next step is the coach.

SOS are still learning their role in this great team and sport realm, hopefully they will listen at least to the fans. $$ permitting.

The Hawks nearly disappeared, so I would be the first to say keep the coach if it means no team next year if you get rid of him.

Maybe you need 500 -1000 individuals becoming the new owners each putting in $5000.

Anyway good luck with your new import -The last role of the dice.

Sack Marty now. Get Brett Maher and Phil Smyth til the end of the season.

I LOVE the "mass exodus of players" thing pro-Marty's are using. I wouldn't care if most of the team walked to tell you the truth. Maybe Luke, Gibson and Drew can stay, but even if those 3 walked I would not shed a tear, especially Gibson.

Speed44...Gibbo is your clutch player, your toughest defender and your go to man.

You let him go and next year you'll be yelling 'Sack ' for letting Gibbo walk.

BTW...I am not one of those people who believe an Mass exodus would happen.

Marcus, for the same money Gibson is probably on we could probably get Ervin or an import point guard who could offer similar.

I would like Gibson to stay but if he decides to leave due to the fact that his heart is broken that they let his beloved coach Clarke go, then that is fine with me. Having said that I think Gibson has the opportunity to play a number of years here and the chance, if he has the motivation, to be considered one of the best that played here. However, that goal is up to him but if he sits back and coast then his career will fizzle out. A new coach will give him the chance and motivation to prove him self and show how talented he really is.

Is it a coach thing when our last 2 coaches plus the end of Smyth era haven't produced results?

Bizzy, are you subtly pointing at the elephant in the room, the one with $$ painted on its skin and masking the big brown bags presumably filled with money.

The club needs a new CEO, Phil Harper might be worth a punt and he apparently has some experience coming up with creative solutions to salary cap constraints.

KingJames...

Yes...for Gibbos money you can find the next Ervin, the next Tywain McKey, even the next Cedric Jackson.

Two issues however come to mind.

1) 'Bird in the hand' scenario.

You need to find these gun imports first, and as you know, its a crapshoot. Money (Gibbo's money) doesn't always find the best imports.

On the other hand, you have an Olympian who is a top 3 defender in the league, a go-to guy who WANTS the ball when the chips are down and is clutch.

Gibbo is here now, he is investment in the team as well as his head coach and he wants to win.

2) Keeping the imports.

Finding good imports is hard enoug, keeping them within the NBL caps is a whole different challenge.

Apart from Lisch, are there any gun imports who have stayed MORE than 2 years?

Again...Gibbo is more likely to stay.

Of course I am looking longer term and lower risk, with potentially lower returns.

You can of course hit the jackpot like Gordie did with Twywain in 2010.

i say anyone single coach from anywhere could do better with this team.

Even the u12 boys Woodville coach?

Times like these we need a super hero to believe WHwere is the guy in the red suit . Think blokes call him SPICEY if my hearing is right