Lol. I was about to post something on the boys div 1.

Ok Punters, the junior teams have just played round 9 which means that all clubs have played each other once. Knowing this is Christmas week and with all the CD's and JDO's getting together to knock the top off a Crownie or three, I thought I would work out who has the bragging rights in the boys Div 1 (U12 to U18).

Gold Medal: Sturt
Top of the table in 3, 2nd to Centrals in U14. Played 35, Won 33, Drew 1, Lost 1 (Win rate of 96%, Game % of 183%)

Silver Medal: Norwood
Average ladder position of 5.5 (8, 7, 4, 3) Won 46%, Game % 106%

Bronze Medal (on recount) Mavs
Average ladder position of 5.5 (2, 3, 10, 7) Won 46%, Game % 91%

The Rest:
4. Woodville 5.75 Ladder; 44% Wins; 92% Game %
5. Forestville 6.00 Ladder; 49% Wins; 101% Game %
6. North 6.00 Ladder; 49% Wins; 96% Game %
7. Centrals 6.25 Ladder; 39% Wins; 81% Game %
8. South 6.25 Ladder; 37% Wins; 90% Game %
9. Southern 6.50 Ladder; 40% WIns; 89% Game %
10. West 4.70 Ladder; 57% Wins; 96% Game %
(Placed 10th due to not having an U12 Div 1 team)

Yes its a Sturt person but it is a good start I think... If they were down the bottom you would be slagging them off.

Eagles will be up there and take state champs again - will win state girls and reserve girls - sturt will get state and reserve boys. But eagles will win with more convincing results

THEY RELEASED DATE FOR STATE CHAMPS ?

Sturt are doing well in all grades.
So hopefully the will not be on the hunt to poach more players from other clubs.

Executive at Southern have been screwing the program for more than 18 months.

Actually it is somewhat suprising as most of the good players from last years U14 team went up to U16's and this same group 2 years ago didnt make finals.

What is suprising is that the U16 group has not won more games.

Div 2 Boys. (the second team for a club has been removed as have Western Magic , so it is just the first Div 2 teams for the full clubs) The ladder positions have been rejigged, but no changes to the game scores.

Gold Medal...... Sturt

Ave Ladder of 1.3 Played 36, Won 34, Lost 1, Drew 1. Win% of 96%, Game % 204%

Silver Medal: Forestville
Ladder 3.5, Win 65%, Game 137%

Bronze: Norwood
Ladder 4.0 Win 60%, Game 121%

The Rest.....
4. North 4.5, 64%, 124% - playing better than Norwood, but Norwood higher on ladders.
5. West 6.3, 33%, 72%
6. Southern 6.8 39%, 83%
7. Woodville 6.8 38% 62%
8. Centrals 7.3 33% 77%
9. South 7.5 25% 81%

10 Mavs 7.5 33% 85% (placed under South due to 3 of 4 teams)

Together...
1. Sturt 1.25, 96%, 192%
2. Forestville, 4.75, 57%, 116%
3. Norwood 4.75, 53%, 112%
4. North 5.13, 56%, 108%
5. Woodville 6.25, 41%, 77%
6. Tigers 6.63, 39%, 86%
7. Centrals 6.75, 36%, 79%
8. South 6.88, 31%, 86%

9. West 5.46, 44%, 83%
10. Mavs 6.50, 40%, 89%


Well done to Sturt.

"playing better than Norwood, but Norwood higher on ladders". WTF are you on about Jack, you're losing your touch lately champ.

North have won more games, but Norwood are sitting higher than them on average on the ladders

You guys are all wankers without a life {though you do make for some entertaining reading} LOL
Who gives a toss how many have won what, isn't it about kids enjoying sport, oops sorry the sturt parents care about dominating, because its all about the results for how much money they have pumped into the club for little johnny to get a game, but oh no sorry their kid got dropped from ones to twos because the club decided they weren't winning by enough so they poached some players
Wwwaaahhh now we are crying because johnny was promised this and you only delivered that, but thats ok we believe in your programme and lies, for now anyway Ha Ha ha ha ha

Basketball in this state would be so much better without sturt and forrestvile, why don't you 2 go start your own comp , Boring pro relegate, just play against each other, thats your ultimate dream , you don't give a stuff about this state and development you just care about yourselves and your own petty results

these people are the ones that push the benchmark.

otherwise you would have your social league.

i cant see who posts other than someone with a basketball and mathematical interest

Comparisons will always be made and discussions held. Isn't it better to have a neutral third party assist to ensure the facts are discussed, not perception?

Sturt have done very well with a win rate of 96% of games played - very impressive. I would suggest that the rest of the competitors in the boy's competition is relatively close. JDO's and CD's will always compare season to season and look at groups coming through their system to see how they are going.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The Sturt play style is very predictable, pretty simple and basic, but very effective in its delivery.

Good work Jack on the wins% as a basis. Do you have a similar results based package for the girls as this would be much closer with Forestville probably on top.

Well said Tosser.
Basketball will not continue to grow as a sport while Sturt and Forestville continue to poach players from other clubs.

Also its not good for player development when you play in a strong team that wins so easily each week.
Players will only develop with a hard pressure game each week which will only happen with an even competition.

Girls to come. It's crazy week this week so close to Christmas

To Tosser, Concnerned, anon #393252 and anon #393283,

How exactly do you measure the performance of your program? And assess your decisions over your junior prorgam?

You people all talk like those people who were in charge at my previous club. When I went to them and asked why we are doing poorly and losing players which affected my kids team they told me that its because they think juniors is for fun and that everyone should just train when they want and enjoy themselves and that seniors is where it matters. Then I found out exactly how much of our junior fees went into paying the senior program and how many people in our senior program were from elsewhere.

I see district basketball as elite level baskteball. We train twice every week, play 40 weeks of the year and it costs us as a family nearly $2500 per child just to do the minimum. And thats before tournaments and camps.

To then turn around and say that we should all be happy and let evenone be equal is a joke. We could just play social basketball for less than a quarter of that and we would be no worse off.

If your child wants to be good at the sport, it starts at a young age. And if you make that commitment and your local club is not, what are you suppose to do?

We chose to take our kids to a club that had the processes we thought would best suit our kids long term needs.

If our previous club had of had those same values, we would never have moved. So to heap blame on those clubs because they provide a better service is just plain wrong when your club doesnt even want to try and give kids an elite pathway, because it is your own choice, not some outside influence making kids leave.

everybody loves a winner

Tosser, by name and by nature it seems...

Do you teach your kids to play sport to have fun and just enjoy themselves regardless of whether they win or lose? I'm sorry to burst your bubble and bring you hurtling back to reality, but sport is COMPETITIVE, Tosser...

It's attitudes like yours that are hurting the very core of Australian sport at all levels. It's NOT ok to lose. You should be teaching kids that winning is EVERYTHING. If you don't win, you work your butt off so next time, you give yourself every chance to win. If you don't win again, keep working harder until you do.

This "it's OK to lose" culture we are teaching our kids today is a disgrace.

Sturt is a dominant club and they should be very proud because they simply work harder than their competitors. I reign from a dominant VIC club, where as a junior, we had some epic battles with Sturt. Every other club from every other state were sub-par in comparison.

Makes me so flippin angry reading comments like yours. "Don't worry that you lost. All that matters is you had fun" F that!!! That's loser talk from people who are happy with mediocrity.

Sounds like jealousy to me, Tosser...

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Gaylord,

We need to separate a commitment to a sporting team, to what happens in life.

sometimes you can lose but still win - it's called sportsmanship.

The point is, in a sporting environment.it's great to play a competitive game and win, but winning isn't everything, sometimes you lose and that is ok too.

In life, What kind of example are you ('you' in the rhetorical sense) setting kids if winning is EVERYTHING?Then a situation occurs where there may not be a clear winner, you havent given them any ground to accept the fact that they may not conquer every mountain.

basketball means different things to different people.

Isn't Div 1 meant to be providing for those kids that have 'intrinsic competitiveness'?

If so why do those clubs that preach and practice playing nice and performing badly supprised when families move to those clubs that provide them with what they need?

So who is it that Norwood and Forestville cant walk into a Stadium with the State Coaching Director and yet are able to poachmore players and perform worse?

No one is suggesting that.

Where is the fun in turning up to trainings when half you team dont bother?

Why put in the extra work when you club doesnt recognise that its about performing well.

How wants to spend money on elite level sport and get participation level results.

I changed because my kids were hating losing each week because the club and team didnt really seem to care.

It was pretty much move to another club, or watch my kids stop enjoying themselves and move to another sport.

GIRLS Div 1 and 2 combined (no ladder position)

Forestville (11 teams) P 93, W 74, D 1 (80% wins, 182% Game)
Sturt (10) 74%, 168%
Norwood (8) 44%, 87%
West (8) 40% 76%
North (8) 38% 89%
Southern (8) 30% 75%

Mavs (6) 68% 133%
South (6) 34% 62%
Centrals (5) 21% 56%
Woodville (3) 23% 51%
Magic (1) 72% 131%

Most dominant team
U16-2 Forestville 2 9/9 Game % 419.7% - very well done girls
3 Forestville teams and 2 Sturt teams undefeated

Being a parent of a kid at one of the 2 teams prominently mentioned.

I would love to see a junior competition that didn't have 2 dominant clubs. I would also love to see the top team of a div 1 comp not beat the bottom team by 100 pts. is it the fault of these 2 clubs? i think not. club envy is only the result that you and your club are not doing the work that these clubs are. Look at your own club and maybe help them get to where they need to be. you finish where you deserve.
Bear in mind also that the facilities of these clubs are probably the best in Adelaide, which is the saddest part of it all.

To those of you who are getting stuck into A Parent. Perhaps you are the reason that parents such as these are leaving your club. District basketball is a "competition".

If you don't want it to be a competition, then start your own social non-competition. Don't have scoring then you don't need goals. May not even need a ref. see how long that lasts.

Anonymous
Obviously you are a very worldly basketball person and I am only a paying parent of no basketball background. I know who owns the stadiums. I also know who pays to go into them. I am also acutely aware of why parents send their kids to the more successful clubs. Even going from one of the two big clubs. To the other. All clubs are responsible for their own outcomes. Stop putting down the successful clubs. Appreciate the effort they are putting in to their juniors. Appreciate that they are creating benchmarks for the other clubs to exceed. They are NOT responsible for the failure of the other clubs.
Think about this. My kid played school basketball in a school competition at a local stadium after school. This stadium hosts a club that is not as successful as others. We were approached by a club as to whether my child would come and play for them. This club is one of the top two. It wasn't the club that played at the stadium!
I repeat. You finish where you deserve.