Haines not available for some if not all, Troy out injured again. Devlin barely back surely not fit enough for finals. McDonald and Filmer would be looking at SEABL finals.

agree with the above Haines unavailable for most of the finals especially gf as he will be in London for paralympics

Filmer & Macdonald will have their hands up for SEABL appointments

Devlin would have to be doubtful fitness wise, Troy out for season.

Leaves Durant, Dyson,Just, Wieland and alot of untrieds

Frost (Mark)
Domekia
White
Gillings

The problem is the next tier after this group no longer referee.

Neither do the tier after that.

We have two whole 'generations' of referees that got to ABA level then walked away from the game.

What we have left is a few referees barely at ABL level and certainly not ABA Finals quality.

Import some referees from Victoria for finals.

#233 has hit the nail on the head. We have a huge gap between the nine names in the post above mine, and the rest. After that there is a whole crop of referees who have been refereeing ABL for some time now, when reality is they are not up to it. Most of these should still be learning their trade at junior level.

#233 has hit the nail on the head. We have a huge gap between the nine names in the post above mine, and the rest. After that there is a whole crop of referees who have been refereeing ABL for some time now, when reality is they are not up to it. Most of these should still be learning their trade at junior level.

Ireland ???????

The problem is that because of the shortage of decent referees, there is a big difference between simply being an ABL ref and "being an ABL-standard ref".

This is the problem. Some of these guys have been pushed ahead way before they were ready. As a result, their arrogance continues. Some of these guys need a reality check.

If I was a div 2 player and all of the div 1 team left, I'd be a div 1 player. This does not automatically make me a better player, just means I'm playing out of my depth.

"If I was a div 2 player and all of the div 1 team left, I'd be a div 1 player. This does not automatically make me a better player, just means I'm playing out of my depth."

Actually in most cases your club would see that they don't have div 1 level players and not nominate a div 1 side.

Doesn't work that way for refs.

Actually in most cases they would not do that at all. There are teams at the bottom of Div 1 in pretty much all age groups that should not be there. Unfortunately most clubs continue to nominate them because under BSA policy they have a right to play Div 1. This is why rubbish clubs cpntinue to argue against pro/rel.

Sorry, but you're off the mark there.

"Actually in most cases your club would see that they don't have div 1 level players and not nominate a div 1 side."

If only that was the case & maybe we wouldn't have 80 point blowouts in div 1. But that's another story.

And then clubs drop their top side to div 2 and still get abused on here.

So clubs can't win either way.

Wrong. it's not the fault of the clubs. They are just working within the guidelines laid out by BSA. Introduce pro/rel and the problem is solved.

Look, this has been done to death here and is off topic in any case. It won't be fixed any time soon.

Rubbish answer this then. Do you honestly believe any of those 4 would be refereeing BigV games?

Because they wouldn't and that's the point. They aren't as good as they/you think.

the younger refs who get on here and talk themselves up do themselves a great disservice..
The thought that you are at the level to do finals is laughable.

Rubbish, you are talking rubbish. You are proving the point that we are trying to make. Those guys are nowhere ready, and talking them up like that only makes the problem worse. Some of the refs that are already doing ABA are not ready, but they're still doing it.

Refereeing in SA is in a bad way, and as a result refs are officiating games that they shouldn't be doing. Please don't make it worse!

Rubbish they're not even close, not even for women.

Just proving how over-rated you all are.

The real issue is them being fast tracked.

Why have the people in front stopped? Was it work, availability or something within BSA that needs to be fixed?

Rumour is M Gibson and N Bridgeman on the mens gf. Can this be confirmed....

The Ref I had for a district game couldn't even fill in the form with her first and last name, probably because she knows she's so biased one day it will come back to haunt her... Some great ump/refs out there trying their hardest to improve their trade, their profile, the image of their job.. Others out there are disgustingly lazy biased and GOD minded obsessed with "teaching lessons" and club hating...

BSA needs to pull rank and work harder to weed out the rot before the habits become ingrained..

Great panel, although let's all hope that one of those reserves is not required.

As expected outside the National Panel crew SA refereeing is in serious trouble.

Really.... Ireland?
Poor girl has no communication skills, and i honestly wonder how she gets a game week in week out.
But than again, look at the reserves.....

All fair points, but she's still a significant step up on her other half.

So after all the complaing about the NBL 50 game rule, none of the Grand Final referees have refereed more than 50 games.

One is overseas and one is interstate doing SEABL Semi's over this State's Grand Final.

what the ref of the year in the women doesnt get the gf

shouldnt have been umpire of the year, couldnt ref a monkey fight

Bring back Wayne!!

I say BSA needs to regularly audit and review all umpires (without them knowing) so they can assess developmental areas and rate umpire experience by fact not fiction.