YES!!

I got my reserves program last week in time for Round 13.

I understand BASA are busy, have had teams pull out etc, but surely they can get them out soon...?

I got my reserves one too, only up until round 18 though :-/

if a team pulls out in a higher grade - can a team from a lower grade move up - if they request?

Anonymous, could you explain that please? If BASA is not responsible for the draw, who is? And why would someone be forced to take leave if they are an employee (contractor I could understand)? Not bagging, just curious.

Solution: domestic comps.

If the district comp was limited to, say, 3 divisions, and each club fielded teams of extra players in a domestic competition, then there would never be a need to withdraw teams from district, as if district players pulled out, they could be replaced with players from the domestic comp.

The problem is, we try and mix elite and social basketballers in the same (district competition), and end up with a product which isn't suitable for either. Why should withdrawing a division 5 team delay the distribution of a division 1 schedule, and vice versa?

domestic competition. what a great idea, and they could call it City South...

kudos to Sturt and Forestville

Anonymous- pls don't take this personally, but it seems that every problem is only partly BASA's fault and the majority of blame to others.
You suggest I start at club level- just goes to show that you know even less about me than I know about you.
When can we expect a program- after all, BASA have some full-time employees-don't they?

Absolutely! We need to prove that the profit to be made from domestic comps (due to increased player numbers) will outweigh the money lost due to a lower number of district teams.

Is BASA's permission as such necessary? There are now at least four clubs invloved in domestic competitions. More will follow.

If the clubs individually go on this path BASA will be forced to accept that they have lost control and that the clubs are putting development ahead of profit.

In the long term domestic comps in Melbourne have led to a huge increase in playing numbers and that has led to an increase in size of the Basketball Victoria run competitions.

BASA's "permission" is necessary for at least two reasons.

Firstly, the clubs own BASA, so it wouldn't be wise for the clubs to make decisions which will have a negative financial affect on BASA.

Secondly, BASA controls the stadiums that the clubs would most likely be wanting to use for domestic competitions.

Having said that, I believe that we can have a domestic competition structure which has a positive impact on both development and income for both BASA and the clubs.

My point being we have domestic competitions already so what more 'permission' is required from BASA for clubs to do it?

True, we don't need BASA's permission to do what we are already doing. However if we want our domestic competitions to expand to anything reasonable, then we will. This expansion will require more of BASA's court space, and may reduce the size of the district competition, so we need to make sure that there's positives for everyone.

The problem is that some clubs wont be able to run a domestic competiton as of next week. While Sturt, Forestville and Southern. And now Norwood to a lesser level already have a head start.

If some clubs have this type of program running while other dont, one of two things will happen.

1/ The BASA admin will not change the district competition and it's negative results such as high cost and poor competition levels. The clubs running the domestic competition will start to draw on more and more players which wil decrease the ability of the other clubs to field district teams. These domestic comp clubs will then become Associations themselves and we will have 3 or 4 super clubs with another 3 or 4 minor clubs. The others clubs wil fail or become a member of the bigger associations.

2/ The competition at district level will change to accommidate the domestic competition by changing the number of divisions to 2 for U'10's and U/20's and 3 or 4 divisions of 8 teams for each other grade.

ie u10 2 divisions of 8
u12

cont.

sorry hit the tab and posted

ie
u10 2 divisions of 8
u12 3 divisions of 8
u14 4 divisions of 8
u16 4 divisions of 8
u18 3 divisions of 8
u20 2 divisions of 8

The players in the teams that do not qualify for this competition then play in there domestic competition. This could not be implemented straight away. It would need to be done from u10's up AFTER all clubs have some level of domestic competition for u10's. Then as the age groiups move up so would the restriction of entries.

Paul, Why do you need to use BASA court space? Why not utilise decent high school courts, ie Unley. It's smack-bang in the middle of your area.

Life Be-In-It/Sport For All already run their own basketball competition at Unley High. There are plenty of other high school courts available (decent and otherwise), but in general, they are too expensive to be viable for a reasonably-priced domestic competition.

Regardless, one of the reasons we need a domestic competition is to create a strong link between participation basketball (domestic comps) and elite basketball (district clubs/associations). For this reason, it's important that the domestic competitions be run by the district "associations" in their home stadium.

Fair enough

Anonymous #33567,

No. I don't see any chance of these clubs "disappearing".

Access to, and control of, a decent venue is certainly helpful, but I don't think it's the be-all and end-all of domestic competitions.

Two court stadiums could certainly house large and profitable domestic competitions, and if clubs had access to an income stream from these comps, they'd be in a better position to negotiate for new courts/stadia. Norwood are in a tougher position, but could quite easily go into partnership with other clubs to get a domestic competition going.

To summarise - a home stadium helps create a link between a domestic comp and a district club, but it's not the only way to get these comps up and running.

At a recent meeting of club Junior Coaching Directors, each club represented gave their support for the domestic competition concept, and most have started discussions to make this happen. If you're not sure of your own club's position, speak to your JCD.

Boti Nagy wasn't very impressed with BASA with this mention of the State Champs draw in The Advertiser today:

Juniors let down

The State Championship this weekend is the jewel in the crown for junior basketball in SA yet a full draw was still not available last night. BASA basketball manager Colin Thompson had to fit holidays in before the event and of course, no-one else did anything so he is still flat out. With 237 teams competing, that's a lot of players, coaches, parents, friends - for a lot of BASA revenue - to be treating with such disrespect.

I agree totally with Boti, (might be the first time), it is a disgrace that the programs are not done. How are people supposed to organise their weekend and stadiums to organise referees.

Has the fixture for round 5 come up yet? I got to book my return flight back Sudan soon. I'm pretty certain my team isn't going to make the final four.

Sudan Airlines can get pretty busy around this time of the year.

Come on BASA, only one round left to schedule. You can do it man!

I was able to afford the flight out to Australia due to good sales of my latest book "The Sudan Man" which by the way is available in all good book stores.

I have read "The Sudan Man", one of the most inspiring reads I have ever laid my eyes on.

From the anguish of being a 6ft10 eight year old, to the rise of an NBA superstar. This book has got it all.

How bout BASA puts the nomination date for teams earlier, therefore giving them more to adjust if needed to due to clubs being late with nominations or teams pulling out. This way they have time to play with a little, and can get the programs out earlier, allowing parents and kids to organise work, study etc, and referees to be organised.

Injuries are always going to happen, so its something you have to be prepared for. Most teams should have around eight players anyway. Plus kids working- most workplaces have a roster system where they can write their non-availability. So they aren't 2 very good reasons why not.
Nominations should close early April, around Easter carnival, giving people enough time to organise- its called time management.

The closing date for nominations can be put as early as you want, however you will find that it doesn't mean that the clubs will actually put their nominations in on time.

I was told that last year Sturt didn't put their nominations in on time. Should we stop them from playing? I am sure you will find that not all clubs nominated on time this year either.

I do not agree withholding a team from playing because they are late- that defeats the purpose of the competition.
From a business point of view- BASA is in need of money. Fine clubs a certain amount each team they are late nominating.
This has been a neverending problem for a number of years, not only with State Champs, but normal season also.
If BASA dont take some intiative instead of being walked all over, the problem will continue.

It has been said before that BASA couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery! It has proven very true this weekend.

BASA wonder why they are broke when they are paying court hire at places like Unley over the weekend and leaving courts spare at their own stadiums where no court hire is paid!!

Eg Marion isnt being used.

My example comes from the fact that they are using Unley all day on Sunday and M/Vale only have 3 courts in the morning and nothing else for the rest of the day!

When you don't have any money to pay your employees leave entitlements, keeping things "central" for some shouldn't necessarily matter. Keep in mind that M Vale is the home stadium of the biggest Club in the State. So "most" doesn't really count for much. BTW Hillcrest isn't far?

I for one can not believe BASA's exceptionally poor organisational skills, it is extremely disappointing to have to wait until you turn up for your first game on a Friday night to know what the rest of the weekend beholds for you!
We are dedicated to our childrens sport and make the commitment and sacrifices needed to be involved with them, but it is so frustrating for all involved when you can't make arrangements for anything else in your life because of incompetence!
In my team alone I have parents trying to organise kids birthday parties, other parents trying to organise catching up with old friends who now live a 5 hour drive out in the country and will be in town for the weekend.
I am sure there are numerous examples of people who though are totally commited to their childs sport are annoyed at their associations lack of thoughtfullness.
As I know there are alot of people out there not involved with basketball but know people who are, asking the question,Who is this disorganised association called BASA?
Not a very good advertisement for Basketball!
By the way I'm still waiting for a full program for this winter season which is almost half way through!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!