I think you'll find the definition of "ready to play" is someone who is in uniform, sitting on the bench and awaiting the coach to say "you're on"

Follow up question: Will BSA accept that when her coach (Sharon Simons) says "Carla's been sitting on the bench at this stage but netball comes first so if there’s any niggles she won’t play," (Messenger article)
that it is no longer speculation, but clearly stated fact?

"we’re quite willing to accommodate her ... we’re just waiting for (Netball SA) to give the OK to play her",
This clearly means that Carla currently cannot play, yet she's still being put on the team sheet, despite not being allowed to play (due to Netball SA contract).

SO really they are saying.

"Its OK if its my club"

Can't imagine Sturt being allowed to get away with it.

Pickles you are 100% correct but as stated in my name some Ethics are required here.

Instead of making decisions based on what is best for your own club, you need to make a decision based on being an unbiased employee for BSA (Competition Manager)

Pickles, you have no idea...

Dear carla, please play the ball, not the poster. Why do i have no idea?

This issue is large enough to warrant a messenger article, which is the basis for the opinion i have posted.

Pickles - the Messenger just published a story about 2 people having a nice golden retriever that people in the neighbourhood like to pat a lot. I look forward to hearing some views on that issue!

Like Gretel Tippett , for Carla Borrego
the agravation is not really worth it.

On the soresheet tonight and just rocked up in uniform.

Not warming up though!!

Not suprised.

Foretville have always needed to cheat to win anything. Like changing the way the draw was done to benefit them.


Watched their U10 girls stand in the keyway all game today and zoned as well. Coach kept yelling at them to get back. Again BSA does nothing to stop it fro happening.

Shallow victory after shallow victory.

get a copy of her netball sa contract , ask
the doctor if she really does have a niggle . if she plays for 29 seconds , rule that is insufficent . keep
the sport small . never allow others in .

PeterJohn, it's a basketball forum. I'm talking about basketball. Wtf are you on about?

Camel, provided Borrego qualifies for finals through the same process, and in the same spirit as al other finals players, I'm happy for her to win MVP again. She was the best player in the 2011 GF.

I can not believe forrestville would allow a twist of words on bsa account to try and qualify a player.
Either your in the team or your not!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok a regular player gets an injury cant play the qualifying amount of games ask for an exemption YES but to put someones name on a score sheet week after week who isn't even in the state let alone the stadium is absoloutly disgusting
TONIGHT the woman in question was there, but apparently injured or sick so can't take the court, what a load of crap, it is disgusting the way the eagles are trying to qualify her.
Actually i saw Borego tonight sitting on the bench as well as in the bar at the same time does that mean ther are two of her and does tonight mean she has qualified twice in one game ?
Wouldn't surprise me if that happened, i teach the kids i coach about desperation but this club has taken that terminology to a whole new level.
I looked up the word Cheat on Wikipeadia and all it said was Forrestville !!!!!!!!!!!!

'Disgusted', I was worried when I read your post until I saw it was Forrestville..For a minute I thought you were talking about Forestville..

From down South by any chance...

Don't forget to put your Crayon away when you have finished with it...

I looked up the word Discusted on Wikipeadia and all it said was NFI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really? Forestville was spelt incorrectly on Wikipedia? How interesting...

'Quote'...

"Foretville have always needed to cheat to win anything. Like changing the way the draw was done to benefit them."

What part of the draw was changed to benefit them..
And when have they cheated to win...

Oh do you mean the state junior champs this year..
Bit close to your heart perhaps....

"Watched their U10 girls stand in the keyway all game today and zoned as well. Coach kept yelling at them to get back. Again BSA does nothing to stop it fro happening."

Wow, a coach asking their players to get back on defence..I bet all those 7 & 8 year olds really packed it in..

All I heard happened at that game was was 2 Sturt people standing on the sidelines complaining about nothing all game..(And it certainly wasn't the Sturt Coach)

Look, I was not at the game tonight but if she was there in uniform with her name on the sheet then they are clearly tring to qualify her for finals.

I think it would be fantastic if she played finals

Great for the game!!!!

If she plays (actualy plays) the minimum number of games to qualify

If Netball SA allow her to play two weeks from the end of the season and then she plays 1 or 2 games in the regular season and then plays finals based on other games earlier in the season simply because she was in uniform and on the sheet then they have definetely "CHEATED"

I have no problem with her sitting on the bench for her team but if she is not playing then there is no need to have the uniform on

For the record, I want to make it clear that I've never said Sharon can't coach. My only issue is anyone being allowed to qualify outside the rules.

"then she plays 1 or 2 games in the regular season and then plays finals based on other games earlier in the season simply because she was in uniform and on the sheet then they have definetely "CHEATED"

Based on this 'No Ethics' then every team 'cheats' every year with their bench players that don't get on but are eligible to play finals..

Borrego cant play next week because she will be playing the Vixens in Melbourne.

Sharon says:

"Damm lucky" for Norwood otherwise she could have been the difference.

"Based on this 'No Ethics' then every team 'cheats' every year with their bench players that don't get on but are eligible to play finals.."

#12, a good point. There will always be those 18 yo girls who go to every training, get used as training bait, suit up every week and sit at the end of the bench. The coach promises them junk time minutes each week to keep them interested, but every game they never seem to be up by enough to warrant them court time.

The key point, is that #12 player on the roster has the intention to play in that game.

+1

I was at the Norwood-West game
and Kelsey Ireland didnt play but she was still suited up and she also warmed up
to me this is what needs to happen with carla, who cares if she makes the court as long as she warms up its alright

Isn't it all backfiring without all of the feedback and concerns anyway..?

Loss to Southern, North, Centrals because they are leaving a spot open for a player who cannot play

Keep her on the list as it makes them one short each week!

How are they short each week when only suiting 10 players anyway...?

Hopefully Ireland had her hair up & wasn't eating an apple...

BSA are waiting for the Presidents to complain (Basketball Adelaide) before doing a thing. On Hoops we are just sharing opinions which we will argue about between ourselves. Pointless.

BSA by-law 7.2 states that if there is a discrepancy in rules defer to ACC rules. (available on the CABL website)

ACC rules on Finals eligibility is the same as BSA by-laws except for the addition of "must appear on court"

The rules are there in black an white, no gray BSA interpretations.

Interested is spot on!!! If she warms up, then no one can complain - she will have met the criteria for qualification!

Strange how she is the League's best player .
Hasn't played a lotta Basketball .
40% seems a lot , when you're used to 3 games to qualify.

Carla - please do some layups prior to each game then we can drop this subject

fleagle that is all we ask

For what it is worth I think the quality, or lack of quality, of some of the teams is what is making a mockery of the competition. although I agree the Borego situation is a sham.

total farce and BSA need to hang head in shame if they do nothing about this blantant cheating by manipulating the rules without any care for the spirit of the game

says a lot for the attitude of the club involved doesnt it - play by the rules but bend them - as far as can but dont break
Disgraceful but very clever plan - hope my club can find a loop hole NOT

On something that happened a few years back which is almost the complete opposite, I remember either Forestville or North playing someone like Newley or Pero I think it was for about 5 games after the halfway mark to qualify for the finals. Pero wasn't going to qualify and was leaving about a game out from finals but helped to get them just into the finals.
Is this fair on the teams who just missed out???
Without him, Forestville definitely weren't a better side than those who finished 6th and 7th, but with him they were, but he was never going to play finals!
And it showed when I think it was Norwood annihilated them in the first final.
I guess we see a pattern here....

I have a daughter coming back from a long term injury (a few years) and at this stage there appears to be a chance she would be up and about toward the end of the season. She has both netball and basketball teams wanting to qualify her in their respective competitions. It has been interesting to note the difference between the qualification criteria between the two sports. As has been noted in previous posts, in B'ball you only have to be suited up "ready to play", not actually take the court. The "philosophical" discussions in previous posts are easily avoided in netball where the rule states that you must take the court for a set minimum number of quarters to be eligible to play finals. Basically they are saying that you can qualify an injured player but you must be prepared to put her on the court and essentially play one man short. Seems an easy way to avoid the "Borrego" situation.

I have a feeling that this may add fuel to the fire but the players on the B'ball team have made it quite clear that they are more than happy to include her at during the finals at the expense of their court time. She has declined the offer as she believes that it's not fair on the players that have played all year. A decision based on moral rather than law!

In football you have to take the field as well from what I understand.

this situation is pretty clean cut, borrego cannot take to the court and therefore is unable to qualify for the finals. BSA'S own bylaws state this,i have nothing against carla infact i think she is an excellent athlete and the game would be better if she was playing. However Sharon was quoted as saying they/Forestville are waiting for the OK from netball SA before she can take the court, so pretty simply put grow some seeds BSA and make an example of forestville for blatantly breaking /exploiting your rules.

Forestville!!!!

SHAME SHAME SHAME

And she is not allowed to warm up. People have injured themselves before in warmups. Can you imagine the uproar that would cause.

If it is so easy to circumvent the intent of the rule one would really have to question WHY it is there in the first place.
Would a person who has allegiances to the club in question please attempt to explain why the rule is in place.
Once an explanation of why iforthcomingng the ethics (or not) of this situation are pretty obvious from where I sit as a neutral observer.

Panther,

I think your memory is fading...Pero has qualified for finals each time he has played for Forestville..

The only pattern here is your continual bashing of the Eagles..

A bit of an eagle feeding frenzy here. But some of the hysteria is way over the top. Panther32 I'm looking at you chump.

But to claim (as anon 162 has done) that Carla is qualifying for ABA games that are taking place while she's sipping champers, getting a foot massage and watching The Dictator on in seat 1A on the flight to Auckland is just stretching the truth a bit too far.

Seems they've put the story up on Adelaide Now.

The irony would be as delicious as a masterchef dish, served cold of course.

... sorry that's revenge that's served cold. Maybe irony is served tepid?

A team needs 9 wins and splits to make the 5, usually 10 wins gets them a place, so they are looking for 5 more wins:

9 Norwood Flames L
10 Eastern Mavericks 75% W
11 @ Sturt Sabres W
12 Woodville Warriors 75% W
13 @ West Adelaide W
14 South Adelaide W
15 Central Districts L
16 @ North Adelaide L
17 Southern Tigers 60% L - CB Back 100%
18 @ Norwood Flames 50% L - CB 100%

The GF for the netball is 23/7 and so if the T-Birds make it and assuming CB plays after that, there's really only two games where she is 100% truely available, unless she can get a dodgy sick note from some bulk billing doctor in a methadone clinic to qualify her on the sick loophole for a few games.

The Warriors and Mavs are chasing them and they need to knock them off at Wayville to control their own destiny and hope other clubs chip in.

"norwood lightning have rewritten evil"

Can I re-use that one?

I won't be able to sleep tonight with an image of Simon stroking a bald cat and wearing a grey suit. Brenton with an eyepath and getting called number 2.

"Actually quite funny because Sharon runs six players into the ground year in and year out and has not intention of putting 7, 8, 9, 10,11,0r 12 onto the court."

Clearly not an effective strategy regardless of its inacuracy...2009-2010-2011

The bigger issue is why has BSA not called up the Thunderbirds coach and asked if she is allowed to play?

Would take away the speculation.

It looks like a certain club has someone in the right place to stop this from happening.

Whats that sound??

Oh, its the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance.

It had to be called as the integrity of the game had been knocked over in a hit and run. With the perpetrators shoing no concern.

I am not why BSA should or would follow up any players employer..espicially when any player is presenting themselves as required by the bylaws...

whether any coach chooses to play any player on any given night is their choice & not something BSA would or should be involved with...

Why is everybody so afraid? Buy a bag of confidence or better players and stop the hypocrisy. This type of thing is the norm. What is unusual, is the squealing from all the other piggies who haven't exactly walked straight paths or lead the way in ethical behaviour.

A couple of my friends are thinking of coming to Adelaide soon for a change of scenery
I might ask my club if they are interested in putting their names on the score sheet to qualify for the finals

LeBron & Dwayne

Heres some constructive feedback

YOU DON"T PLAY YOU DON'T QUALIFY

All points awarded to Forestville so far this season are wiped and just maybe BSA should go as far as Rugby League did when Melbourne storm got caught out cheating and make them play all season for ZERO points

She wanted to play a bitta Basketball , I believe . Then someone says : " You're in the wrong place , my friend . You'd better leave . "
A saxaphone , someplace far off , played , as she was walking on , by the arcade . She heard the melody rise , and fade . The sun was coming up . She dropped a coin into the cup , of a blind man , at the gate , and forgot about a simple twist of fate.

Sure that you just dont want this to all be swept under the rug?

Have not seen anyone here have a go at Borego.

And yes agree it has everything to do with the coach who has signed the scoresheet and written the player down when she knows they are not in the building.

Some perspective please. Norwood's coach obtained as many players from as many sources as possible using his position with the Lightning to advantage his home club. Classy ? No! Good sense to take advantage of the situation? Yes!

All the better coaches send feelers out to players they think might make their team stronger.A few lesser lights even recruit to weaken their opposition.

The Forestville coach simply used her common sense within the rules such as they are to make her team stronger and God knows they needed it. The afraid of the dark conspiracies that opposition teams have raised here illustrate the the petty mindedness that clubs operate in.

Given how many clubs work outside the rules and let's be very clear on that, most of Forestville's critics should be gagging on the hypocrisy.

The competition needs every good player it can get and unlike many I believe the short term fixes of many clubs are doing more damage than good. If Pritchard was at Forestville who doesn't believe they'd be the Forestville Lightning?

How many players believe Centrals will be a force in a couple of years when the money spent at the top is exhausted and the junior country program hits the wall because it excludes the locals?

If I was playing Forestville Saturday I'd want to play against her( Ms B) because I want to match it with the best. Playing Norwood at full strength is a challenge which is why we play sport. Winning a CABL championship should be on Merit not by the omission of a key player that you can't beat her.

Baa

crap, she(coach)has knowingly done the wrong thing.
People who do that make very ordinary individuals.
Morals?
Please do not defend condoning deliberate wrongs. Ie. signing the score sheet knowing full well she isn't allowed to play.

What would happen in a workplace if you did that???

"How many players believe Centrals will be a force in a couple of years when ..... the junior country program hits the wall because it excludes the locals?"

It's already started. Country players (and those coming from a rival club) get promised a Div 1 spot, they don't come to any trainings and they get reduced fees. The locals get shoved around and when the country kids stop playing the club wonders why the locals don't want to fill those spots. The country kids rarely last more than a season, but by that time the locals kids are happy just to play Monday nights at Starplex or have moved to another club.

my kids are both non starters now with the country program.I wouldn't mind if they deserved it.Its not the families fault.I commend them on their time spent travelling etc.Its the stubborn coaches who think they've found a diamond ,but its only glass .They stick to their decision and promises which are so blatantly wrong.And the summer /winter players suffer for this.One team has done this with a whole family of three?Wouldnt happen in any other sport ,especially with the country kids Ive seen.

What happened to the old 'you don't get ticked in on the scoresheet until you are on the court' rule/bylaw?

Heard that Netball SA is unwilling to confirm or deny the Borego status as Forestville is contributing to her finacially as a part of her playing for the T-birds.

Hey Ariel, where did you hear that...

Not sure Eagles would make any dent into TBirds contract..

Sounds like some more unsubstantiated crap to me..

Difference between Borrego issue and Forestville's bar takings vs bar staff wages is that Borrego issue is in plain sight.

These days , ya cain't spit outta your window without hitting Carla Borrego.
Now , there's 2 fellas with 36ers contracts
that are injured.

She would not even be aware of the rubbish on this forum..