Crap planning by BSA

Football all season comes out at once
Netball does the same
Baseball does the same
Basketball offers 5 weeks of crap

No wonder people leave the sport

WHat if you have a kid in div 1 and another in div 2?

Will they all just up and quit?

Not saying that having 8 team divisions i not a pain, but thewre are more important things than home and away in the programming.

What a pathetic whinge - see the bigger picture....

Why BSA, WHYYYYYY???? do you make it hard for us to build the game, build the competition that you oversee and increase your revenue, develop more talent for the game you oversee.... Help me, help you!

I officially give up. This madness has me defeated.I'm in readiness for Paul to get on to this thread anonymously and justify how this junior program is best for basketball. I'm here to say now he does NOT HAVE A CLUE.
To break up the age groups and scatter them across the stadiums gives my kids NO CHANCE for them to watch the games above them and aspire to that level.
Slowly I watch this sport decimated by poor decision making and lack of due care.
Are you really trying to destroy the sport at junior level and drive parents to despair?
Well done on that point BSA .Well done

can't believe it,

again, my kid plays div 2. does that mean that they should quit becaue they never get to see the div 1 tam play?

bigger picture;

even competition.
improved umpiring
earlier and full schedule production
open and transparent grading

All far more important than all div 1 teams playing home and away together.

Can someone please point out where to find the schedule for the first five weeks? I must be looking in the wrong spot because all I can find is the summer season. Thanks.

it is on sportingpulse - updated late yesterday moses

refresh your link maybe ?

I'm just a crazy old man that clearly doesn't know his way around the interweb. Can somebody send me a link please?

http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=0-3-0-0-0&a=COMPS

Doubt Paul would post on here anonymously. Might be wrong and I know he has countless critics, but always struck me as the "rise above" type.

I would like to see the draw go for the full season issued at the start of the season as 5 games at a time provides uncertainty for players and parents as well as coaches. Surely, "it's not that hard" The old chestnut of scheduling teams and court availability crops up. Well, it's simple. When clubs nominate a team, they nominate a home court. Then, it is up to the club to ensure they have enough home courts for their teams.

For example, a club can host up to 4 games per court per night. Therefore, with a 50% home rate, each home court is worth 8 Club teams. Excluding Thursday and Saturday teams, that means a two court stadium can be home to 16 Friday Night Teams. So let's say that Club expands and gets 18 teams that play on a Friday night but only has two courts, then it is up to them to organise a suitable home court to support those two teams. BSA have one less headache.

That happens in any other sport.

In reference to other posts above, team selection is always a tricky issue and should be transparent. Placing players in divisions higher than their skill levels to develop them for next season is fine if the player responds, but sometimes "next season never comes". Now is the time for inter-club games to test the team selections and ensure that players are placed appropriately for the long term benefit of the club. Selection procedures that are opaque always lead to unnecessary friction.

In 9 years of junior basketball i have never had the luxury of watching both my children playing at the same venue. If we are realy lucky we might fluke the same venue 1 or 2 times a year, usually one at 6 and the other at 9.
I am sure we are not the only family in this position.
So i dont really understand the negative comments about quitting/being driven out, or leaving the sport.
I am however looking forward to next season when my eldest will be in youth league, played on a different night, so i can see them both play.

the only reason there is 5 games is to allow for teams to move up and down in div2 and below and then the full schedule is released, Paul doesnt go to work in the morning and try to make the draw unfair.

anon#355076,

Why should Div 1 kids get presedent over Div 2 kids if we are looking at retention? Losing either kid is bad. A div 2 kid who is bottom age is just as likely to be a high level player as a top age div 1 kid who is a bench player.

There would be an equal number of families with a kid in both divisions as those who only have div 1 kids. Therefore it should not be the over riding factor in determining schedule.

That is not to say that 8 team comps are ideal. I would rathr see the best div 2 team take the place of a div 1 club who doesn't nominate and therefore enable home and away.

charon

some stability and continuance is all we require.

Its already a given that one child in Div 1 and the other one in Div 2 is difficult. We have come to live with that difficult scenario and as 5076 has eloquently stated its another inducement to put the work into that Div 2 sibling. Why now a complete change?

Without consultation and supposedly on a whim all before is no longer. Looking over this 5 week schedule across the grades no steadfast rule appears to have been applied. Its an absolute dog's breakfast.

Some good news. Sturt and Forestville appear the least inconvenienced. Only one of their away weeks is a mash-up.

I am just clarifying, that was well over 100kms one way, not there and back trip, that would be to easy.

can't believe it,

First of all I am sure that Sturt at least will be inconvinienced for the remainder of the season, it will happen in most grade when those team not i the home and away system fall.

Why should it be an inducemetn to improve a child? If that is the case you are in junior sport for the wrong reason.

I don't disagree that the programming couldnt be improved. Just that home and away for div 1 is not the be all and end all.

That there is equal merit in having a mixed div 1/2 night as a home night and that;

standard of competition
earlier competition presentation of full fixtrures
open and transperant grading are more important

this is mainly due to all clubs not entering div 1 and/or div 2 teams. That is not somethig BSA can be responsible for.

You can kick a club of 30 teams out of div 1/2 just liike to wont be able to promote a Forestville or Sturt team, because people like you will complain.

So unfortunately we have a compettion where it is not full home and away in certain grades. But in the VIc system that is, and always has been the case and they ahve the largest participation rate in the country, and perhaps the world.

NO Vics do not have home and away for div 1(championships grade) they have home and away for all divs without relevence to div 1.

And due to numbers and stadiums, they may not even be home and away.

I love going to the basketball Friday nights and love to see the other age divisions supporting each other. It creates a fantastic atmosphere within the stadiums. The coaches can also look at who is coming up to the next age group. I think the system as it was was working well. Paul you are wrong to change this. I too have has kids in div 1 and div 2 and was ok with going from stadium to stadium but now after many extra one on one trainings I now have two kids in Div 1 and I think they deserve to be with all the other div 1 teams!

Why are these sort of decisions not put to a survey etc before the descision is made?

I cannot express my dissapointment enough!!

Anon 139

Didn't need a solution .

There was no problem

Could have been left as it has been for years.

Kidding ourselves?

There's the solution. LEAVE IT BE

Solution is scrap home and away casue it neverworks out because some clubs dont enter teams in all grades.

Go full promotion/relegation, cause its not like kids are moving into those clubs without teams like they thought it would.

Then have club home nights (div 1,2 or 3's), not home and away.

Anon 355119, Clubs need to be more accountable for themselves. Regardless of what the current system is, or not. People expect a home game at their club's recognised "home" court. They also expect to play at that stadium 50% of the time. It should be up to that Club to nominate an appropriate home court and make it available. Unfortunately, central control dictates that court on which the team plays and courts are allocated/assigned based on ensuring that certain stadiums are filled to capacity first to minimise overall court hire costs.

However, what I am saying is that Clubs just can't nominate teams and not provide suitable home courts for them to play on. I think you'll find in all other sports, the governing body makes the club nominate a home ground and a backup home ground.

Rather than a central, highly controlled system which is designed to maximise court usage on stadiums that are on long term hire, perhaps BSA just need to delegate game court hire to clubs to organise. That way, a Club knows that it needs to hire so many courts per game night. Perhaps it may be more efficient to organise this via a central body, but at the end of the day, people want certainty and people hate bias, perceived or otherwise.

As far as teams pulling out. That happens occasionally, but like other posters have said, the salient point is not that people haven't committed, it's WHY they haven't committed. You have got kids willing to play a month ago, now they think the club/sport is horrible and don't want to play. Why? That's the time when the JOG of that club goes into the room of mirrors for a good long look.

Gotta say that Jack does have some points.

Its not like his idea and BSA's current process would need to change too much. Although they would need to fill current BSA venues.

It is more about dealing with the overflow from clubs like Forestville.

Consider Norwood. They have 3 courts at Mars and can therefore service 24 Friday night teams as a base of 3 courts x 4 slots x 2 home and away.

If they are above those 24 teams they need another court.

For Southern, they would have the potential for 32 teams for Friday nights. If they dont they might take the overload from Marion where South would have 16 maximum and the overflow can be sent to M/vale.

The issue would be if Forestville can service another 2 court stadium but there are other non full BSA venues such as Port Adelaide.

Maybe the answer is to bring all Saturady morning up the Friday nights and open more venues. Then turn Saturadys in domestic.

WE SHOULD HAVE 1 MASSIVE STADIUM, LIKE THE ETSA PARK FOR NETBALL, COULD BE BASED IN CITY SO REASONABLE FOR EVERYONE , SO EVERYTEAM AND EVERYONE PLAYS AT THE SAME PLACE....... THEY DO THIS IN ALOT OF OTHER STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jack, thanks for the link but ..... banging head against desk ..... I was really after the Under-10 schedule and it's the only one not listed.

Time for another Panadol. If anyone can help, would be appreciated.

There isnt an easy way to schedule all these games and personal attacks dont help.I think if you want to name someone ,you have to supply your name as well.This is junior sport,dont forget whos important here

where are you basketball sa? please give the community some feedback stop hiding!!

Let's look at it from a different angle.

If the draw had stayed the same, the under 16 girls would be forced to have 2x bye rounds due to Woodville and South not having teams in division one.

As a parent I am disappointed that I may not always be able to see both of my children play. I am however happy to see that my youngest will now get a game every week. I am also pleased that my fees for the season will now include the same number of games as other junior players, where during summer it was not this way.

It is unreasonable to think that BSA should have to offer two byes to make up for other clubs not nominating teams. And no, i dont think that promoting extra teams from division two isn't the answer.

In saying that, I am not sure what the answer is. But I am happy with this draw set up, even if I am the only one.

Jack, you can sleep easy again. Found it - looks like it was only put up last night. Thanks for your help though.

Cool, Moses I was up all night with worry!

227 WTF?

You are obviously not understanding something for some reason, or chose not to understand. At the moment BSA are the ones running around organising courts and Clubs are nominating teams. In other sports, a Club will nominate their home ground. For example, The Hahndorf Footy Club nominates Hahndorf Oval. The Footy Association inspects the oval and approves its use then schedules games there. But, let's just say that Hahndorf Oval just can't fit any more footy games on it. The Hahndorf Footy Club then seeks a second playing oval for the overflow. Simple.

What I am saying is that Clubs need to be accountable for nominating their home stadiums.

everyone blames BSA what about these clubs that can't field teams at div 1 level. i respect that they have made the right call and maybe put their first team in div 2 or 3 - which is better for the players but it reflects the fact that some clubs are struggling to meet the benchmarks of basketball in SA.

dont think clubs were contacted over this.....

I have 2 girls affected

solution

Team 1 vs Team 2
Team 3 vs Team 4

Team 2 and 3 have not got teams in that grade, so team 4 will play team 1 at their home court(team 1's)ch should still be allocated for Div 1 game. This would work in the 2 round when team 1 plays away and team 4 plays home????
Not sure how many games in season but if anything like last year...it wasnt even rounds so really cant complain too much unless you cop the top 2 or 3 teams too many times and then stiff, same as last year.

Engrish wasnt that good

Team 2 and 3 have not got teams in that grade, so team 4 will play team 1 at their home court(team 1's)Clubs should still be allocated for Div 1 game spot at that stadium. This would work in the 2nd round when team 1 plays away and team 4 plays home????

I Just read the comment 5119 that only 5 rounds go out because kids and families cant commit to full a season.. Other than this last minute stunt of not having div 1s together, and finding out you cant get one, or the other kid to the appropriate stadium because as you were unaware you were going to have this problem when nominating to play. I would not let my child pull out of a season that they started unless injured or moving away. When you put in to play team sports that is what you have signed up to be, "A team". At seasons finish, if they wanted to quit then fine. Some Parents let kids take no responsibility for decisions they make,, and to follow through with their commitments...and parents let little spoiled Johnny go through life like this. A bit of Character Building parents will help your kids in many avenues in life. On and off the Court "Oops" that will be hard for some to read I guess..good luck for winter season.

added cost of fuel to travel across town and back

added cost of transfer ticket

Why can't we just play the first five rounds of the Winter season over 1 weekend in a massive competition.

Then we could have 4 weeks off to get over it.