LOL its funny how when its larrys mate they treat the new melb team with all the privacy it deserves, but when its another or bris they go shooting their mouth off promising prematurely what they dont have, all bets become off and treat it like a circus. can never tell when ur dealing with jeckyl or hyde when on the nbl merry go round.

LOL its funny how when its larrys mate they treat the new melb team with all the privacy it deserves, but when its another or bris they go shooting their mouth off promising prematurely what they dont have, all bets become off and treat it like a circus. can never tell when ur dealing with jeckyl or hyde when on the nbl merry go round.

whaaa, youre not checking ips anymore ? no, melb bid was done well [from what i had heard id said], both bris bids done poorly and thered been no word over several weeks regarding the success of either, which is a good thing. whats the point in pushing through either one if its got no funding and no real plan ? but to hear one is still on the cards when theres still nobody funding it, well, its same old same old [misleading the public] bullshit.

bris gets jeckyl nbl every year, melb gets hyde nbl ;)

sorry, im saying both bris bids were given a tonne of support - babysat almost, but they did that to unethical people who acted like they could easily get money they were never able to. another had the money, but was given so support whatsoever ? [bizzaro]
additionally, nbl have used some level of professionalism to not be talking in the media for the year leading up to the 2nd melb bid, sayin theyre confident it will go ahead, playing nbl exhibition matches there, etc, etc. they gave melb team all the privacy and respect that the overinflated bris bids should NOT have got, as it was obvious from the start they didnt have, and could not ever get the funding without trying to screw somebody or somebodies, into it.
nbl behaved very differently with melb bid - ensuring much secrecy and absense of pressure. i think the bris pressure brought out some very dubious behaviours between the 2 bris bids. the 3rd ? well, she was just trying to get on with the job quietly, but no support whatsoever. thats what i mean by jeckyl and hyde by nbl - unexplainably inconsistent and unreliable throughout.

and when you say given serious consideration as it was actually viable, how would the nbl ever know if in the initial stages the melb bid ever had wheels - unless they had engaged in some healthy communication ? they communicated to draw conclusions over time, that the melb bid was viable. with the 3rd, there was absolutely no communication whatsoever and all attempts were petulantly ignored. thats the person who actually found the money ! go figure ! but ignored time and time again. still they persist with one of the 2 initial bris bids, that never had wheels to begin with, and some very shonky seamus types who are crooks in their own line of work, as well as the 2ns bid, who are crooks in bball circles already. somebody came up with this on another forum :

Shame on BQ for chasing away wvwryone who wanted to help when Bullets first went dwn.
Shame on all those who would not work together to grt them back.
Basketball is dying and the people who will noyt change there ways are to blme.
Shame on all fans who will not put hand in pocket to get them back.
Merry Xmas those that care and brickbats to those I mention above.
[not far off the mark actually]

then another :
I am guessing by the silence it is all over for another year. Correct me if I am wrong. Those responsible for turning people, who wanted to help, away when Brisbane first folded need to apologise to the many supporters that now still have no team.
[not far off the mark either, and same thing happened again this time as nobody wants to address these issues]

another :
Bullets not going to happen. BA not happy with proposals. Rejected attempts with good reason.
Guess that means unless a major person arrives to save the sport no more NBL in Brisbane.
I wonder what BQ are saying now seeing they told everyone they would get it up and running.
[fairly true]

lastly :
Where to from here then? Why does Sengstock keep saying he's optimistic, Brisbane will have a team again yada yada yada when it is all pending finance? The NBL is stringing along loyal suffering Bullets fan and its irresponsbile. He should have some idea whether a proposal has merit before he discloses to the media that Brisbane should be back. Fuck the Blaze and the NBL.

[very few knew about a 3rd player who came up with the goods but nbl dicked her around and never returned any communication - even though she sat on the 1st committee then left it when she sensed it wasnt going anywhere and not with the sort of people involved, who were influencing the nbl. the 3rd option saw the nbl behaviour and attitude as a red flag and a damaged entity not worth getting involved in. nbl shot themselves in the foot and that party has not regretted that decision. but fark me - what a stupid way nbl handled it ! things could of been very different now ! they blew it - many times over. the public knows theres honest funding out there, they had little confidence in those hogging all the limelight and attention, who could not produce !]

LOL stop talking about yourself !

feeling left out bball fan that you know nothing about anything that went on ? thought you were in the know all this time ? put your dummy back in your mouth.

put it this way, 2nd melb team appears [and i say appears bc i freely admit i dont know anybody connected with the melb bid] to have funding, so thats something ! rumour is that bogeyman tipped into this as well. id be inclined to assume and could be wrong, but maybe something needed clarification or further information in writing etc prior to money being transferred. would not be the 1st time things have been held up pending nbl clowns getting their act together. but if its stable i welcome a new melb team just as much as any other. if not stable, then naturally same applies as it does bris. apologies i did read the earlier post wrong. it was late and eyes cross eyed. apologies again.

id like to know why carroll and the nbl want carrolls involvement a secret, maybe theres a part of them that senses the public would assume a few strings were pulled or something. if hes involved they should just start being upfront about things instead of all the cloak and dagger stuff. i dont see what they are achieving by taking that angle. transparency often works better.

Paul, Carroll has only recently returned back to Knox.
If as suggested he's involved with the new franchise and in his previous role with the NBL he was lobbyiong for a 2nd melb team, then someone in the NBl should be sacked.

He was high performance GM. Nothing to do with selecting what clubs may be involved in the NBL in the future. Whats that got to do with the Seabl as well?

Agree with Anonymous. The NBL's sh.t don't stink and nothing should ever stick to them routine gets really old Paul. You're either for better changes to the way things get dealt with at that level or you're not. Perhaps too much time around anything goes in unmonitored sport skews your judgement. You can't remain a little bit pregnant. The SEABL comparison is oranges and apples. It's time to expect better and more consistency from the NBL as this thread shows, or not; then reap the consequences of that decision.

Paul is an apologist for the NBl and Ba and a shame it lets his views get clouded.

i think the guys name is simon brookhouse but hes the guy who did all the work then when carroll was sacked from a job he did nothing in with ba, he was pushed aside for carroll to replace him, then knox was suddenly at the forefront of the nbls mind. interesting start for them already though hey ?!

Brookhouse was a mover and shaker in basketball and golf willl now benefit from his expertise.With the close ties of Carroll to Knox, Brookhouse was always going to lose.
an628 summed it up earleir. carroll did nothing in Ba.

someone had to do carrolls work for him so he could slide into a role he didnt create the success of, but just take it, and deceitfully. they really did a job on brookhouse im told, then asked him to stay on the board LOL. i suspect thats in case carrolls incompetence shows again, and brookhouse can do the job while carroll takes the credit. sounds eerily familiar...

close anon. wc was always going to take over brookhouse role, but not til he had done all the work on it that wc wasnt anywhere near capable of achieving on his own. so its the same group. but they got rid of brookhouse who should of stayed. wc was being groomed for the role all along, with nbl knowing brookhouse was doing a great job and looking to be the likely group to deserve the licence. they had decided that was the group who would get it, wc had already been sacked at nbl, then brookhouse was killed off once all the work had been done and wc slotted into the role, which from the outside looked as if wc had achieved it all. it was all done for him - by brookhouse.

re preferential treatment, that was given to the first 2 bris groups, regardless of whether either had the money, and neither of them do.
in the case of new melb club, the foul smell comes from sacking the guy who did all the work, to then hand wc the job once nbl realised that was going to be the melb consortium to get through.

actually anon i took another look at the 1st part of your post - [got 2 sick kids at home for the past 4 days and operating on little sleep] honestly unsure of the camouflage or whoever else really, was trying to legitimately get a look in for communication etc and was blocked from contact the same way the 3rd one was here in bris. would not surprise me as it wouldnt be the 1st time, but can't say for sure on that one. i do now know however that brookhouse who did all the work was pushed out and replaced with a bloke who was deemed incompetent or inadequate in his last role and as i say, was being groomed for a head role with the next melb team to come through, since he was let go. its possible that had it been another group progressing forward via nbl support, whoever was spearheading that may have ended up replaced by wc too. seems nbl are desperate to get him a job for whoever comes up with the goods for a new melb nbl club. the only one in melb who looks like he would be the only one to benefit with preferential treatment is wc. agree that it all stinks.

About time the truth came out. A good journalaist would do a story on that. Doeas Eade read here?

Good journalist and Eade in the same sentence? No way!! Doubtful he'd know a thing about the inner workings of either bid, but it wouldn't stop him from asking around on his fb status, and get an ad lib guestimate response from a fan.. or van tryhard!

Fishy to say the least But Paul thinks squeekie cleen.

353953 thats really what it boils down to at the end of the day right ? nbl cant make educated decisions to save themselves, and their methods of guestimating things based on little or even no communication at all, for a bunch of adults, is well, really poor. you cant know if an offers good or not if no dialogue takes place or efforts get unreturned. same opportunities is what its about and not much to ask, especially when its for nbl benefit to get their business needs met ! in every case they should go with the one that has the best options to offer, but agree 100% thats not how its been getting done. its sneaky as shit. like players versions of brown paper bags or something.

Just got told thee may have been 2 bids out of knox.not sure how but some sort of $$$$ dispute and another bid put in late,and that looks to be favWC involved in both

holy hell. sounds like nbl have been making as much of a shambolic mockery in melb as they have been up here with the next clubs to come through. such distracting energy they make people have to waste. real idiots, mate. real idiots. have been told by someone down there that one of the $$$ disputes is related to brookhouse and money he put in. id be disputing it too and recouping every cent if possible for repaying him with a sacking. hope he takes nbl to court or whatever can be done in these circumstances because he was intentionally misled and used by a lot of people and didnt deserve it. these are the sorts of people you and nbl should want getting involved - not the scummy pricks that actually get preferential treatment in both cities.

only glory hunting vultures would want to still get involved with a company like nbl after this stuff gets out there. you cant hide this stuff forever. it all comes out in the wash. my mate from one of the committees up here who ditched their insidious ways, and the wealthy interested investor she convinced of the cause, considered themselves as having dodged a bullet [pardon the pun !] with the whole embarassing debacle and nbl gaffes. she has her own business, looking to start up another on the side, and got asked to do some work for this person too - he was so impressed with her character, passion, etc. brookhouse hasnt had much better of a ride from the smses coming through on this right now. shame on them all who have been to blame for these stuffups and games. dont know about melb but this has happened here every year since 2008. nbl will do the same old shit again next year. nobody will care then everybody with $$$ will have heard and will stay the hell away from them.

aside from that paul, more importantly the behaviour itself lacks morals, ethics and transparency ? theres more than just the basketball side of things and has repercussions that are far reaching in terms of who would want to support people who conduct themselves this way.

in addition, to have support from associations, that also requires some ethical behaviours and agendas by associations for associations to be and remain attractive or on the same page as a buyer, right ? because if a buyer doesnt see or hear of the same values and morals in an association then that doesnt get to progress anywhere. also if you then have a situation where an association is trying to block people with money who see through them, or an association who tries to block people in leading sources of funding to the nbl for discussion, then it still cant go anywhere can it ? too many on the committees, nbl and associations had or have too many agendas which makes progress impossible. its all fucked and losing respect. reform means nothing without these things being stamped out. now when the nbl themselves participate in these behaviours, well, you then have no chance of fixing it.

Good idea, worry about the effect it might have on others rather than how that came to be an issue in the first place

can you elaborate on that point pls ?

since when or why is everyone else trying to do a job, responsible for silent secret baggage of an association or nbl, that they didnt even do anything to ? at what point should those trying to focus on the tasks at hand, be responsible for the bad communication and manipulation they unjustly bring ? they get to behave carte blanche do they ? disagree 100% with that.

I'll back it in there could be some involvement from someone from Kilsyth too.

354197 bris kerfuffle - they arent rumours she is a good friend and of my family. known her a long time and a very upstanding person of high integrity. probably made much lesser people whove had involvement in this very insecure about themselves and their conduct. she did speak out. she did even threaten nbl, including sports commission. nobody did anything. she stopped caring along with the investor she sourced and had extensive plans and dialogues with, and both figured they had dodged a bullet so to speak by leaving the kids to fight and squabble in the sandpit as i explained.

354185 melb kerfuffle - now looks like some eerie similar things were done again in melb that were done here. um, just, wow. except the melb ones all were communicated with, at some point of procedings. i heard brookhouse was either looking into legal avenues moreso to recoup costs, lucky no money exchanged hands here so again, they were happy to have dodged a bullet in that sense and done a favour with all this nonsense. its still grotesquely rude of course and inconvenient to a guy who could afford this as a drop in the ocean. all that crying like babies about cant find funding was right under their nose but they acted like incestuous sell out douchebags thats why they couldnt get any of it. no idea if brookhouse has also gone to the sports commission who were sympathetic to the extent of nonsense that had gone on, but couldnt do much about it. were advised to write a complaint letter to the ba board but look at whos on that - all the old boys who wouldnt question larry, flanagan and co, so not very practical. i suspect brookhouse is happy with golf now as are the 3rd invisible people from bris. did them a favour, really, but like i said, shit disgraceful behaviours from nbl. no sympathy for them up here nor any trust in any of their statements or claims from now on. compulsive liars and crooks who only seem to do deals with people like themselves.
betcha none of this will make news - nbl is a self inflicted cautionary tale and richly deserve that title. fully support brookhouse if hes able to do something about his treatment. very upstanding hardworking guy too im told.

Not Bookhouse either that I am talking about.When team is announced I imagine there might be some very serious legal questions to be answered. But I am not sure if they are unethical or illegal

Rather than all the smoke and mirrors ,when is this announcement actually being made?..Does anyone know?...Time for at least a statement from BA or NBL or whoever else is the circus master

so youre saying theres been a t-h-i-r-d person nbl have treated like this ? holy hell. this is just retarded. theyre like some kind of cult ! i cant imagine brookhouse not doing something about it to recoup all his money - i dont know if the board position tokenism was to keep him quiet ? but no way can they just keep his money. very bad form. i really believe things have got so despicable and shambolic that they should just leave both cities alone for the time being. not something id advocate as a solution by any means but theyre making a mockery of themselves and those that tried to get something done about the nbls whinging for 2 new teams. cool their jets maybe. then have a massive clean out at nbl and try again. if theyre lucky, somebody might, just might, take them seriously. really dont know what else to say. wow, just wow. disgracefully shameless and morally bankrupt. i think no announcement as theyre looking for a new party to burn to the ground, then pull on public heartstrings that theres support for the 2 teams in the community. yes, tell us something we dont already know - with the conscience of wall st bankers !

and im seriously hoping tinklers people have not been messed around by the same sort of embarassing garbage.

Brookhouse is now in golfing circles

statman confused

nbl could go about all this with some kind of tact and professionalism though. whole thing has been incestuous and communicated very badly with those involved every time. word gets around about their shonky ways and alienates credible soures of funding. nobody will want to do business with those guys if they dont lift their game. they demand respect but no clue about how to earn or maintain it. somebody needs to turn a mirror back on them and see if they would like to have business deals handled like this and enjoy it. theres only so many messes they can keep making - basketball is a small world in this country and after that its going to get very hard for them. naturally they will look for someone other than themselves to blame for the messes left behind. larrys too blindsided by his friendship with wc to do anything about it so on it will go. nothing there will ever change im afraid.

I wonder about these posts not are they not very clear in what is being accused or said they probably at the same time appear to be libelous.

I have tried to read them but apart from gleaning that some think that some are being shonky calling BA or the NBL corrupt etc doesn't go well for credibility. Just saying!

naiive much ? yes, at a launch, where brookhouse was given a board position, and has money tied up with a venture that reeks of unprofessionalism, he was always going to make a scene at the launch. wc should speak highly of him, he did his job for him and got all the support for it, but lucky for him went to golf. i reckon behind closed doors its a different story. wake up people, one person makes a call based on a mate who went, then suddenly theres no truth to all the kerfuffle thats been going on in those circles ? whatever then. hate to think of how much you guys gave to the evangelist kony movement, and still defend its squeeky clean image ! believe what you want.