351790

Thanks for the feedback. If you have been around basketball, you would understand that sometime you need a forum like this to get action.

BSA often get many offers to help sort out the mess, but too be honest they don't listen.if they did, we wouldn't have to go public for help.

Happy to take feedback and it is not a complaint, but a plea for them to LISTEN to their customer.

In summer, teams pull out as players decide that they are not happy with their selections in teams, go and play other sports or just don't want to commit hen sort. But when clubs withdraw Div 1 teams, promo/relegation is irrelevant

Winter is far more settled, so a request to get a full season out on time isn't too much to ask.

cant get even home and away games as many grades have anything from 8-12 teams per comp.

not all clubs have enough courts for an even home and away rotation.

the reason we have 5 week blocks is pr/rel - which is the way to go.

just presume you have a game each week and at times we all need to get out the comfort zone.

why do you need to know what game you have in 4 months time ? you know you will have a game - work around that.

Der Kommisar, "Du verstehst nicht"

Because we all know we will have numerous byes and would like to plan something to do with or Friday night off.

Look at the 16 girls comp. 2 teams having a bye each week. you get 4 week of each season but yuo never know when it is.

IF the third poster on this thread ( as quoted in full below) is an actual employee within Basketball here in SA, then I am absolutely gob smacked at the personal attitudes and values displayed in the post


Anonymous
A few hours ago
14:43 25 Feb 12

Reply #351790
re: A plea to the Comp Committee and CEO of BSA
Annon get your club and all other clubs to guarentee

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they won't pull out teams or make requests to add some during the season.

- (This is a classic avoidance of responsibility re-frame, which relocates any and ALL responsibility and thus full blame and any responsibility to re-mediate a problem away from themselves and onto others)

As has been explained on here many times before over Summer

- ( this implies you are - 1) not listening OR 2- listening but stupid , AND 3- We have been doing our job but you are not doing yours)-

. we play within a Pro/Reg structure, even if in your world for your one team you may not.

- (implies that you do not live in the real world, and in any case your one team is not important to us at all - so go away )-

NBL, WNBL, AFL, NBA ... none of these leagues play even rounds. Why are you demanding more in Juniors in SA then those leagues?

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Last of all if you have legitamte

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comments to make this is not the place to make them if you want them actioned.

- ( We only listen to you when you come to us as a supplicant, we refuse to listen to anyone or any thing that does not play under our rules – even thought I am active on this forum !!?? Also the use of the word actioned alters implied expectations to a more minimal and disassociated outcome - eg "actioned" does not implicitly include actions such as "agreed" or "fixed" or even "considered" , It can mean as little as "read and filed and forgotten" )-

Cue the standard "you must work for BSA" replies. Sorry for offering some facts instad

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of complaining like most in basketball love to do.

- (not quite understanding that the great majority of their own reply is about complaining about the person making the complaint, insulting them and then dismissing them. )-


I hope the above is able to be followed. Generally when I do this type of corporate values, beliefs and attitudes elicitation in a professional consult - I have the advantage of formatting ,such as colour, italics etc , including pop up notes and hot linking to deeper explanations of the implications of the grammar and sentence structure.


As I said at the outset, its a worry if this person is an employee, however that is actually not essential to accepting this post as a valid insight into the corporate or personal values in SA basketball. All this poster has to have is a reasonable amount of interaction with the subject corporate entity for their post to be a close approximation of what does actually come out of that organisation.

Of course one post is not a valid sample size - but still - at least it makes me think

and yes , I have two typing errors in my post - Damn

really that u16 double bye will dissolve for winter - it is because a team bailed part way through summer

Der Kommisar.

How much you want to bet?

How is that going to happen?

Neither Woodville nor South will put a team in the comp.

And every year BSA has put a double bye into the competition becasue they cant schedule it home and away if 2 clubs dont nominate.

U18 girls had a double bye all winter 2 season ago. Didnt have centrals and west.

But they are more than happy to take the same amount of money for nominations and registrations even though they only give them 80% of the games.

put the second forestvilel and sturt u16 teams into div 1 - no byes

The timing of some Friday night games and the travel for us country players is my issue. (Yes, I know, it is our choice)

For example, a 9 45 game means the game finishes around 11 pm. For a 15 yo playing for Forestville and living at Unley, they are tucked into bed by their mummy by 11 30. For someone who lives in the country, we don't get home until 1 am at the earliest, then the next day we have to get up early for footy or netball (yes, we take that seriously in the country) We might have a game at Yorketown the next day so we just can't stay overnight.

Under 16s is fine for country players, but that's why a lot pull out at Under 18 level.

The call from some clubs to put a second team into Div 1 is constant and deafening. So here is a solution.

Div 1 is scheduled as a "carnival" with all Div 1 games for a club being played at the same night and at the same stadium. The 10 member clubs have a priority spot in the Div 1 competition as they must be able to develop players to maintain ABA teams. So, in the case of a competition where a member club does not nominate a team for a season, then this creates a bye situation.

I therefore propose that in this situation, with the consent of the member club, another club could nominate into that vacancy providing that they play their home games at their stadium in order than that scheduling is not disrupted.

For example, the U16 girls Div 1 situation. No South and no Woodville means a double bye. So let's say that both these clubs chose not to nominate a Div 1 team for winter (as a result of a whatever) In this case Forestville 2 and Sturt 2 in the Div 2 competition could be in a position to fill their spots. As Sturt is closer to South, they play their games as the South Proxy, Forestville 2 play their games as the Woodville proxy.

That means that the Sturt team only play at Pasadena when South play at Pasadena and similarly with Forestville, they only play at Wayville when Woodville play there. All their other games are played at the stadiums where their hosts play.

No you don't get something for nothing and a Div 1 spot has an inherent value. Therefore, another condition would be some compensation to the host club for yielding that spot for the season. I would start the compensation at say $1,000 per Div 1 spot to make sure that these teams were serious about playing.

Thoughts?

Jack on the surface it appears your idea is a good one.
If a VACANCY EXISTS IN A HIGHER LEVEL then the team that wins the summer season is promoted.
Example : Team A top of Under 14 Boys Div 2 is promoted as the second team in Div 1.
Example : Team A top of Under 14 Boys Div 3 is
promoted as the second team in Div 2.
I would place a rule in all divisions that for the last 5 weeks of the summer season no player movement is allowed.
Finally I am not sure about the $1,000 per div 1 spot. We must remember that this only happens if a vacancy exists at the higher level, member clubs still have the right to nominate their requirements.

Yes, the member club does have a right, but if they chose not to nominate, some consideration may help them to better develop juniors to fill that gap.

As a coach of one of the U/16 Div. 1 girls teams I hate having the two byes. I have thought the same thing as Jack Toft, promote the top two teams from Div. 2 and have them fill in the gaps that are left by South and Woodville's U/16 Girls non existance. This will also solve the problem of there being 12 teams in Div. 2, this will make it a 10 team comp in both Div. 1 and Div. 2 and get rid of any bye's or unevenness in the competions.

Jack, the problem is if those clubs get $1K to not field a div 1 team, they're likely to not put that into junior resources, but rather into paying ABL players in a misguided attempt to become relevant. Which is probably why they're unable to field a div 1 standard junior team in the first place.

i have no problems with 2 teams in div 1 - as long as they have earnt it and not just fitting an empty slot - forestville 2 u16 d2 abd sturt 2 and eastern 2 all look like they could fill the double bye.

my commendations to south and woodville for making a correct decision and put their teams in a realistic grade - D2 and 3 - results confirm this.

Nix, good point. ABA can be like an ex-wife on the purse strings of a club leaving the juniors nothing but gristle when they should be fed steak.

But, junior development is a chicken and egg thing. I think it would be great if all clubs were of a similar strength (not weakness) and every game was within a few points. However, in order to get to that a club needs skilled juniors, skilled coaches and an environment conducive to development. When efforts go into LONG TERM junior development, the benefits at ABA flow on.

Any consideration as a result of yielding a Div 1 spot must go into junior development.

Let's get back on topic here, we want to have the full season released at one time not in the dribble of 5 week blocks.

We want 12 team comps to have an even round , that would generate more income , yes INCOME , for BSA and make it fair. Comparison to AFL,NRL etc is crap, this is kids basketball and they want to play and play in an even comp.