Not really. Melbourne lost the game fair and square.

how exactly is the NBL at fault?

You have morons like back page lead writing articles how the tigers were robbed, when in fact I read some tweets earlier in the week stating that it would have been a shot clock violation regardless and Cairns ball with a sec or so left.

Lets wind the clock back to 2001 too and get Stiffy to swat Lowery's last FTA off the rim

it is in the past , let it go

BJF, I think that Lowery decision showed how much of a backwards league we are. Not because that it was a foul (as I think it was) but because as you said there should have been a line up with time still remaining on the clock. What other league would have no line up? Maybe an under 12's game where the clock continues to run.

Can anyone tell me I am wrong with this?

KingJames, I agree 100%. If there is no line-up and no time left on the clock that must have meant the refs were implying the foul occurred at 0:00. By my math, that's after the game had finished. And yeah, ten years on and it still stings. Only a little now though.

Makes me think of a hypothetical.

Player shoots, ball leaves the hand, buzzer sounds as time expires. Ball bounces on the ring and would bounce in if left alone. Player on either team touches it and it drops in.

What's the ruling? Points count if touched by a defender, but not if touched by a teammate of the shooter?

KingJames, if you are going to throw out a "we are a backwards league because ..." please do some research before you do.

Perhaps a google search for "free throws with no time on the clock", to discover examples where it has happened in the NBA, Euroleague, NCAA and other competitions.

Isaac, I would say your hypothetical is dependant on the bounce of the ball.

If it requires intervention from a 3rd party (player) to actually have a chance of going into the net, then I wouldn't count it. Certainly if the ball deflects off the rim, up, and back in, then I'd allow it.

KingJames, there was no contact on that 2001. I've seen all the video angles on that call and there was absolutely nothing in it apart from an Oscar Winning performance on the sell.

Thanks anon - seems I was more or less right.

Two things to consider.

One - Ubaka still had the ball his hands after the shot clock expired. Even though the refs didn't apply the rules 100% correctly, the outcome was correct.

Two - if you take anything that BPL or Daniel Eade as gospel, then you're an idiot.

'632, that can't be correct. Once it's hit the ring or just generally? If generally, what if you attempt a three on the buzzer, time expires while the ball is in the air, and then I goaltend?

The rules posted by the other anon seem to suggest that it counts as a score.

That would prevent the Stiff swiping the ball off the ring scenario, right?

the argument re the Stiff situation is that there should have been time on the clock as Lowery was fouled in the act of shooting, not fouled after the siren went

Time on the clock allows the ball to be swiped off the rim

Paul show me where that has happened in the NBA, NCAA or Euro leagues?

when i did the search I found this about the NBA rules on NBA.com (refer to Exception 2)

Section III-End of Period
a. Each period ends when time expires.
EXCEPTIONS:
(1) If a live ball is in flight, the period ends when the goal is made, missed or touched by an offensive player.
(2) If the official's whistle sounds prior to the horn or :00.0 on the clock, the period is not over and time must be added to the clock.

You didnt look far!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4xw2sGsJ-s

Isaac - for mine, if a defender touches its a goal tend of a legal shot attempt. Points count

If an offensive player touches, it effectively becomes another shot attempt (a tip in) which is after the siren. Points waived.

That was a long way of saying, I agree.

excpet in the NBA where the refs whistles are attached to the clock so that they stop on every whistle

Okay so the interpretation is that if the whistle is blown after the siren then there should be no line up in which case I am wrong.

I still think it should be at the point of impact of the foul, same as if the ball goes out of bounds, why should players be penalized because an umpire is slow to blow their whistle. What about if an umpire does a late call 2 seconds after the play when the Siren goes.

I can understand it if a player is fouled after the Siren.

Anonymous, I am saying once the foul is called a replay should be viewed to see when the point of the foul occurred and then the time adjusted.

I am just saying how it is in the NBA when they adjust the clock using video replay.