True Jack but self interest created this debacle and when that finally ended the committee in its wisdom recreated an almost identical situation. It was well known that unless real changes were made at Woodville many families would leave on the girls side.
Even a merger with magic would not help as the brand is so soiled and the leadership of the club is incapable of recognizing past errors. Time to cut the clubs and Woodville would be an ideal starting point. Adelaide cannot support the number of clubs it has. The comp is a joke and only four clubs have the numbers. Rightly or wrongly it is time to restructure and for the sport to go forward club reductions is vital.
Mavs, Souths, Magic,Woodville at the very least need to go. Waiting for these clubs to completely die will harm the sport itself.

so centrals should stay????????? Based on what

For a team that only lost by 7 points on Friday night why are they dropping down any divisions at all?

The Woodville committee have had there head in the sand for so long, I think the damage has been done, they must seriously talk with Magic while they still can breath

so no responsibility could go onto magic and BSA for forming and allowing them to be formed respectively for diluting the talent pool in the first place in the western suburbs which was already thin years before magic went from being a social situation to a bsa club.... NONE at all. why should west or woodville after being around for so many years in a shallow talent pool anyway, and doing the best they could to keep players for years, have to fold to a club that doesnt want to do the hard yards and wants to take the easy option and sponge off them.

If you ask me, BSA should have never allowed magic to form due to the further diluting of the western areas talent pool. if the magic players want to play higher its pretty simple. LEAVE AND GO TO A CLUB THAT PLAYS HIGHER! stop trying to piggy back off other clubs.

Believe me im sure woodville and west have done things to upset people over the years im not denying that but i cant comment on it because i personally dont have the information. but I assume West and I know Woodville have been working hard and doing anything possible over recent times to build numbers, especially the girls. so dont say we (and i mean woodville) are sitting there doing nothing because we are doing everything possible.

Its more than just woodville or west fault that there is a lack of talent here is what I am saying. BSA and magic have played there part.

After 10 years of a one man band that played a poor tune you had the opportunity to show leadership by changing direction from the one that put you on the rocks But your committee decided to go for the same tired look and changed nothing. Families voted with their feet because you wouldn't listen to them. You are dying of self inflicted wounds so don't blame Magic or BSA.

I know of quit a lot of talented kids in the west that don't play for any clubs because of the cost,mainly interstate tournaments-how can a refugee family that's newly settled afford this?for girls netball wins hands down,even div 3 at Magic have started the trend.

Why do you think the person that had their head in the sand for so long has now decided to leave for greener pastures, WWBC RIP

The big three would say there are enough girls playing basketball Jack, in fact two and three times the numbers with each year level fielding 3 or so teams. They wont give up their income streams nor should they. Stupid as people are to play div 2 or 3 when they have the skills to play higher it wont change.
The only way out is to cut the number of clubs to six or tops eight.
Woodville and Souths are walking dead in the girls.
Maybe BSA should sew one of its famous deals together and allow Souths and Woodville to field combined teams until they recover(unlikely) or die completely.
It is grossly unfair to let district clubs play these two clubs as they cannot compete.A district club must have a competitive div 1 in every year level surely and neither have.
Ironically Woodville, who refused to merge with Magic, will now have to go cap in hand to them and hope Magic agree to rescue them. This might delay the inevitable but wont make the comp any better. Why isn't BSA taking a lead and doing something positive because how is Woodville, Souths and Mavs' situation a positive for basketball? It's even too late for a zoning system in these three's cases and the experiment that more clubs would get more players playing clearly has failed.

anon #293 thank you for feeding us the sturt view of the world but that's part of the problem and part of the reason we are where we are.

Having less clubs is not going to grow the sport or get more girls involved. WOW you're club has 3 teams in an age group. Do you really think that's enough?

I can't help but look back at comments about West for example and their girls program 5 years ago. Or Norwood's which was not that long ago struggling to compete with the best.

The problem at Woodville in their girls program is the result of a number of things. Both internal and external.

The lack of strength of BSA to right a wrong that BASA made in allowing Western Magic to exist. If BSA had any control over their own direction or as their own direction dicates "Be valued by the South Australian community and recognised widely as a leader in sport development", they would piss this social club off back to St. Clair where they belong.

Woodville as a club have made a few terrible decisions of late and those decisions have lead to some dramatic results. Has blindly following one person's lead helped or hindered? Has the move away from the Dome to St. Clair helped or hindered? Has the lack or willingness to change helped or hindered?But that doesn't mean the club will shut down. That doesn't affect the ability of the club to recruit in the future or to build from the bottom up.

Bad mouthing clubs without any real understanding of their situation is unfair and insulting to the people trying to promote the sport for all in this state. When the big two stop grandstanding and controlling junior basketball and BSA take back control of the sport as they should then we will find monumental change will happen.

If you look at the girls programs that are struggling they have lost someone in the last 5-6 years who took a lot of time and focused on the girls side of the program. SInce they have departed, the girls programs have slowly declined. To be honest there is not enough club people who care about the girls side of the program in their club.

South is not wedged between Forestville and Sturt.

There is a huge area south west of the city that South should be able to recruit from. Unfortunately Sturt are recruiting from that same area.

since lynne holland left everything has been going down hill...... all the good girls are leaving and the program is not as strong anymore!!!!!

315, the mess was created under that persons reign

Concerned you are full of crap. Sturt did not say that at all. South's 10s boys are girls are doing very well so far so there goes your uneducated theory that they can not get the kids. They just need to keep doing it year in year out. Stop making stuff up you have no idea about.

How many of those girls lived around the Sturt area?

thank you for feeding us the sturt view of the world but that's part of the problem and part of the reason we are where we are.

I just KNEW it was Sturt's fault that Woodville don't have enough junior girls...
If the "leadership" at Woodville believes and promotes this view, then it is no suprise to see the club where it is!
Then again, pointing the finger at others is always easier than actually being accountable for the predicament the club finds itself in.

Perhaps Western Magic - who seem to have no trouble attracting players despite not being able to play division 1, should take their spot...

Woodville would not merge with Magic, no chance they would merge with Bearcats, their committee would rather fold then accept help but now some of Woodville Committee dead wood has gone you never know but again some of that wood is still there

Woodville have paid a high price for allowing one person to dominate for so long and there is no way back for them.
In the basketball world their issues are widely known so recruitment just isn't going to happen because who would place their kids there.
Are there any ground rules on keeping your div 1 district status or is it yours for life no matter what?

Hardly see how Sturt benefit from a weak Woodville.

Having 10 strong clubs is better for development of the sport as a whole and therefore better for Sturt as it challenges them to improve their processes and programs.

However, it is not beneficial to improve the overall level of the sport by decreasing the top level.

We would all agree that we are at currently a B level. And that we want to get to an A level. And that it will take 10 string clubs to do that.

However, limiting the ability of some clubs to get better, because they are doing a good job, does not improve the overall standard. Rather takes it back to a level C. Because limiting the rich does not improve the poor.

ie Woodville had plenty of kids and were doing well come 3/4 years ago. Performing well at State Champs etc. So its not like they can't do well. Just matters what decisions they make to get them back to that point and then to point A.

Woodville would not merge with Magic, no chance they would merge with Bearcats, their committee would rather fold then accept help but now some of Woodville Committee dead wood has gone you never know but again some of that wood is still there

Growler, You clown. Once again a Southerner coming and bagging clubs that HAVE acheived something. You never learn do you?

But Jack, how do these other clubs raise thier standards WITHOUT weakening the stronger clubs.

If it was easy, they'd be doing it.
If it was harder, and they had the want/resources (or directed those resource appropriately!), they'd still be doing it.

They don't, so they don't. Easier to point fingers and whinge.

Jack, you won't rebuild Woodville as they left it too late. They don't have coaches or players and just a handful of girls teams none of which are strong. Is it fair to other clubs, parents and players who have to travel and pay for sub standard opposition?
Isn't that killing interest and is it likely to grow district?
Fewer clubs all playing competitive basketball would strengthen the sport.
Basketball is one of the few remaining sports that allows players to play for any district team they choose without impediment and the better clubs did not allow individuals to hijack their club's agendas and therefore they should not have to bailout these weaklinks who chose shortsighted self interest.
Introducing zones which is the only way these clubs can survive will weaken the strong clubs and put money in the pockets of fools who directed the clubs to the shambles they are in now.
I don't know if Centrals can continue to build on the impetus of last season but at least there was change, Mavericks are dud as are souths. How long before BSA recognize these clubs hold the sport back and force amalgamations or eliminate them or are we stuck forever with a comp that is always going to be short of the mark.

Where's Lynn Holland now, she absolutely bake families for leaving, hello she is now smelling the roses in greener pastures until they dry up, then the merry-go round starts again!

#397 of course Woodville can be rebuilt.

It happens all the time. All you've done is focus on the negative. What about the other side.

Opportunities are there now for new people to put their hand up to coach or get involved.

Opportunities are there now for Div 2 or 3 coaches from other clubs to move there and take up a Div 1 program.

Opportunities are there now for coaches whom may have taken a break from the sport or lost interest in the past to now make a return.

Same opportunities are there for players as well.

And in 12 months everyone moves up a level. Meaning new people have to be recruited by every club every year. The current situation doesn't stop Woodville attracting new families and players to the sport and their club. What does a new Under 10 parent care about ABA or Under 18 issues. As long as they service the Under 10 family they'll be happy and stay.

Work from the bottom up and the club will continue to exist and actually grow.

People like you need to stop being so extreme and claiming clubs are finished when that sinply isn't the case.

How did Woodville 16 girls go and who is now in the team also is Brooke still coaching?

Did their div 2, 14's make an appearance?

What happened was the three strongest 16s girls were elevated to the 18s so that they could field a team, tht is why the sudden drop from 1s to 3s for the others. Even with those girls playing the 16 ones ost to north in round 1 by 75 points.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul

So did they just move up an age group or did they go to Sturt in the end?

14's forfeited

Brooke was coaching them when they were in div1 I don't know if shes still doing it now theyve been dropped, apparently the under 16 girls did alright in the 18's although they lost to Sturt, but I heard the team was reasonably competetive

Where to now for the club, especially the girls, do they try and get the girls back that have left?

It's been apparent for two or three years that the girls were falling over but nothing changed. Last year it was crystal clear that unless 'x' happened 'y' would occur.
It would seem the committee is equally divided in its support for one side or the other and each side has a vested interest in preventing the other side from gaining sway.
By the time the change faction gain power the old guard will have a girl's section with no girls at all and make the change groups job almost impossible.
The girl's side blame the boy's side for no Magic merger and the boys side blame a particular person for the mess and so it goes on.
Whatever happens, and it would seem only a merger could save them, better happen quickly.
Across basketball at the moment the girls are in a bit of state and it's not a good time for any club trying to recruit. Woodville are not the only club experiencing difficulty with girl numbers but they seem the only club incapable of solving their underlying base issues first.

Kym Clark = no magic merger

Then Kym Clark does not have the best interest of the club at hand and should be asked to step aside before it is too late . BSA must step in now!

I would argue that BASA did not have the best interests of Woodville at hand when they allowed a social club into the district competition. Let's not forget that BASA and now BSA only operate from revenue generated from district basketball. Seems they should be looking after Woodville to me!!

BSA didn't stop the merger, the Woodville committee did that and they should hang their collective heads in shame as they have irrevocably damaged their brand.
How long should the other clubs have to wear byes and forfeits weekly? How long before players and parents kick up about twiddling their thumbs when they should be playing?
Souths, centrals, Woodville and Mavs should be made to put in combined age group teams so that there is a competition because it sucks big time now.

Then the parents of both clubs, magic and Woodville should demand a meeting as their hard earned money should not be wasted or what is more likely to happen after the current season is they will leave, can Woodville survive soley on male side of Bball, how can one person sink a club, Lyn saw the writing on wall as well as their top juniors

The writing on the wall was self scripted over ten years and if you were in sole charge of a club being senior coach, junior coach, JDO and secretary, you would either take the credit on your departure for leaving a club in good shape and better for your involvement or take responsibility for the non existent junior girls program and its present mess. It's one or the other.

What should not be negotiable, is that the committee which allowed the situation to get to this point continue. They should resign and an extraordinary general meeting called to resolve the issues and to chart an immediate rescue package.

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Correct, but do the parents and members of the committee have the b..ls to do so, before it is tooo late, a slow death is near on Woodville Road if something is not done!

Then the future does not look bright on Woodbille Road

999 my child plays at Wdbc and we did not receive notification and if I did Iwould been in favour of a merge you just have to look at the SANFL who won this years flag I say they would not have done if on their own as they probably would nod have been around so the committee must get back to sensible thinking that means with their head not their heart if they want to be successful competitive and survive. But I think we are all flogging a dead horse!

SASI was a good idea but it favors those kids from the more effluent suburbs

Wrong KMD, trainings have been held at SASI (Western suburbs) as well as Seymour College (Eastern suburbs) for as long as I can remember. I am not sure how SASI pulling out will affect this but Western suburbs kids have been well suited geographically for man years. Thanks for your input.

Um, how? They go to SASI in the Western Suburbs when Under 16's trainings are on. What is so difficult about that for Western suburbs coaches?

The Under 16's have been there and then Under 18's at Seymour in the affluent (not effluent which is waste by the way) part of town. So all the Western kids have a close by session for two years and have to travel for two years, and vice versa for the Eastern kids.

The kid who lives far South or far North has to travel all the time, so I'm glad you don't live there. Once again, thanks for your intelligent and incisive comments.

Warriors got rid of Willie Janette/Lynne Holland & David Gould left also,now who is left to coach girls teams?The program has so many holes in it ,we should ask Wests sacked coach Corey to come and organize something because now we are almost as low as we can go!

That strategy has worked well at Centrals. The local kids are displaced by Kadina kids who come down for a couple of seasons max, get sick of the travel, stop, then Centrals are left with disgruntled locals. Short term gain.

Girls from Western that are at west should return & play for a unified Woodville +Western club.Some have been hard done by,our best player got offered a div1position at Forrestville , she declined and was put in a West div2 team.A combined div 1 team on woodville rd would be a much better option.

Last year at least 6 Woodville u16 girls went to West as well there must a problem on Woodville Rd if that many just walk!

Actually the player played div 1 last year at West,my daughter informed me!Working night shift is crap,maybe some of your cough syrup might do me some good.Anyway she should be playing on woodville rd.

Move over woodville the Magic is in the house,only 2 places in district for west teams and that is us and west Adelaide.You are heading the way of the dinosaurs,its our time so move over you has been.

506,
You are so off the mark Magic must combine with Woodville because neither of you will survive on your own and when it happens it should be under the Woodville banner

Did the Warriors use u12's in the 14s Friday?

506,

I am sure BSA won't make the same mistake as BASA. Would be interesting if BSA did though as would that trigger Basketball Adelaide considering whether they would take over running District Basketball from BSA? How many District clubs are supporters of Magic??

Magic has friends,and we will not die-we are like a cockroach we can live for weeks with our heads chopped off.Those who swim will not drown- Confucius say!

The green uniforms are not trendy 4 girls.

They don't have the number or quality of players to put teams of district level in any of their girl sides. They robbed the 16s to appease influential parents and put them in 18's and now don't have div 1 's in 16 or 14 age groups which begs the question as to what the definition of a district club is. There is serious doubt whether they will have teams in 14 and16's at all.
Players at Woodville are now seeing Magic as a better alternative because at least they have teams, some coaches and a management not about self advancement.

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