so is that friday morning Aus time or Spanish time? im hoping its Aus time so i can watch it thursday night here.

Its early morning Australian time - 5:30am according to the site I checked earlier. I'm not very hopeful that I'll find a stream, but maybe someone will come through for us!

I would be very surprised if this isnt streamed live from the ACB website, which would mean almost every streaming site will be running it. Touch wood.

Fingers crossed Paul!

Yes indeed. I saw one live stream site's schedule and it didnt have it down. Things can change though, hopefully...

What's the ACB website Paul? Or did you mean ABC?

I often use MyP2P to find basketball streams, but I have not been able to access that page recently. This has happened before but then it has come back. Maybe its been shut down for breach of copyright or something?

Ola
I been trying to find the last few games... I ain't no techy but just hunting round google I got this site http://www.oleoletv.com/watch/live/stream/online/free/tv/video/channel/feed/link/broadcast/vivo/gratis/p2p/0/august/26/2011/basketball/spain-vs-australia.html

Is it suss? Go patty get into em

Beantown - the ACB website is the Spanish Basketball League (Liga) website.

www.acb.com - the hyperlink below:

Official Spanish ACB Website

Watch ACB & Spanish national team games online here: Official ACB TV Website

Thanks guys, thats a couple of good leads! Hopefully one of them comes through!

is it definitely 5:30am Australian time?

Here is a legit Spanish link to watch the game on: http://www.lasextadeportes.com/inicio

sound like porn lol

Thanks a bunch LC, will definitely be getting up for this one!

Werd Fellaz......

Ok, that site that LC gave a link to says that game time is 9:30pm Thursday night, presumably Spanish time as it is a Spanish website. That is 7:30 behind Adelaide, so tip off should be 5am for us Croweaters.

1hour



would loe to see a miracle

so what do we press when the games on?

ots startin

can any1 record it?

Alright, nice stream LC! Good work mate. Lets go Boomers!

we doin ok thus far

Yeah, a few too many fouls from us, but defensively we've been really solid and we have created some decent shots from our offence as well.

What I want to know is, what is wrong with Newley and Maric? They haven't seen any time yet and we really need them.

Spain starting to control the game a bit now. Its mainly Ibaka inside with his shot-blocking, turning what would normally be an easy score for us into easy fast break points for Rubio!

We have to start hitting some of those open threes we are getting because we have no post scoring options at all.

baynes finally doing something

huge game by baynes already

we would be winnin if not for buggered easy shots..... id say were doin ok...

where is maric & newley ?

good point, neither team playin well offensively. D is nice tho....

Holding Spain to 30 at the half is an outstanding effort. As others have said we are missing plenty of open looks. Missing Newley with his recent hot shooting.

Boomers 0/10 from 3pt Say no more.....

An interesting question anon. Its really only Pau Gasol on the big contract, but Ibaka has about $7mill on his contract over three years. In then end I suspect its because Spanish basketball has a lot more money than BA, but I'd be interested to know how much it cost them vs how much it would cost us to get Bogut in the green and gold.

To me, the difference in this game so far has been Spain's ability to get to the line and Ibaka's dominance of the defensive paint, which basically got them their lead. Pretty dodgy how quickly Spain have managed to get Ibaka into their national team when he is Congolese. I just hope we can convince Irving to play for Australia at next years Olympics!

Baynes has played the best I've seen him play. A couple of easy baskets have got his confidence up in this game.

Ingles has looked the most likely to create and score for us, but he has spent too much time on the bench in foul trouble.

He hasn't scored a lot, but I've liked the energy from Mills. He hasn't turned the ball over much and has done a good job defensively. We badly need him to start making some threes.

Other than that, if a few of our guys start shooting with some confidence from outside, we actually have the ability to win this. More than likely, we'll continue to build a brick sh!thouse and lose though...

Ouch, the Gasol brothers really found their shooting touch in the 3rd. Nothing we can really do about it either, as we just don't have enough size to really pressure their shots.

If we just had ONE guy who could shoot like Gaze...

Maybe one of the worse shooting performances by a Boomers team ever

By far our biggest weakness for some time now has been shooting. Newley being out tonight really hurt, but we have to find another guy who can really score the basketball from long range. He's not ready yet defensively, but hopefully Bose can have a big rookie season for Sydney, because he does have a nice looking shot and I think he could be one solution in the next couple of years.

Would love to know what is wrong with Newley and Maric. Anyone know? Hopefully they play the next game tomorrow morning.

My last comment: anyone else think Fernandez and Calderon are over-rated?

yep, overrated.... how much did we loe by in the end ?

Think final score was 68 to 51?

Didn't manage to catch the game as I had to get up and get to work - but that link I last posted will also be showing the 2nd game too. It is a pretty good feed.

Could Newley and Maric's limited minutes be a case of Brown rotating/resting players like he did in the tourney in the UK? Maybe we could see them involved in game 2?

There was probably nothing wrong with Newley and Maric. Brown has made many statements about wanting his players to peak physically and mentally at the Oceania series, not before. He has been rotating his players to ensure they are not driven into the ground. Newley was second only to Ingles in minutes played last week in London, so was due for a rest. Maric wasn't overworked, but Baynes was underdone, so it was probably a like for like swap.

My guess is that Ingles, having played more minutes than anyone, will be rested next game. Brown may give Matty Nielsen a rest too, having played the most minutes out of the bigs.

Final score was in fact 68-51.

ACB: Australia vs Spain Recap (Google Translated)

Mills, Ingles, Barlow, Nielsen and Ogilvy started.

Ingles & Nielsen scored 11, Baynes 8, Dellavedova 6, Mills 5 and Barlow had 4 points in the loss. Delly fouled out.

Strange how the worm turns, through the 90's & 00's we really struggled for point guards (other than CJ), mainly using shooting guards (Heal, Maher) which we had a good supply of (Heal, Maher, Gaze, Rillie, Harvey) now we have lots of point guards and no real pure shooters.

Great work Brett Brown, you just keep focusing on defense and you'll take the Boomers team far!!!!

Because last time I checked scoring 51 points for an entire game is the way to win international basketball... not...

As I mentioned before, scoring more points than the opposition wins games, not focusing on defense only.

With this mediocre team he should focus more on effective offensive sets as the talent he has doesn't have the ability to create and score buckets without a structures offense.

shooting was woeful. sometimes they played so shit! i want a closer game nedt time

Well Newley and Anderson should help things out shooting wise. Maybe Brown focusing on defence is the way to go building a foundation until we get the big guns into the Olympics.

New Zealand will be a challenge.

Anonymous, I agree that you need both offence and defence to win games, but you obviously didn't watch the game this morning if you think our low score was due to a lack of offensive sets from Brown. We actually moved the ball very well for large parts of the game. Our problem was simply missing open shot after open shot! We shot 1/20 from beyond the arc! Unfknblvbl even for this Boomers team!

AB4EVA, hopefully you are right and he is just resting players. It is annoying though, because we could have really used Newley last night. He would have scored many of those open court layups where Mills got chewed up and spat out! He has also been making threes, which none of our other guys could do last night.

Likewise, although it will be good to see if Maric can score on their big guys, its not going to mean much if Nielsen doesn't play, because then we'll suffer on the defensive end without his mobility and leadership.

Press release says 1/24 3P. We were within a point of a stacked team at one point in the third quarter while resting a starter.

Claiming they focus on defence only is just ridiculous.

Spain are a big ask for any team and great prep for the Boomers going into the NZ Vs Aus series. Pretty woeful shooting from outside stopped any chance of keeping up on the scoreboard it would seem.

Haven't seen a boxscore yet, but its safe to say Mills had a shocker shooting-wise. My guess is 2/15 or so! Think his turnovers were probably down though, which is a good thing.

Dont think you want to see a box score, Mills was terrible shooting wise.

Boomers just had a terrible shooting night, I mean 1 from 24 from 3pt range? and they only lost by 17 in the end against the second ranked team in the world?. Any halfway decent shooting night and they could've won. Beantown was right we just missed open shot after open shot and I lost count of the number of times we got blocked inside as well

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The worst thing to happen to Australian Basketball in the last couple of years was Mills scoring 20 odd against team USA at the WC's. He got an unbelievable amount of attention for that and I think the idea that he was the man when it came to scoring went to his head. I really pity Bogut because we have virtually nobody who can feed the ball inside effectively. And the last thing on Mills, he has never been a scorer (although he has tried) he should be an energy guy, not the man. Really apart from his speed what is he exceptional at? Not a great passer, not a great shooter, not a great scorer, a very good defender (which has slipped a little since attempting to be the scorer). Bottom line is, Australia will never go too far if carried by Mills, he needs to concentrate on getting others involved. The only player that can be the 'drink that surrounds the straw' is Bogut.

According to the google translated article above, Spain was missing several players including former Memphis Grizzlie Juan Carlos Navarro, but still much closer to a full strength side than the Boomers.

will we need new links for tommoros game?

also must agree.... Mills isnt the 30 point a night guy that he thinks he is. Hes an adequate shooter usually, a decent passer, very quick.... but he should not be the offensive saviour. Why in fuck did brown rest newley for the biggest games? why not against bloody great britian? we should have all our big guns playin against spain for prides sake. plus to only lose by 17 to the number 2 team, when ur shooting 1/24 from 3, are getting monstered inside, and are not brinign any kind of offensive rhythm at all... actually is an ok result. and the game was alot closer for most of it then the score shows. Im hoping we can fix the offense... bring newley in, and get closer to spain tommoro.... a 17 point loss.... is a minor blowout... but we know we could compete with these guys if not for such a horrendous shooting night.

I think you're being a little harsh on Mills, Adam, but I generally agree with what you are saying. I have always seen him ideally as a sparkplug off the bench to turn a game, rather than as a starter. When his shooting is on, he really can fill it up, but because of his lack of size and hops, he struggles to score at the basket against good opposition.

If Irving decides to play for us then the problem will be solved, but in the meantime, I believe he is our best option to start at PG in most games because of his speed. In this morning's game, for example, he was the only guy who could consistently stay in front of both Calderon and Rubio defensively. As a result, their guards generally had a minimal impact on the game, with most of their scoring coming from fast breaks generated by Ibaka's shot blocking or from good mid-range shooting by the Gasol brothers. Very little was created from dribble penetration.

Hopefully Newley plays in the next game and he and Ingles can force their D to collapse a little more to get Patty some easy looks beyond the arc. He won't shoot that badly again for awhile!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G108R1FGFIQ

Full replay for this who missed the game

Don't get me wrong, Patrick Mills is a very good Basketball player, very quick up and down the court, and, dare I say it, a GREAT in-your-shirt defender. He also, as you mentioned Beanland, has a nice shot, and gets to the rim well. His passing isn't really that great, a couple of speccys a game hide some truly average passes. So he is a very...ummm...tough to find the right word here...solid player who happens to be very fast up and down the court, ball in hand or not. What Australia needs is a scorer like a Gaze or *ahem cough, trying to disguise word* Shane Heal. I still think Newley could be that guy, I'm damned sure it is not Ingles (his game bothers me, a great deal more than Mills'). I think Australia is a very good team, especially our top shelf defence, but our offensive game seems to have no identity, no structure, and no heirarchy of who should (or should not) be taking the bulk of the shots. It's tough but the coach has to pinpoint who the offence is going to travel through, and Brown seems unable or unwilling to do that. The only other thing I would like to get off my chest is that just because a dude plays in the NBA does not make him the guy to build the team around. It always irked me with Luc Longley (as much as I liked him as a player) the media in this country always thought he was a one man messiah for Australian basketabll. Do you notice how the Australian media always refers to Mills and Andersen as 'NBA stars', that has always bugged me, they are NBA players not stars. It takes so much away from players like Smythe, Vlahov, Mackinnon, Dwight, Bruton, or Proud.

Ingles....Ingles...Ingles....Ingles. Like a lot of these things my problem with Ingles stems from a perception sometimes backed anecdotally, statistically and intangibly. It has been a long road to my feeling that he is, at international level at least, a fairly benign influence. It started with him being touted as the next big thing and he had that intoxicating mix, a 'long' wing player with athleticism and three point shooting, he resembled a young Toni Kukoc (one of my favourite players). Since those 'salad days' I have been waiting for him to become the dominate player of promise. He appears to have peaked and is now, IMHO, a streaky shooter, poor decision maker, who feels the need to attempt to take over games. I believe him to be, not a poor mans, but perhaps a Hobo's Brad Newley. Australia, of recent, tends to construct these teams with cookie cutter players, all athletic, all can shoot some, all can drive some, all great one on one defenders. I think I preferred teams where you had one guy who was dead eye from three point, a Aircraft Carrier Centre who could anchor the middle and swat shots, a beast of a power forward who could rebound, a small forward who could score inside and out, a point guard who was distribute first shoot second, and the best scorer in the form of a swingman. They played zone and everyone knew their role.

To me, Newley ingles and Barlow kind of meld into one player.... lol. true though... we kind of have alot of long limby athletic beanpoles who dont have specialised skills for there roles... there just overall solid players... and sometimes, U need certain roles filled... especially against spain, who dominated inside while we were missin our best bigs

hey thanks sircreate for find that.

I think I understand what you are on about with Ingles, Adam and I think it applies to the current generation of Boomers in general.

The way I see it, this current generation is far more athletic across the board than any of the Boomers teams I have seen come before them. In the past, when we played the top teams, we were so clearly physically overmatched. Now the difference is not so great.

Look at last night - we were able to guard every player on Spain at least reasonably effectively. The Gasol brothers eventually did get it going offensively, but mostly it was superior skill, rather than physical dominance, that got them their baskets.

Despite this, the Boomers have not looked close to getting back to being a top four team as the Gaze era Boomers were for awhile.

This is where the frustration stems from for me. I think there are a couple of reasons for it though.

1) Obviously the standard of intl competition has improved immeasurably since the 90s. Now there are a lot of nations with strong basketball programs.

2) We have a lot of players who show flashes of their ability, but none has yet taken that step into the elite of international basketball. In basketball, one player can have a much bigger impact than most other team sports, so you really need to have that star everyone else works off.

In the past, that was Gaze. We knew what he could do and everyone else was then fit in around him. Bradtke, Vlahov, Heal, they were all limited players, but they were very good at one or two things.

In this era, that alpha dog should be Bogut, but because of his importance to the Bucks and the injuries he's had, he hasn't really been able to play with the Boomers that often for several years.

Without him, we haven't really developed a clear identity with rock solid roles for most of the players. Now of course, I can't be sure, but I think this kind of uncertainty can mess with players heads. Ie, instead of focussing on just making shots, players may be second guessing themselves about whether they should be shooting it or passing off. Hence you get Ingles 'trying to take over a game' one minute, but then receding into the background if he blows a couple of shots.

If you want to be a good shooter, you have to believe in yourself. Ray Allen and Reggie Miller are known for their mental strength. They don't care how many times they miss, because they *know* the next one is going in.

To that extent, I like Mills attitude - the kid believes in himself and has a crack. Just like Heal, he is going to have shocking shooting nights. But Heal also won us games with his shooting.

I think Ingles and Newley need to have that attitude as well. If we are going to beat the better teams, those are the two guys (in the absence of Bogut) who are going to do it for us.

So every time I watch the Boomers, the thing I'm most hoping for (other than Bogut and Irving playing!) is to see Ingles and/or Newley take that next step and become dominant international players.

a side note, how many airballs and complete shockers were in that game. Crazy.

Basketball is such a funny game. We have all seen, at every level of basketball, the player, who, although ungainly, just knows how to get the ball into the hoop. Gaze was like that, if he got his shoulder in front of his player on a drive, it was a guarantee of two points. I completely agree with you Beantown, Australia has never been blessed with so many quality atheletes. But sometimes I believe we are blinded by their athleticism and forget that their FG percentage has hovered around 40 their whole career, or that their passing is spotty and turnover prone.

I, like you, have been frustrated at seeing the talent rise, but the performance fall (the game against Jordan at the WC was a 'Nuking the fridge' moment for me). New Zealand seems to be the team we used to be, a lot of solid, not spectacular players with a a couple of fantastic scorer/shooters (Phil Jones, and Kirk Penney). This makes them dangerous night in and night out. Whereas Australia will stay close with everyone but are susceptible to teams on hot shooting nights (Angola at the recent Stankovic Cup comes to mind). Offensive stuttering seems to mean we will never completely put teams away (something Boomer teams were capable of doing in the past).

I like Mills also but not as a starter. I liked how he plays for Portland (off the bench, generating energy). The generation coming up behind looks promising Creek, Drmic, Goulding et al. But I don't want to give up on this team.

So to finish on a positive note players I think are doing a great job. Dellavedova is terrific, I like Newley, I think he may be there now. Barlow is good. Damian Martin is fantastic, and although slower is a more consistent player than Mills. I like Ogilvy although his College Career meltdown was perplexing. Although it is yesterdays news, I liked Alex Loughton also. He was that player who seemed to know how to make the ball go through the net.

I just hope we can not just beat New Zealand, but do so convincingly, unfortunately for us that means getting our offence flowing.

Damm fellaz you get in it...shooting was poor beantown I will pay that. 1 from 19 from the 3 when I bailed. D is def solid ..patty is trying to do to much... Overall bad night...lock out is killing us Alll ...no bogut ..no good we need an anchor fo the pick and role.....celtics whoorah

I think the Boomers need a very good SG for the future; For their sake, heres hoping the likes of Igor Hadziomerovic or Anthony Drmic can develop into a very good international SG.

Because as of now, they have Ingles, Barlow and Newley who are very similar:

-Inconsistent/Streaky shooters
-Same size hence same position (3)
-Lack the lateral foot speed to defend SG's.

I see the shooting guard as a real problematic position for the Boomers, both defensively and offensively.
The 3 names mentioned above (Ingles, Barlow and Newley are too slow) are all incapable of been effective at this position.
Crawford is hardly international standard (Ive been trying to figure out what he actually does well, He is a streaky as hell shooter, ok defender and doesn't attack the rim well).
So the coaching staff have been trying to fulfill the 2 spot with these guys that aren't SG's, and shouldn't be shooting guards at any level : Martin, Gibson, Mills. (Delly I can see as a legit 2 man more than the others because of his size and he is a very good shooter very consistent)