Some anonymous person

Won't made a difference even the experience mess everything up. I wonder if both norwood teams get to the grand final they will do the same thing they did to west last year and screw them over too

If these refs get all the big games at the abl level then when they retire there will be no experience left. Although I don't agree with the rule I understand where it comes from. I think a 3 ref system for all finals should be mandatory with 1 ref that has refereed at NBL/WNBL level to encourage experience and development, while the others should be upcoming panel referees with at least 2 years of abl experience

If these refs get all the big games at the abl level then when they retire there will be no experience left. Although I don't agree with the rule I understand where it comes from. I think a 3 ref system for all finals should be mandatory with 1 ref that has refereed at NBL/WNBL level to encourage experience and development, while the others should be upcoming panel referees with at least 2 years of abl experience

So what your saying is last weeks umpires were mcd , durant , domeika and dan Troy
It could have been Haines , mcd , filmer and durant

No offence to the two up and comers but best available should be used surely

I think that should be 1 NBL experienced ref (if available) and the most deserving (on skill, not suck-up ability) ABL level ref.

Last regular season game, the Norwood vs WEst Men's game had Weiland & Durant. Was a well reffed game, however neither team has probably seen that combo all season, and wont for the finals.....doesnt make sense.

Who makes the decision not to use NBL ref's ?
Even though they give service all season
Don't think they think they are too good for aba except maybe the NBL ref they are using

Ah well Anon....I guess your West boys will have another chance to try sometime.

Who is on this weekend, not up on the web yet and I am keen to see who is on the big game

As filthy mexican stated the rule is to try and have some sort of succession plan to allow more officials to get finals experience. Like with everything there are ofcourse floors. You need to have the required depth to cover the absence of filmer and haines.
The idea of using three officials has continualy been put to the clubs and rejected for two main reasons. The first is the extra cost, the second is the clubs were concerned that with three officials the games were called differently to the way they had been all season.
I have been told that both filmer and haines wanted to officiate finals, and in no way do they believe they are too good. If that was their thought process they wouldn't officiate at all.

Filthy Mexican said that when "these guys" retire there will be no one to take there place.

are nbl ref's in there 30's honestly going to retire soon?

how many ABA finals would Geoff Weeks & Michael Butler have done while they were doing NBL, however I think that others like Ean Turner would have also done some finals.
would these statistics be shown somewhere?

perhaps a good stat to have on the bsa website

Referees for this weekend:

WOMEN

West @ Norwood - Maidment & Durant
Forestville @ Sturt - Devlin & Domeika

MEN

Forestville @ Norwood - Wieland & Troy
West @ Sturt - McDonald & Just

Good luck to all officials and have a great call!

You can't blame the rule for how it is being implemented. The concept of working through less experienced referees is a good one in theory. To ensure the same referees are not refereeing the big games all the time. There are some really good officials out there that deserve an opportunity to land a big game but there are also a number that shouldn't be rfereeing at the under 12 division 4 level. Ideally we would see the quality young officials doing the big games as an oppertunity to develop. If the powers that be don't implement the rule in this fashion it isn't the fault of the rule, but rather the narrow-mindedness of the people in charge

FM, the trouble is that there is no problem with implementation.
NBL officials are not allowed to do finals.
They then pick the next best eight officials which includes some who are not quite up to the standard.

If they did not use Maidment & Just then they would be giving finals to young kid's who have basically nil experience in regular season games.

That is my take on it anyhow

Certainly when people in power make these kind of decisions they don't think about what we would want (clubs) because I am quite sure that every club would want the best available on finals.

MikeG - ask the clubs if the want the best or the next best?

IMO having younger, less experienced on finals for development is ok If!!!! they are ready for the standard and outstanding potential.

So I guess we shouldn't let the NBL players playing ABA to play Finals then, because they've had their chance?

Filmer & Haines did about 3 or 4 games each so therefore would be ineligible for finals

catch 22 don't use Just & Maidement proven reliable high level referees and use say Frost and Gillings you would have the same argument why use rookies when you have experienced referees available.

IMO this discussion is going around in circles for the haters no amount of discussion will convince them that this is a good policy for referee development not using Filmer & Haines.

it goes down the line you rarely see McDonald, Wieland, Durant do Div 2 finals you won't see them do U23 finals, that will be left to the Frost's, Northcotes they have refereed the comp for the majority of the season they should be rewarded as the best referees available who have ref'd majority of games. Same goes for juniors and down the line.

also too my knowledge, sports such as cricket don't bring back test umpires to do local finals.

Balance beam
Durant, Wieland and Mcondald do not do finals for under 23 or div 2 because they referee all year round at some level.

Wnbl during summer & ABA during winter

The NBL guys of which there are only two in SA also referee all year round

They do NBL/WNBL in the summer
They do ABA (the top comp in SA) during the winter.

At the end of the day if they do enough games through the winter to qualify for finals (which I believe both have done this year) then they should be given finals.

Don't like it.

McDonald does NBL, WNBL, etc as you say. Benn and Nathan2 would have a game a week for the entire ABA season.

Filmer and Haines have done very few, Haines was OS with a FIBA tournament, I think you will find that they wouldn't have done enough games to qualify.

Like a player who played 38 mins a game for 20 games only to sit on the bench for majority of the finals when a NBL player or fringe NBL or WNBL player comes into the team. Limited games just enough to qualify. I'd be mightly annoyed if my effort to get the team into the finals went unrewarded when someone who may be better than me took my minutes.

besides as I say you have

filmer and haines you win, it is because your team played well or you coached well.
you lose it is the refs fault regardless of who is on the game.

those who focus so much on the umpiring before the game are already playing seven players in their own mind before they hit court.