Agreed.

I would like to see all clubs strong as I believe this is best for the competition.

If you believe this is possible you also believe in pixie dust. Warriors rejected initial Magic offer of an association, despite making the most sense.Association model was pushed by BSA as the way of the future so Magic beat a path to Bearcat's door in good faith. BSA then turn around and withdraw support and funding for that model. A complete 180 degree turn-around. I thought the Gillard Government knew how to do that best?
I agree that a Magic-Woodville association seems the best fit. But it just aint gonna happen.A shame for basketball and the opportunities for western suburbs kids.

any update on Woddville AGM?
Any clean-out on the cards?
Coaching update?

yes what happened today @ AGM ?

agreed... that way Magic can stop winning all the low divs because they have kids playing two divs lower than they are capable of, and sticking woodville in div 1 or 2 when some div 5 teams would beat them

10 years ago - woodville were fielding around 3 teams a junior grade and quite healthy numbers / results (classics, div 1 finals, the odd div 2-3 title) - most grades at least a div 1 and 2 team and usually a div 3-4-5 team as well.

west were about 20% bigger and usually had better results in div 1.

Magic should have never been allowed to be formed!

A puff of the magic dragon and gone.
magic arent magic its a con job by trickers.
bring back zoning to get equality for each club
clubs out north way are disadvantage by lack of numbers

What about the West thing that happened this year?

So what happens to the torrens valley , Woodville deal. They could be the Woodville magic cougars. Now that sounds crap.

Why should Magic get any deal? What have they done to earn the right to have any of the big clubs change their name logo etc? BSA should basically say that either they get on with running their own club or personally I would wind them up and let West and Woodville get the kids who still want to play. Make the other clubs stronger and the overall competition stronger. Woodville has some holes in their program but their 10s are doing well both in boys and girls. I believe that West were in this situation in the girls a few years back and have recovered so time and hard work should help this.

Now with that shitty attitude no wonder Woodville & western will never come to an agreement.Its time to press basketball SA to finish what was started with the bearcats.Woodville isn't Forrestville to act all high & mighty.The Warriors started all this by moving back to stclair so go back to the dome and stop stirring trouble.By the way Western is the representative club of the new stclair suburb and with 5000 people moving in the area soon who will woodville get to represent them maybe the predominantly over 50s populace of the same name area.

Look i am sure admitting Portugal and Greece into the European Union was a mistake to ,but you cant just kick them out.There is no problem that negotiation cant solve.We live in a democracy and let the member clubs have a vote to keep western in the district competition or out.If they vote the latter i will keep my peace forever ,however if voted to stay i think woodville should do as i have promised!

ringlord, so Magic doesn't want to promote itself in the area called 'Woodville'?

Better tell that to the person responsible for erecting that big banner promoting the Magic to juniors I see located on the corner of Port and Woodville Roads at 'Woodville' then.


For someone wanting to lecture others on geography you seem strangely ignorant of the fact that the Woodville area includes the adjacent areas of Woodville North, Woodville South, Woodville Gardens and Woodville West and several other suburbs in between. A huge and diverse area with close to 40,000 people and home to one of the largest migrant population areas in the state. It's a shame that the petty bickering amongst clubs over uniform colours, names and suburb titles is removing any chance of a future Ng or Majok from that area playing club basketball in this State.

Ringlord, I would nearly put a million dollars on that it would be 10 - 0 to vote them out. You don't seriously think that the member clubs would vote for you guys to stay?

OK now did the member clubs ever vote to let Magic into district?Now the geography lesson Western and even West stand for exactly that -the western suburbs of Adelaide.Forrestville have been training at Nazareth college for a year now, shouldn't woodville be sending them a protest for encroaching on their recruitment area.Maybe that's why we have contacts there now remember the saying ;an enemy of my enemy is my friend!

ringlord you do realise that the suburb of Forestville is a western suburb too - south west yes, but definitely west.

As for Nazareth College it is a College that is happy to lease its impressive newly sealed basketball stadium to whoever is interested (the gym used to be part of the old UniSA sports science complex) . The SA handball association trains there, the state judo championships were held there, along with many other sporting clubs. I'm sure they would be more than happy to have the Magic train there if they are needing a venue.

What that has to do with your claims about poaching etc is lost on me. If you open your Gregory's you'll see the gym is almost midway between the suburb of Forestville and St Clair.

Lucy where did i accuse Forestville of poaching players which is a highly illegal activity by the way.If you don't understand what i meant here it is;Woodville used to train at the dome- to where they might return one day,not because of Magic but simply because it is a better venue.Now the dome is a pidgins fart away from the Nazareth campus,so another club using it as a training venue might not be good for the well being of the particular club.As for who Nazareth let occupy there gym-why would i care,and yes it is a spectacular venue.I myself wouldn't mind Magic utilizing it.Interestingly enough i have yet to meet a Forestville player regarding their club as a western suburbs one.Then again the Rockets started at Brompton maybe they consider to be one to.In that case yes the west of our city has to many clubs.

Also thanks for the geography lesson,now i knew that Woodville had a population of around 2000 people and clearly had no idea the surrounding suburbs had another 38000.By the way it is a diverse populace but there lies the problem for our sport.Now one of the largest ethnic groups are the Vietnamese community please tell me how many play basketball,or even soccer for a club i have yet to see this with my eyes.Having many friends from that community i am very well informed on the matter.European Migrants hardly play basketball even if they are from countries where it is strong,most play socially because of the cost.And last are the Anglo-Celtic Aussies who make up the bulk of the players of our sport.if you don't believe me look at the surnames on club photos.needless to say basketball hasn't got much to do with the growing populace of the suburbs mentioned.

ringlord

Woodville where kicked out of the dome, didn't leave voluntarily.

#627 - "dubious poaching means" hahahaha

That's one way of looking at it.

No i wasn't ignoring the responses that Magic was not voted in by member clubs,just wanted to see a few answers before commenting.Now i understand where the hostilities come from.Yes it is an unusual situation to be in and yes maybe the bulk of the first players came from clubs close by ,i still cant understand though why would someone from higher divisions go to a club that has no presence there?After gathering all this info i think clubs in the west must sit down and make some kind of agreement,this stalemate is leading nowhere.If nothing can be agreed by the clubs western should be given a chance to go it alone,maybe only playing up to div2 for a long time but what is the alternative if no agreement cant be reached.

Woodville had canteen taken away too - dont Spotless or some crowd run it.
What other income streams from the Dome ?
Woodville got nothing out of the Dome.
Just got complaints from others and now Clubs want Dome used.
Go figure.
Magic holds the power of the people and heart of St Clair

I have nothing to do with any of the clubs out in the western suburbs, but looking at the amount of teams each club has it is a bit of a concern. Looking just at the girls side of it, from U/10's to U/18's (5 grades) this is how each club looks.
West - Div 1 = 4, Div 2 = 4, Div 3/4 = 3
Woodville - Div 1 = 4, Div 2 = 1, Div 3/4 = 1
Western - Div 1 = 0, Div 2 = 1, Div 3/4 = 6.
That means the Western Magic have more girls teams than Woodville without having Div. 1's. In fact Woodville only have more than one team in U/10's, and their U/12 team is in Div 3 (no Div 1 or 2 teams). Woodville would benefit from either a merger with the Western Magic or by having some sort of agreement. The differing fees doesn't really help them either.

Agree that numbers are down across the board in the girls, was just using it as an example of how Woodville can't fill more than one team per age group. I don't blame the players for going to the Western Magic to play in the same Div that they would have been playing in if they were at Woodville anyway, with the difference in fees at the two clubs it's not a surprise that has happened. BSA need to take some responsibility for this aswell, clubs need to make sure all costs are covered and the only way to do that is to get it in player fees.
The bigger clubs have three times as many teams on the girls side, Forestville - 19, Sturt - 18 & Norwood - 17 compared to Woodvilles 6.

If Magic had to put their lower teams into higher grades to play and then got smacked as they would , would these kids still stay at Magic or look elsewhere to play, I would think elsewhere. I wonder how many Magic parents really know how district works and understand that staying at Magic is actually harming their child's development....

In the Know, I've always thought most of your posts were absolute rubbish and a fair reflection of your standing in the basketball community (yes I do know who you are), but on this topic you are making a whole lot of sense.

Magic should not have been formed in the first place, and should not be fielding teams in the district competition.

A big problem for the growth of the sport are fees ,but many children i know that want to play don't because of tournaments for example;any in Victoria $1000 min,Whyalla or similar around the $500 mark-now how can a struggling family with 2/3 kids afford that!So much talent around that will never play.I have seen a lot of young players around various city courts that would trump many div 1 teams but when i asked them about playing district at first they were interested,but as soon as cost came up that was it end of story.

The cost of basketball is a lot higher than other sports and basketball is not as girl friendly as netball. Game times are a pain as well. My daughter is moving to U18 next season and she doesn't want to play anymore due to game times. With games STARTING at 945 at Morphett Vale and Starplex, by the time they get home it's after midnight.

It's not a problem when you're 5 minutes away from a stadium, but after a long week at school, fatigue is an issue. My daughter is starting her year 11 next year so a late night Friday night, up early Sunday morning for training, and training mid-week, she has decided to just do her netball.

BSA have never given magic any favours club has done all on its own.

quote anon -

"Woodville, West, South, Southern. 4 clubs in areas where generally families are struggling. "

Brighton, Hove, Somerton Park, Craigburn Farm, Belair,
Delfin Island, North Haven, West lakes, Tennyson, Grange, Fulham, West Beach, Henley Beach, Woodville Park

and I'll stop there........

last time I checked serious gymnastics trained 4 nights a week.

P.S. I am inferring they are hardly "struggling" areas.

Not to forget that Port Adelaide is "surrounded" by the sea past Outer Harbour, Sea to the West, the dump and vacant land beyond Torrens Island leading to the areas of Centrals & North, then Magic & Woodville to the South. Unfortunately the huge "redevelopment" of the Port has fizzled so where is the growth area for the Bearcats in the future?

Magic do not simply allow mates to play with each other in teams the try outs are exactly the same and grading of players like anywhere else.My children would love that to be true try telling that tale to their friends in other teams-simply not true.And if the players that left to west came back we would have some good competitive teams in higher divisions,of course some mixed results but are you trying to tell me west and woodville are kicking arse in every division dream on.

Juno, I am glad you follow my post with such interest and you think you know who I am. Unfortunately for you there is a handfull of people's opinion that I value and yours is not one of them (and I yes I have an idea of who you are).

ITK - nice try, but pretty sure you don't know who I am, especially because I've never posted as Juno before this!

Keep posting champ, always good for a laugh!

Other states do not run their elite basketball competitions from a singel venue.

That is just a bold faced lie.

"Until basketball has a multicourt facility like every other major capital, that can host all district div 1 games on one night" if this doesnt suggest that other states have a multi court facility for all div 1 games then what does it mean?

Plus, how is basketball going to afford to build a 20 court facility.

That would cost more than $25M.

Just rediculous. Yo might as well say we should add 4 courts onto Pas, Wayville, St, Clair, Hillcrest and Morphettvale. It would produce the same result.

I hardly think so. I'd say it's pretty common knowledge around the place that Winter is well out of her depth at ABA level; in fact some would say the same about her ability to coach under 12 boys. You just need to look at how far backwards the u12 boys have slipped for proof.

Is karens re-appointment officially confirmed by the club?

#068 - they are not all first years. She got them to Classics and then proceeded to come last. Against better quality opposition and more knowledgeable coaches, she looked completely lost at times. I'm not knocking her for having a go, but fact is she looks out of her depth.

Goodbye players.

??????????????? Who's the me coach ay woodville

I predict the warriors women pick up 2 or 3 key players hardened vets who compliment their talented juniors and win 6 game or more next season. A team looking forward to the next 3 seasons of progression. So to anon and all the other doubters shove ya negativity up ya loose c....

Is that you Nigel?

No loyal woodvulle supporter who is sick of hearing negative comments about my club. I do believe Nigel has taken the role of assisting Karen though.Great to hear he's an excellent addition

Anyone know how trials went?