R11 coming tomorrow

Good write up and you hit the nail on the head for the Tigers.

POOR OFFENSE

Problem is they haven't cleared their bench all year and that is were their better shooters sit.

Its great to focus on D but when you can't score more than 60 consistently you would want to be the greatest defensive team that ever played.

Wharfie racking up overtime....

Awesome as usual jack!

And agreed with Southern, pure shooters warming the bench, with guys stuggling to get near the ring jacking up 10+ shots a game.

how much does it cost to get into an ABL game these days? specifically, at Pasadena.

"Eastern have been like an insurance company. Promise everything before the event, then don't deliver in crunch time."

Love that quote

$7 I think for ABA entry at Pasadena - but no pinot or lobster

if no madgen for sturt - will keep their offence down - norwood easy

Speaking of the BSA Write-ups:

"However, Tom Daly will miss this game."

"The Point Guard battle between Flames veteran Todd Matthews and Sturt youngster Tom Daly could be crucial."


FAIL.

Nothing surprises with BSA- have they ever got things right - only in their minds

check out aba TEAMS ON SPORTING pulse one braithwaite plays for 2 clubs ???

Did you bother emailing them to point out an error, or just come on here to bitch about it?

Of course you are probably perfect and never made a mistake in your life.

Credit where credit is due, the abl write up is a more detailed and comprehensive one than they have posted for a while while Jack be nimble has let the flattery go to his head and is not up to his previous standard.

"Did you bother emailing them to point out an error, or just come on here to bitch about it?"

Shouldn't have to. It's called proof reading.

Think it's just as big a problem that south don't have any juniors coming through, no 18 div 1 and very little on the horizon below that. Coach last year should have culled the older issue players and the present coach seems to have the same head set of living in the past.

South lost 8 female junior players prior to this season, thats the reason there is no U18 Div 1. Some of those girls were getting nurtured by the previous ABA coach, but once he left there was no succession plan.
The girls junior program at South has imploded. No Div One teams in U12, U16 and U18.
Their best performed juniors are in U10's. U14s have one won game.
Unfortunately the loss to the girls program will have a significant impact on their ABA program. Their only chance is to "recruit". But it is not looking good.
Boys program seems Ok.
Shame really, it is a nice close knit club but lacks vision and leadership.

south didnt lose any players that was going to make a difference. at seniors you play the best you have got old or young.

Feagles women over Tigers by 35ish. Fergus 26, Minear 25, Borrego 16 & 10

Tigers men up by 9 at the half. Feagles super slow start. Scores at 4min mark 1st quater were, Tigers 22 Eagles 2.

Sturt men Defeat Norwood men by 2 points.

A. Webber missed midrange shot on the buzzer to send it into over time.

Bit of biff during the game as expected.

Borrego's first game , an "A"

Borrego played well. Southerns feable defense and inability to work out she could only go one way made for alot of easy baskets. Still played tough D in the post, and rebounded the ball well.

Dismill display by the lionesses,undisciplined, unaccountable and unorganised.

annon #893

You really think that South's boys program seems OK? Wow, you must have extremely low standards.
The whole club is a basket case at the moment.

anon 951. Credit to South they did their home work.

Todd did his homework to and deserved better. Some serious soul searching by a number of key players needed as for Cummins better she channel frustrations into her defense rather than blaming everyone else for her undisciplined performance

Green57.

Point taken. It's all relative. By Ok I mean they have plenty of numbers in the boys and field Div1's in all that age groups.
As for performance, yes, more often than not it is a matter of basket-case over basket-ball.
Some of the boys who recently transitioned from U18s to U23/ABA have provided some inspiration to the young ones.
There are some very good players in the boys coming through and they will shine in their team, but the team will not shine overall.
It seems to be a rite of passage from Juniors to Seniors to the Panther Army and then onto ABA.

SABC appears seem more dedicated towards the boys program, but very complacent in general.

Can a Club remain a Club with only one program ?

Why is it that everyone makes excuses for Cummins, no denying she is passionate and has 100% work ethic but would do well to chanel Mahoney's court demeanour into her own game. If she wants to make a difference then she needs to find a better way of "leading" this group so that she makes most of her passion rather than sabotaging her own efforts.

Todd will help Cummins but only if she is prepared to listen and has the PATIENCE. Agreed the "culture" change is enormous and there are improvements being seen already but only with a long term committed approach will this ensure success.

Norwood just over a madgenless sturt, but only just. Bring her back in and Norwood will need to execute better offensively.

South and at least one other club have poor leaderships and fast fading junior programs. Perhaps they need to get together and do a reality check. NO planning - same old - South heading South but dont dare question why ? Heads in sand.

#984 - I'd say there are three clubs in that situation - South, North and Woodville.

BSA perhaps need to ask these under performing clubs to put forward a plan of dev. North South and Woodville girls programs are deplorable - what is going on.Its Not Good for the sport.

I hope none of these 'anonymous' posters are parents who have failed to attend AGM's when Committee positions are available, to try and help the Club.

There have been up to 5 people who have remained on the Committee for years after their children finished playing the game, only becuase they didn't want to let the club down.

I can tell you at one AGM, only one person attended who was not either already on the Committee or had already agreed to join the committee!

Not good from 30+ Junior teams!

Not sure which club you are referring to- but their in lies the problem - no change same dinosaurs.Same old new day - closed shop and new blood not welcome.
Given up on AGM. Nothing New.

south is in the rebuilding process!! how narrow minded are the people who want to remove what keeping this club together! There are 3 deservant juniors in the womens program at present! the problem is that in the past the junior have been babied, and clearly that was not successful!!

as someone outside looking in, it looks to me that changes have been made in the men and womens abl program and a much better standard of basketball is being played! Change has been made for the better, and it will take a lot longer than half a season to rebuild a club that has had no direction at all in the past!

Took Woodville apart so at least ahead of that group.

034, You need to set the bar a bit higher than Woodville because your team only beat a team with all juniors by 18. Not sure I'd be bragging just yet.

oldnotbroken, other teams above them have beaten them by less my friend!!

Who are the all Juniors that you speak of? Unless you think a team that the average age is about 27 is a team of Juniors...

to anon #070

Getting on here and bitching about your daughter not getting on at ABL is really not going to help her cause with the head coach!!!!

The pressure at Div 2 women is nowhere near as hard as it is at ABL. So to compare them is a joke.

Just be happy with the minutes your daughter got and if you have an issue grow up and speak to the head coach why she is not getting on.

At the end of the day this is Senior's NOT juniors. You are not guaranteed minutes just because you've come to training.

Speak to any senior player and they will say they had to sit on the bench for a number of years before they even got shit minutes at the end of a blow out. Its called paying their due's.

So to be complaining after 1 1/5 years of being in a squad is just plain stupid.

More importantly.

None of those juniors that were given an opportunity at South were ever going to be regular ABA players.

All that has happened is that they are now seeing what level they really are.

How can someone who never has won at Junior or Senior level believe that they are deserving of a spot in front of players who have continuously been more successful?

Another slant to your south dilemma might be that, if the seniors are only keeping you in the bottom three wouldn't you better blooding your juniors before the seniors are pensioned off because you have nothing to lose?

from what i have seen, the juniors that deserve to be blooded are! too many young ones (and their parents)think they are better than what the are.

But when the current veterans move on, it will be more successful to do what the boys have done and recruit a whole new team.

Would be much more successful as well.

Recruiting two new players is recruiting a new team is it?

Again, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.
One thing that juniors need to realise that not all of them deserve to walk straight into a senior team! Back in "my day" you had to earn a spot, you didn't automatically get one. We had two juniors playing in our State league side back when I started and we had 2 40+ year olds and guess what, we won a Title with that team.
Too many players think they should be given something on a silver platter without putting in the yards and the reality is they move to another club thinking it's greener pastures and there aren't too many that go on to play a lot of ABL basketball.
I think there are less players these days that are willing to do the hard yards and put in the due time at one club. It's easier to just walk out to a team that is lower than yours or to a coach that has promised the world to end up probably playing less time than what you would have if you had stayed put.
I can't speak for the Women's but I know for a fact that even though the Men's coach went out and recruited, he recruited players in positions they needed to improve in. He also had the tough job of moving on some senior players who had been around the club for a while in order to promote a few extra juniors.
Unfortunately from what i know there are not a lot of good junior girls coming through (and I could be wrong). Yes the former coach played a lot of juniors in the reserves (the whole under 16 team) at times as there wasn't a lot coming through the 18's and 20's, but that is a real long term plan and one year down the track these girls are still far from ABL players. They used to taking an absolute licking every night and whether or not that is beneficial or detrimental that was his long term plan.
But until these girls are ready and in my eyes it will still be a few more years, the senior coach will need to continue with the team she has or recruit ahead of these players.
South don't have the luxury or the income to afford a full time JDO like those clubs that are doing well. It's a vicious cycle that we are stuck in and I know it's the same with other clubs. We haven't been given Local Government grants or teamed up with rich schooling programs. We are lucky enough now to have a State coach who coaches te Senior side, so like other clubs have done, maybe this in the long run ill help him recruit good juniors from other clubs (and don't say it doesn't happen). We have a dedicated P/T JDO who puts in hours andhours of his own time, including going to most if not all SASI coaching seminars and what else he can go to.
Just remember people, not long ago South and Noarlunga were the powerhouse clubs, be careful to bag those clubs as sooner or later things turn around. There's an old saying..."what goes around...comes around".

Completely agree should not be a case of kids expecting to walk into a senior team.

Solid philosophy, appoint a state coach into your club & use that as your pathway to bolster your senior programs.

I am sure South juniors will be happy to understand this philosophy.

Perhaps if Mitch & DJ gave up some (Wouldn't need to be all of it) of their cash you could move the Part Time JDO to Full Time.

Panther,

Thats a solid argument. I prefer 'you reap what you sow'

If the last 10 years means anything, it is that South are more willing to spend all their money on ABA teams and chasing titles.

And the current state of their junior program reflects that.

They can aford a full time JDO. But they spend all their money on ABA.

Very good post Panther, I appreciated hearing your opinion.

I think having DJ and Creek in the team promotes excitement at the club and this hopefully can work its way down to the Juniors. Perhaps getting DJ and Creek to help out in Junior training's and offering free tickets to watch them play is the way to go. I know they are both pretty busy but it wont take too much out of their time and giving back to the game that has given so much to them is the way to go. So there can be some positives in getting great prospects to play for the senior team.

#673 - that is the most insightful post yet on this topic. You are spot on.

A bit of a question. Do you think some women senior clubs should join together? This is only the senior womens program the rest of the teams will remain the same. South join with Noarlunga, Woodville with West Adelaide, Centrals with North Adelaide, Eastern with Sturt. Equal amount of games could be played at each others Stadium as well as trainings. Other players that aren't good enough can play for their respective reserve sides. The idea is to make womens basketball as strong as possible instead of having the strong clubs belting the struggling clubs as that doesn't really benefit anyone.

The teams would be:

West/Woodville
North/Centrals
South/Noarlunga
Sturt/Eastern
Norwood
Forestville

KingJames,

There are no junior boys worhty of future ABA selection.

The current juniors lost all 4 games to Centrals.

And last week lost by an average margin of 50+.

Demios, i believe you need to be more specific!! As most of the money you speak of so generally is poured into the MENS program, NOT the womens ive heard..

wow this topic has gone quiet fast...!