yes the calendar was changed to today's date for a draft.

was 29th early last week and changed thurs / fri.

what teams have changed pools ?

think find that some errors were discovered in some pools teams not graded correctly and draws re done

gotta beat everybody to win the thing - so no sooky sooky lala

i know we play 4 of the current top 5 teams

The reserves draw is un even too. Pool 3 play 3 games and all the other pools play only 2.

The reserves champion is in that pool because no other pool has the chance to win 3 games.

GT it is winning % when uneven amount of games

anon you can do that - but make sure the club nominates the right team to accrue points

I can't believe BSA allow 2 teams from 1 club in reserves, It is just purely a money grabbing exercise!!!!!!!
I use to like State Champs but over the years it has lost it's gloss in my opinion.
OK so only one team is allowed points {so what}, it still doesn't give a true account of what the State champs was originally intended for, by allowing 2 teams in, it can inhibat teams from advancing up the ladder higher for club points, if beaten by these teams and as well it also makes a mockery of the pools, as they adjust them so the 2 teams from the same club don't play each other til maybe crossovers, i've witnessed in one comp where there are 2 clubs with 2 teams and to accomadate them one pool has the bottom 3 or 4 teams in it from summer, plus the top 2 while in the other pool everyone else, who are fairly even have been placed, making it all lopsided and not really fair!
I'm not against Pro/ Rel for the normal season {still waiting to see if its successful} but for State Champs make it about 1 team 1 club and then look at the results at the end and compare them on their merits, which are judged differently and are valued differently by different clubs compared to the regular season !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

trust me when the likes of sturt could have 2 div 1 teams - our div 1 juniors used to be able to regularly get a div 1 win against Sturt - now it's back to one team per Div 1 - it's even harder / impossible.
And then we have to sit a bye out.

Bring on pro/ rel - too many "Div 1" players by name only.

so the div 3 western magic teams playing state champs reserves should not play or only top up the west div 2 teams?

Really, that is your major gripe.

That kids who pay BSA week in, week out to play in the BSA comp, get to play in a State Champs. And that because your not good enough to beat them, your club potentially loses points for an award that your not going to win anyway.

What about:

Combined teams from country associations that play under a different set of rules. Rules which BSA cant even make them anhere too anyway.

That these combined teams cant get points nor attend classics or U14 clubs but can displace teams in the process.

That kids living in Victoria are allowed to play for SA Country and therefore play in SA's State Champs.

That the pools therefore dont properly reflect the play in games of 4 v 5 and 3 v 6 and therefore distort the whole comp.

Or that the seedings were done incorrectly in the first place.

That grading of teams has been done subjectively because BSA cant run a proper competition that adequetly seeds team whn they claim to have a grading season over summer.

Two teams in Div 2 is the best your got. Please.

Not my major gripe, but just appropriate for this Topic and i agree with all your points
It is a very disjointed organisation that hopefully will get it right one day
As far as Country teams, perhaps they should keep their own carnival and whoever wins get an invite to the State champs and maybe the winning country teams in each state should be invited to u/14 nationals
Don't know if thats the right answer, but just throwing ideas around

Charon you raise some very factual issues but in a pessimistic manner.

But I believe the powers that be are doing their best with what is going on around us.

I, myself am a "half full" optimist.

Dumb founded - good to put some ideas out there - healthy debate creating discussion.

"I can't believe BSA allow 2 teams from 1 club in reserves, It is just purely a money grabbing exercise!!!!!!!"

You obviously dont think about the kids that enjoy playing basketball/carnivals, they dont care if their team isnt getting the points! it is about development of the kids, exposing them to playing in carnivals, trying out new things within the team.

dumb founded.

Check out the current div 2 ladder.

Sturt 2 earned their spot in Div 2 by winning the Summer season in Div3 They now sit second on the winter season ladder so have also earned their spot in the state champs reserves.


If you think its a grab for money then so be it

I don't know which age group you are referring to, but well done sturt 2 you probably have earned your position in the div 2 regular season, but i still don't believe they belong in State champs.
It is only my opinion and yes people will say let the kids play, thats what it is about afterall {and it is} but if State champs are ment to mean anything at all, i believe all clubs should be on a level playing field!!!!!
BSA must have some feelings for this otherwise they would let clubs field more than 1 team in the div 1 comp for the weekend, so why ruin it for the div 2 players by belittling their weekend by allowing multiple teams in their programme
Bring back the true value and meaning of what the State champs weekend is all about, don't devalue its meaning by making it a money grabbing exercise, make it about the competetive spirit between clubs that it was originally intended for on an even playing field for one weekend once a year seperate from the 2 regular seasons

Just a thought. in pools with 3 teams you play twice,lose 1 game and you win loss is 50%

In a pool with 4 teams you play 3 games, if you lose one of your games your win/loss % would be 66%

I know that in pools of 3 if 2 teams end up with 2 wins it goes back to the game both of those teams played each other.

Simple equation if you want to advance you dont want to lose any games