I have to say, this is a load of sh*t from the NBL.

Madgen had never played a minute (AFAIK) of an NBL game up until this season and should be able to win the rookie of the year award.

Bad move and decision by the NBL.

What an idiot Harmison is being!

...the NBL informed the Kings yesterday he is ineligible because he was a development player with Adelaide in the 2005-06 season. According to the NBL, a rookie is classified as a non-restricted player registered for the first time in the NBL.

thats BS that he cant change the rule mid season, im pretty certain if he wanted to he could. that truly is not fair.

Based on this logic Madgen must therefore be the stand out leader for the Category for MIP

What a load of horseshit! Yeah, much better to give the award to Nevill, a guy who has abandoned the league part way through the season.

How exactly has Madgen's sitting on the bench for an entire season half a decade ago, never setting foot on court during a game, precluded him from being ROTY this season? Horseshit.

And good point Big Ads.

Very good point: Madgen must now be favourite for Most Improve Player!

More rubbish decisions from the NBL

Clearly the NBL has different rules because Julian Khazzouh came second in rookie of the year in 2007 but played a game as a development player in 2005.

If Madgen is not considered it is a very stupid decision by City Hall.


Ingles wins NBL Rookie Honour
Basketball Australia
Tuesday February 20, 2007

NBL Philips ChampionshipSouth Dragons young star Joe Ingles has capped off a stunning Philips Championship National Basketball League (NBL) debut season by taking out the Rookie of the Year award with a unanimous vote.

Ingles, who helped the Dragons to the Finals in just their first season, polled the maximum 98 votes to finish clearly ahead of West Sydney's Julian Khazzouh (70 votes) and Drew Williamson of Townsville (22).

Two words for the NBL

JIVE TURKEYS

@Michael old league and old rules i suggest.

I just emailed Chuck Harmison regarding this nonsense. I took a leaf out of Anons book and told him he was acting like a Jive Turkey by not altering the rule. I suggest going to the Basketball Australia website, getting his email address and letting him know how the fans feel. I'll post my email reply if I get one.

This all adds weight to my new calling in life - finding sports administrators who will make the right call and then defend it, as opposed to making the call that is easiest to defend.

'We cant pick Madgen because the rules say so' OR 'Ben Madgen was a runaway winner and an obvious choice so we corrected an obvious anomaly in the rules.'

Doesn't seem incredibly difficult to do but I see time and time again, sports administrators hiding behind archaic and indefensible rules to defend their own decisions.

'We wont be announcing the junior rep team to the players becasue some parents might have questions for the coaches, players can read about the shattering of their dreams on the website on Wednesday' OR 'Coaches will be available to provide feedback to unsuccessful players but please bear in mind that many aspects of the selection process are subjective.'

Also, Luke Nevill is an interesting ROTY candidate.

Nevill came to the NBL after playing a full season of NBA D-League following graduating from college and therefore came as a ready-made pro IMO. He was 24 years old when he joined Melbourne in the NBL and only just recently turned 25 years old...yet he remains able to win rookie of the year? Not to mention the fact he has also now left the league for Europe...

Something is seriously wrong with how the NBL determines what a "rookie" is.

I recall a Sixer of yesteryear (Matt Scalzi perhaps?) played several seasons as bench fodder for us then moved to another team and miraculously was eligible for ROY and finished 2nd. Anyone else remember that?

This was posted on OZHoops:

The new definition:

Quote:
A Rookie player is classified as a non restricted player who is registered for the first time in the NBL.

The old definition:

Quote:
A Rookie player is classified as
a. A player who has not received court-time in any NBL game; or
b. A player who has received court-time in no more than seven (7) NBL games.
Note: A player loses his Rookie status in his third season if he has received court-time in any number of games in his two previous NBL seasons.

The biggest sporting code in Australa (the AFL) changed their rule regarding interchange players coming off during the season, so Im sure the NBL could also.

The new definition:

Quote:
A Rookie player is classified as a non restricted player who is registered for the first time in the NBL.


I very much look forward to Andrew Bogut winning rookie of the year when he retires from the NBA and plays his final few years in the NBL.

Under the new criteria Bogut is still eligible.

Patty Mills is also another one who can still win NBL rookie of the year.

He has never been registered as an NBL player either.

I can't wait til Bogut suits up for the Melbourne City Stags in 2023 and wins rookie of the year as a 40 yr old.

Not sure how it applies to this ruling, but there might be some allowance for players having played in a professional league as existed for points ratings (10 points for imports or Europe, three points for college).

Would be cool to have an U20 or U21 award actually since ROTY candidates could be anything from kids to AIS graduates to someone returning after four years of college.

Just got an email reply from Bob Turner and a couple of the Kings staff. I have a feeling the "Jive Turkey" email will be doing the rounds. Here is hoping common sense prevails.

important wording is "restricted player". once you have been in the NBA or played pro anywhere you are restricted. I dont believe that Neville was ever elligible.

are you the same guys who slammed the NBL when they allowed concessions/exceptions to Tigers under the points cap rule a couple of years back? Just wondering.....

Dead set morons running that NBL office!

I'm not a Madgen fanboi but excluding him is ridiculous when a Nevill is still elligible.

I guess he is absolute shoe-in for most improved award now.

I got an email reply from Chuck Harmison, he seems like he has a sense of humour...

Hey Lee, I guess I'll have to be a Jive Turkey...I gottta uphold the rules. Can't go changing them mid stream.
You have a good weekend too
Cheers
Chuck

Sent from my iPhone

On 10/03/2011, at 2:35 PM, "" <> wrote:


Gday Chuck



Make a change that would allow Ben Madgen to be eligible for 2011 NBL Rookie of the Year. If you don't, you would just be acting like a Jive Turkey.

Many Thanks, have a great weekend.



Lee James

Didn't get on court. I think he was offered the opportunity in a blow-out game but declined so he wouldn't get the per-game payment.

Not really a fan of this. Give him ROTY and the Kings should, regardless of what the NBL award, give Madgen his bonus! Or ask D Ryan to pay it...

Totally agree Isaac but please explain the D Ryan remark.

Ok, so Madge was a DP for the Sixers in 05-06, but Jules was considered for ROY contention in 2007 even though he played a game as a DP in 2005, which means that this new BOGUS rule came in after 2007, so surely Madge being a DP pre-this stupid rule shouldn't apply to him?

That's GOT to be good enough for the NBL to be able to back out "gracefully" from this idiotic ruling?

orbit, Ryan was the starting SG on (probably safe to assume) a bigger contract than Madgen. Played pretty woefully for the Kings (worst plusminus in the league, and in a shorter time than a few others at that end of the spectrum), then bailed (or was pushed) while Madgen's minutes increased.

Actually, now that I think about it, maybe Ryan should be paying the bonus amount to the Kings as an apology for his play, the Kings could then pay it to Madgen as thanks for his output as an 11th man and 'rightful ROTY' bonus, and then Madgen could pay it on to Ryan as thanks for getting out of his way!

Got another reply from Chuck Harmison. I sent him a link to this thread so he could read what are some really valid points.
Chuck really must have a good sense of humour, his response was- "How can people be so unkind?"
Anyone want to pass the hat around so the fans can pay Ben Madgen his bonus? I'll "chuck" in for him.