errrr this sucks if its true but if we look at the signs there not good?
they booted the ceo then packer-murdoch bought in complaining about the cost factor of the sports content, then kicked out some other high profile guy a week ago [forget his name] then packer walked away, slowly overtime has been getting pushed back further and further into the doldrums.
not liking where this is all collectively heading grrr
HO
Years ago
I think the discussion is more about the security of One HD itself, rather than the likelihood of One HD cutting the NBL.
would they just pay the nbl out on the contract or does this whole new murdoch- reinhardt ownership group cancel that out, does anybody know whats the story on how it all works anyway?
Old News. one HD have many long term contracts with various sports. Too hard and expensive to cut straight up. Worst case nbl get a fat cheque and roles to another FTA with iiNet and Centrebet spend behind them and gets on there
it would be old news if something didnt keep happening that indirectly causes concerns every few weeks maybe.
we'll see what happens but if the programming guy for ten is next on the chopping block after the last two high profile ones that got pushed out then things start to look fairly different
a contract is a contract
I seriously doubt that they contracts can be unwound based on who is or isnt employed
thats a fair call but the instability at ten and often including with high level positions does not instil a lot of confidence.
would love to see things continue on as they have with games coverage however its been great
aussie boomers
Years ago
We all need to email Larry Sengstock and express our concerns: [email protected]
cant believe you put that up some dimwit passing through might actually do that!
Isaac
Years ago
I'm sure Larry would be concerned if concern was warranted. Won't change anything if every man and his dog emails him.
HO
Years ago
Anon #310981
This issue has been revived in the press yesterday with one of One HD exec's being given the flick. The issue about the contract is moot (in the true meaning of that word) but the practical implications are significant. Ten could take on the coverage, but cut down on production costs significantly, and relegate the coverage till 10pm on delay.
If they did this it would do massive damage to the NBL's positition with sponsors and fans, and club sponsors etc.
That will be the bargaining chip to negotiate out of the contract by Ten / One HD. "you can take the rights somewhere else and gamble on live coverage, but we are not giving you any money as you walk out the door. Or.... you can stay with our contract and we will show the absolute minimum number of games with cheap production values late at night...."
Not much of a choice really?
i would say clubs would like that as a result. live against the gate is an issue for all sporting codes and AFL has issues with it too. 10pm replay was the glory days, watch the game then rush home to watch it all again
ho u put that well.
sadly its slowly starting to look like how it did when fox sports slowly got us by the short and curlies.
hope we get more than a decent seasons coverage out of it in the end.
The quality of games are crap - They should cut it and show more NBA!
The quality of the NBA isn't basketball.
If I want to watch two on two I'll go down to my local ring and watch them.
curtley
Years ago
I've said this before but why is the WNBL on the ABC but the NBL isn't (even if it's not live, once a week), shouldn't SBS pay almost nothing for it too? What about SBS 2 or 3 at least?
Also is it feasible for the NBL to be on both foxtel and FTA? Wouldn't this be ideal for both parties?
BOL
Years ago
What we in this forum forget when discussing things like this is that we ARE converted, we're not the ones the NBL is necessarily trying to please.
D16
Years ago
curtley the ABC has to show a certain quota of women's sports each year. ABC has the WNBL, W-League (soccer), women’s cricket (international one day & 20/20 games) and occasionally women’s golf. It used to show the Netball until the anz championship was formed.
Innedmore
Years ago
So soon I'll have to travel to Sydney to watch a Sydney game instead of staying in Adelaide to watch it?
paul
Years ago
I am not sure screenings at 10pm would make a difference to the current audience levels. It would probably impact on growth over time though.
Still, I would prefer to have the NBL as a sustainable product at 10:30pm than a failure at 8pm.
paul if your talking about overtimes frequent schedule changing are you serious that you can safely say its not affecting numbers cause it defiantely is.
at a quarter to midnight on a weekday i know for a fact many people are tuning out, not just hardcore fans but its very much less appealing to anybody at that time, hands down.
as bol said so well its not just about pleasing the already converted, the tasks the league are trying to complete aint conveniently just about people like us, that would be too easy.
if its not attractive to hardcore fans then it wont be to people outside that category.
besides, i doubt the show was put out to make it harder for people to connect with the game but at that timeslot thats whats hapening.
& if we in qld have to hear one more time about that smug faced vg being introduced as the slick front office gm we'll need barf bags.
gm was three years ago and the mess ups are legendary including factual.
time to find another title [one thats not insulting to actual professional gms who didnt gamble at the casino with bullets money then act all holier than thou etc etc) or get his first job in three years.
u can only live in the past for so long, where theres a plethora of proven sins and none rectified.
Overtime needs to cut out the cancer if it wants to get better. it goes off is much more entertaining and relevant.
Overtime needs to cut out the cancer if it wants to get better. it goes off is much more entertaining and relevant.
Overtime needs to cut out the cancer if it wants to get better. it goes off is much more entertaining and relevant.
i like gaze hes smart and funny without trying to hard.
vg tries to hard & its so embarasing and obvious plus hes boring and rubber faced.
carfino is better but the autocue trips him up, he gets more on a roll when he ad libs for himself.
with some changes it could be a great show, they should build a show around gaze cause most that creative side comes from his input with the producers.
the other two are just hangers on long past it.
i havent heard the vodcast but it grantley is good maybe gaze should get him on the show as a guest and see where it goes.
paul
Years ago
Anon, Overtime is largely irrelevant to the big picture, the main product is the games. Currently games average somewhere around the 30K mark during the evening and this has been steady, suggesting this is the core basketball audience at this point. I think most of those would still watch at 10pm. Where it would hurt is getting the casual fan flicking channels and the number of kids watching, which could have a big impact on future growth.
ah my apologies when you started talking timeslots I assumed you were referencing the show (being that its on so late)
hardcore fans might watch games on that late more than likely yes.
as to whether casual fans would at that time maybe maybe not also depending on the day.
friday night games would possibly fare ok, sunday night games, unlikely unless its a nz game that comes on earlier for the time difference.
sorry for the mix up.
aussie boomers
Years ago
10pm telecasts would suck. Sponsorship dollars and viewers would drop off.
Read this: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/ten-sports-supremo-sam-heard-heads-for-exit/story-e6frg996-1226016762413
If you set your timers to record the Heat/Blazers game today One HD didn't show the game and just showed surfing.
They did however show yesterday's Magic/Blazers game at 6am this morning.
packers departure did raise some eyebrows for sure.
could it be that with bris and newcastle making a reappearance in the next two seasons that it will be trumped by one hd having shifted there nbl coverage?
part of the reason why we dont get televised games in the north is the expensive production costs so with a production team already in bris, by the time the bullets are back who can say what kind of coverage will be on at all, let alone for the ville and cairns fans.
Packer departed because he doesn't want the ACCC to block the Foxtel/Austar merger.
But third and most important is that, for Packer, money always rules. And there's more to be made with Stokes and Foxtel than there is at Network Ten.
Packer’s CMH, in which Stokes has roughly a quarter share, owns 25% of Australia’s leading pay-TV provider, Foxtel, which is currently making $500 million a year in profit (before interest, tax and depreciation), or more than twice as much as Ten. Packer has long believed that it’s a far better business than free-to-air.
And it may be about to get better. Foxtel is eyeing up a merger with its regional pay-TV rival Austar, which would give it?—?if the Australian Consumer and Competition Commission (ACCC) allows?—?an Australian pay-TV monopoly and make it even more profitable than it already is.
So it doesn’t make sense to fall out with Stokes while this up for grabs.
Nor does it make sense for James to remain on the board of Network Ten if the ACCC is going to scrutinise (and possibly block) a Foxtel-Austar merger. And guess what, the ACCC intimated yesterday that it might do exactly that. Having already opened an investigation into Packer and Murdoch’s role at Ten it now says it is informally examining the potential marriage of Foxtel and Austar.
http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/03/03/paul-barry-moguls-dont-miss-the-next-episode/
aussie boomers
Years ago
Sorry I'm finding that a bit hard to follow. Can you explain how that relates to ONE HD and the NBL? (serious question).
HO
Years ago
Aboomers...i'll try! it's yet another piece of media speculation/commentary about exactly what Packer and Murdoch are intending in first, taking their stake in ten, and since then, other manouvres.
Its been a bit of a saga, and Ten / ONE HD appears to be a pawn in an even bigger game, that includes Packers stake in Foxtel, the Murdoch family stake in Sky News and the likely merger mentioned here with Aus-star, Anti siphoning legislation and a number of other things that Stokes himself might be trying to achieve.
At the crux of all of this, and in the simplest terms, is the fact that Ten / One HD was an underperforming assett when packer and murdoch took their share. As such they would treat it like a venture capitalist would - buy in, rapidly improve the business, make a little return, and then sell when the stock climbs.
The key to making Ten / One and 11 profitable initially appeared to be replacing One HD with Sky News as pure content. This is still perceived to be a chance to happen. Another, but not secondary option might be to strip the sport from one HD and turn it into a replica of Go, 7 Two etc., which is to run cheap replays, some new but cheaper left field content (Fox 8 or Arena type stuff) and extend the Ten Advertisers into this as mainstream. The two major criticisms of ten/one are the (new) news strategy of ten and the sport strategy of One HD
In all of this, Packer and Murdoch are mates, and while Packer and Stokes are not necessarily chummy, they have drawn a truce of sorts in recent times. Really, its probably three rich guys, all of whom have strong media backgrounds and interests, moving things around and doing deals to create wealth from traditional FTA, Digital and Pay deals - and i would reckon they are only part way into that entire play.
I just dont like the whole principle of it, to give people something or in our case a revamped product that is working and for free, then take it back.
Sure the game isn't perfect but for the nbl at least, we finally have it back on fta and already stand to lose it.
The problem is One HD just doesn't get ratings. Of all the FTA digital channels it's one of the worst performing ones in terms of prime-time audience share.
Tuesday night's ratings (digital channels):
Digital: A close night with 7Mate winning with 3.1%, from Eleven, Gem and 7TWO on 3.0%. GO finished with 2.3%, ABC 2 was on 1.8%, ONE finished with 1.3%, SBS TWO, 0.8%, ABC 3, 0.6% and News 24, 0.5%. That's a total FTA share of 19.4% for the 10 channels in prime time last night. 7TWO leads the week on 3.9%, from GO on 3.7% and 7Mate on 3.3%.
One HD had just a 1.3% share of all TV viewers last night and that is actually a good night for the channel. Most nights it's around 0.6%-0.8% and sometimes even as low as 0.3%.
It means of all the people that were watching TV on Tuesday night during prime-time hours 98.7% were not watching One HD but the main FTA channels, the other digital channels or Pay-TV.
Unfortunately One HD is regularly beaten out each night by GO, 7TWO, 7mate, Gem, Eleven, ABC2 and even SBS TWO and usually only just out rates ABC News 24 & ABC3.
But you can't compare all sport with other types of entertainment shows on all those other channels- the sport part is specialised so they aren't comparing like with like.
Surely they knew that wuld be the case when they first launched One, what were they going to compare it to thats accurate comparison?
Besides how is then putting truckers, some axe dudes and sport movies going to make it better?
If they improved the sport content on there to reflect a sport channel the ratings might go up but they can't say there's a brown spot on one apple so therefor the whole batch of apples must be turfed.
Peter
Years ago
HO - the OneHD move to showign movies is consistent with your second suggestion, re copying the 7TWO GO, GEM approach. The movies initially were from the sporting genre but that presumably was to reduce the chance of alienating the sport-focused audience they already had. Now they seem to be moving to other genres. Looks like a tactic of moving to a 7TWO or GO clone. Perhaps the other part of the tactic wil be to retain high rating sporting shows?
HO
Years ago
Peter, its not just movies mate, I think they are showing ice road truckers and axemen and shows like that. That could mean the sport content is failing abysmally or that they simply do not have the content to show.... (budget's already cleaved perhaps?)
The article linked by aussie boomers suggests that One really only had 2 high rating sports properties - AFL, which they can show on Ten anyway, and Formula 1, and then mainly because of the interest in webber.
My question is will sport work at all outside of flagship FTA and Fox Sports? I reckon ten can put their high rating sports content on Ten, do news on One HD and stay with younger demographic 11, which is now showing new neighbours and new simpsons... but which is ten's traditional demographic.
Have to mention this was in Friday's Crikey email:
The slow rebirth of Ten's ONE sports channel continues with another 1% plus audience share last night. Last night it was sport of varying kinds, mostly basketball that did the trick.
ONE is a popular tip for change with the new regime at Ten. But since 2011 ratings started just over three weeks ago, ONE has lifted its audience to around 36,000 in prime time (6pm to midnight) a night from 31,100. That's actually a 20% increase (I know small numbers), and Ten has done that by adding male attracting movies on some nights instead of rodeos and other very marginal viewing.
The AFL NAB Cup has helped, as it will always do at this time of the year. The experts in the newspapers advocating the gutting of Ten's sports coverage on ONE (and audiences will jump when the AFL starts later this month), have ignored this improvement.
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