:'(

I'll always love you Gabe :'(

Skip, would you mind starting up a Philippines Basketball Association fantasy league so I can still have him? Cheers.

C - L.Nevill
F - M.Worthington
F - T.Abercrombie (C)
G - B.Madgen
G - D.Martin

C - B.Allen
G - D.Hudson
G - A.Gibson

F - T.Coenraad
F - G.Freeman :'(

Getting a little concerned X....

The Daggers this week..

STARTERS
C - Luke Schenshcer
F - Ron Dorsey
F - Glen Saville
G - Corey Williams
G - Kirk Penney (C)

BENCH
F - Cameron Tragardh
F - Mitch Creek
G - Jason Cadee - In his debut FNBL game

DNP
C - Daniel Johnson
G - Brad Robbins

Round 9 results
Xztatik 290 defeated Bizzy 239
DB5 211 defeated TR 154
Lockie 343 defeated Beantown 110
Statman 195 lost to skip 288

I had to mnually work out Eddie Shannons score as Virtual Sports didnt include him this week.
I worked it out as 10. Im sure X can probably confirm this. (He seems to know more about how the scoring works, but I am pretty sure I got it right)

I will email out complete results shortly.

Glad I dumped DeVries when I did... He would of put up a minus on his last game.

I'm dropping Janov for Behrendorff, using my waiver if I had to.

Re Shannon: I got 22 skip.

TR - DeVries = -4.

and you are right!

Now that I have re done it, I have no idea how I got 10!

Obviously makes no difference to the results, but does slightly to the ladder percentage for Beantown and Lockie. I have fixed it at my end.

Not so confident this week. Doesn't Penney have a wedding or something to go to?

C: L Davidson
F: I Clark
F: D Rychart
G: G Ervin
G: M Cedar (captain)

B: S Weigh
B: R Carter
B: C Webster

DNP: J Tom
DNP: J Scoines

Thanks for doing the calc X, those 12 points are going to be critical to me in sneaking into the final playoff berth ;-)

I should score big this week.
Starters....

Cedar(2)
Sanders(2)
Kazzough(2)
Penney(2)
Ervin

Bench.....

Ballinger
Foreman
Ben Allen (2)
Ben Madgen (2)
Webster (2)

Is trey gilder going to step up??
Good luck to u guys.

I am going to drop Webster for Dickel please. Dickel can remain on the bench thanks.

Out: D.Hudson
In: M.Dickel

Worth a punt I think. Good Aussies/kiwis are harder to find than (very) average imports.

Out: D.Hudson
In: M.Dickel

Worth a punt I think. Good Aussies/kiwis are harder to find than (very) average imports.

Right on 9am Lockie! Nice work.

TR uses his Waiver to secure Behrendorf and releases Janov.

Janov & Webster are now restricted free agents until 9am tomorrow.

Out: D.Hudson
In: M.Dickel

Worth a punt I think. Good Aussies/kiwis are harder to find than (very) average imports.

Janev even.

Sorry X. Lockie pipped ya.

Sorry X. If you really want Dickel, make me an offer, but I am not interested in changing imports.

Touche Lockie. Nah I was 50/50 on whether to get him anyway so you've made the decision for me I guess. Nice work. But I would've had you if I wasn't on this dodgy phone :P

Sorry bout the triple post lol.

Can someone enlighten me as to what is wrong with Rusty Hinder? He didn't play last week but I haven't found anything explaining why or how long he is expected to be out.

And Gibbo...

Hinder missed with an ankle. Sounds like he should be ok this week. Dunno.
http://tvnz.co.nz/basketball-news/crocs-chomp-red-hot-blaze-3963430

Same for Gibson.
http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2010/12/10/275981_gold-coast-blaze.html

Lockie - Excluding Penney. What would you like for your waiver spot?

DB's 5 for this week.

CJ Bruton
Devendorff
Sanders (cappo - sorry I took it from him last week)
Tovey
Knight

Dowdell
Hoare
Crosswell

Harvey
Hill

Rosell Ellis is added the the Free Agents. He is restricted until 1pm ACDT tomorrow.

Bid away...

Oh and he is of course a Forward

Is that our new import skip?

Crocs new import.

If you beleive what you read, ours sounds like it will be announced this arvo.

Bugger, would not have minded him here.

I will bid for Ellis and drop Dorsey if Successful.

Skip - To get my waiver pick, I need a good quality aussie. Saville, Tragardh or Schenscher would probably do. ;)

If anyone else is prepared to give up a quality aussie to get the second pick on waiver list, let me know.

Cheers.

Ron Howard added to the Free Agent List as a Guard.

He is restricted until 7pm tomorrow night. (ACDT time)

DB5 - interested in giving me Harvey for Kevin Lisch?

Skip, you said you can change bids to another player didn't you? If so I'll place my bid for Ro Ellis (to release my boy Freeman). If not I'll hang out to see if Perth make a move before 1pm first.

You can yes.

Statman, if you're willing to trade Lisch for an injured player, how about this:

Lisch, Holmes and your waiver pick

for

Loughton and Brasswell

sorry Bean that one wont fly as I need my waiver pick for tomorrow

I bid for Ellis then. To release Freeman.

Juuuuust makin sure lol

On second thought, I change my bid to Ron Howard. Releasing Hudson if successful.

Risky X. I would have stuck with Ellis, I reckon there might be one or 2 people above you keen on Howard.

Or is there...

Bizzy

Gruber and Goulding for Lisch and Holmes or Greer?

I probably shouldn't do this but WTF:

Bizzy, how about Loughton and Brasswell for Gruber and Goulding?

Or alternatively X:

Loughton and Brasswell for Wortho and Madgen (assuming you don't win the waiver battle and just drop Freeman).

No thanks Bean. Switch Braswell for Shannon and Madgen for Hudson and you've got me thinking...

Bean - Loughton for Scoines and second waiver pick?

X I want to shake my team up, not completely gut it!

Lockie, thats not gonna work, too much risk that I bid for the same guy as Statman and miss out altogether.

What about if I give you Weigh instead?

No thanks Lockie, I'm carrying enough dead Weigh-t as it is.

My guess is that Statman will go after Happy Daze so then I'm stuck with Ellis, who at 35 might be a heap of crap. Certainly unlikely to put up as good numbers as Loughton.

Beantown - Cant see Stat giving up either of his better performing guards for an unknown guard. Plus, Perth will bring in an import soon too, so if he did, you would get first crack at them

Yep. I doubt Stat would do something that crazy!

Sorry Stat - Beantown offered enticed me more.

Beantown I accept Goulding & Gruber for Braswell and Loughton.

2 trades in 2 weeks! Holy crap!

Nice trade Bizzy.

Happy to confirm the trade Bean?

(not that it's bad for Bean if Gruber gets back fit. Just sayin.)

One of the saddest things in this world: unaccepted fantasy hoops trade offers.

Stat, no thanks mate. Isn't Lisch an import? Why are you so keen on Harvey? You must have some inside goss.....

How could I possibly do something that silly X when you are dead keen on getting Howard...

Not overly keen on harvs but just want to get something for Lisch rather than just dumping him

Dumping Lisch? Crazy!!

your planning on dumping Hudson though who has been getting better and better each week?

Howard is too much of an unknown for me though and I need help at forward

yeah exactly! Take Ellis, he's a superstar. Howard will be terrible I reckon... ;)

oh what to do

take Ellis

Take Howard

sit on my hands and do nothing...


decisions decisions...

If anyone wants to try and convince me either way feel free ;)

Take Ellis. Im not sure I really want him now. Thought he was younger than 35.

X - care to do a trade so you can be sassured i dont grab the import you want?

Not gonna let you rob me, since you might not take Happy Days anyway, but what did you have in mind?

Don't be deterred by Skip now, 35 years old is nothing. He's a baby! hehe

Lockie

Just heard that Dickel has been injured at training and wont be travelling to Adelaide or Perth this weekend.

It's not too late to jump back on him X :-)

Wortho/Amercrombie for Greer/Vukona

HA! Go ahead and take RonRon. I'll wait for the Perth bloke if it means keeping the Worthinator...

well what do you consider a fair deal?

Abercrombie or Cooenrad for garlepp?

give me some options....

Remember that there are 3 others above you X. Lockie or Bizzy might go after the Perth guy.

I also heard a rumour X that Ron Howard once shook Gabe Freemans hand. That has to put his value up!

Hmmmmmmm close Statman. But I think I'm gonna take a big risk and back you to take young Rosell Ellis, it's the obvious move after all ;) lol. Timmy Coenraad is just busting out...

Hahahaha Skip. Shit! I need him now!

Hmmm - that makes it interesting Skip.....

Shouldnt Howard be listed as a Forward anyway?

I change my bid from Ron Howard to Rosell Ellis.

I will release Gabe Freeman if successful.


I never actually wanted Howard, I was just worried Skip would put a call in to Bizzy and tell him to outbid me.

Sorry for wasting your time, Stat.

I will move Scoines onto the Bench and move Dickel to the DNP list please Skip. Thanks for the heads up - don't think it is going to make a difference anyway.

thank f&*k for that!

Cause I really didnt want Ellis, he has been a dud since he tore his pec.

just wanted to make sure someone above me on the waiver took him.

C Julian Khazzouh (Captain)
F Jacob Holmes
F Mika Vukona
G Ayinde Ubaka
G Kevin Lisch

Bench
G Phil Jones
C Alex Pledger
F Tom Greer

Left Out
F Tom Garlepp
G Darryl Corletto

Confirmed - Freeman released and Ellis signed by X. Waiver Used.

Think you will regret Ellis when you see who Perth are unrolling X!

So has anyone bid on Howard?

What has Stat bid on?

What is the waiver order now Skip?

I dont believe anyone has bid on Howard yet.

WAIVER ORDER
1 Statman
2 Lockie
3 Bizzy
4 skip
5 DB5
6 Beantown
7 TR
8 Xztatik

I am yet to big on anyone this round

I'm gonna bid for Howard and drop Brasswell! :-D

FUCK!

Woo hoo its 7pm... did I just pull off the hesit of the century or what?

I sign Howard and release Hudson because Bean spelled Braswell wrong :P

*heist*

...and heist.

Didn't and can't X :-P

Actually maybe I did... but it changes NUTHINK... NUTHINK I tell you!

Eddie McGuire shall represent me in this case, he says there is no player on your roster named "Brasswell" and therefore you did not say who you wish to release.

Eddie McGuire can shove a magpie up his arse and sing jingle bells for all I care!

Come on Skip! Be my Demetriou...

I thought it was Gabe that floated your boat X :D

C: Helliwell
F: Redhage
F: Gilder
G: Demos
G: Blalock (capt)

Bench
F: Berhendorff (or however you spell it)
G: Crawford
F: Dann

DNP-CD
C: Grabau
G: Martin

Beantown - I believe I accepted your trade and Braswell is mine?

Is 'Happy Daze' the nickname of our new import tandem. Can a one eyed guy daze???

Howard = Happy
Eddie = Daze

I hadn't confirmed it - was close to doing it but noticed noone had bid on Howard when I got home and checked just before 7pm. That was an opportunity too good to miss!

YES!!! Bizzy! You can't release a guy who isn't on your roster! even if you had the right name...

This is getting cool...

I think Bizzy is correct. Bean didn't have Braswell to release, so X gets Howard.

Reply #300115 is pretty damning.....

I don't believe you have to confirm it Bean, you offered and Bizzy accepted.

Your only saving grace maybe that as the Commissioner didn't approve the trade then you're safe.

Bizzy is right! And you can't argue with a police officer. It's the law...

If you offer something and it's accpeted you can't then go "oh nah I changed my mind".

If that's the case then TR - I offer you Adam Ballinger for Blagoj Janev.

Oh wait I changed my mind so even if you accept it can't go through.

The above is a sarcastic post BTW just so I don't lose Balls for Blagoj.

Absolutely correct Biz!

Actually, I may have jumped the gun....

Bean has to confirm that he's happy for the trade to go down. The Commissioners (skip) did ask the question, and Bean hasn't responded with a 'yes' or 'no'.

Mind you, once a players is mentioned in a trade where one party has agreed, can the players owner then drop/waiver him without notified the other trading party.. Should the players owner formally decline the trade before dropping the player??? Smells like Donald Sterling..

wow, i dissapear for 45 minutes and all hell breaks loose.

Beantown has secured Howard and released Braswell who will now be restricted until Tuesday due to the time.

Bean didnt confirm that he was happy to trade so the trade was not final. After any offer, both partys must then confirm, just like the previous trade. Sorry Bizzy.

Last week when TR and Lockie traded players, TR had to confirm before it went through.

Besides that, I have an email here from Skip saying I need to confirm the trade.

And TR couldn't trade Blagoj since he is no longer on his roster. Much like Bean and Bras(s)well...

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Demetriouuuuuuuuuuuu

Janov for walking fart bubble for Balls... I'd do that in a second if I had Janov..

I'll offer Behrendorff for Balls who is much better than the walking fart bubble.

wow, i dissapear for 45 minutes and all hell breaks loose.

Beantown has secured Howard and released Braswell who will now be restricted until Tuesday due to the time.

Bean didnt confirm that he was happy to trade so the trade was not final. After any offer, both partys must then confirm, just like the previous trade. Sorry Bizzy.

At this stage I would like to point out that Bizzy is co-commissioner, despite Skip doing everything now :D, and can challenge this decision...

Thanks Skip. And sorry Bizzy, I had fully intended to make that trade because I thought there would be no chance Howard would still be available at a couple of mins to 7! But since he was... Saa Weet!!!

I have a VERY unbalanced team now though. This could still turn out very bad for me if Howard is actually crap!

wow, i dissapear for 45 minutes and all hell breaks loose.

Beantown has secured Howard and released Braswell who will now be restricted until Tuesday due to the time.

Bean didnt confirm that he was happy to trade so the trade was not final. After any offer, both partys must then confirm, just like the previous trade. Sorry Bizzy.

Stop rubbing it in.

I was riding with you and Bizzy X, but after reviewing the trade that I did, it did have to be confirmed by skip. Bizzy has a conflict of interest on this decision :)


I call a meeting of all owners to vote on this one and throw up some questions.

1) Was the trade finalised???

In my opinion, it wasn't as Bean didn't confirm he was happy for the trade to go down.

2) Was Braswell (or Brasswell) Bizzy's player at the time Bean waiver him.

In my opinion, Braswell (or Brasswell) was still Bean's player as the trade hadn't been confirmed or finalised by the Commissioner.

Very much a Donald Sterling scenario.....

The same thing happened a few weeks ago with DB5. (Cant remember if he was the trader or the tradie) But either DB or the other party (Lockie?) wasnt happy.

and what if X had also accepted his offer in the same post, he would still need to confirm which one (if any) he wanted.

Beantown, happy to take one of your Adelaide imports off your hands if that's a problem. I'll give you Hudson for Shannon and throw in your man Madgen for any of your guards.

Hey Bean

I dare you to offer Howard in a trade to X....

Wortho or Ambercrombie or Gibson would be alright in your squad.

DB would of been the tradie.. He's a receiver not a giver :)

Lol now why would I want Howard??

Yeah I agree with skip's decision and was well aware that it had to be confirmed but I had to give it a shot now didn't I lol.

Spelling Braswell wrong however, that's not on...

My view is the trade between Bean and Bizzy hadn't been confirmed.

An offer was made to "test the waters". Bizzy agreed to the offer but Bean had not confirmed the trade and decided it was not in his best interests. If you cannot put a proposal to someone to "test the waters" trades will never happen!

Precedence has been set earlier on in the year when I believe Skip did offer Penney (prior to coming back to the NBL) to me and I agreed, but Skip did not confirm, therefore trade did not proceed.

And then just last week, DB agreed to a trade I proposed last week but because I did not confirm it did not go through - a better offer was made.

I propose to keep the trade process as it stands now as I think it works, but think if it is not in the rules, it needs to be added.

And my second waiver pick is still up for grabs for the right trade. Some people may need it to pick up the Perth Import coming in, assuming Statman doesn't pick them up.

My problem is I didn't bid on Howard purely because I was getting Braswell, hence he was still available.

Statman still keen on the deal you offered me?

I didn't think of Bizzy's angle... That's a valid point.

I see your point Bizzy, thats why it needs to be written into the rules if not already. And as the posts above mention, precedence has been set in previous weeks.

I guess you can still bid for Braswell now though and being third on the wavier order, I am sure you are going to get him..

Yeah but then I lose my waiver spot for Braswell, was happy to trade for him but don't want to use my third pick.

Oh well.

Fantastic point Bizzy. Change your mind now Skip.

What would you have done if you knew the trade hadn't have gone through Bizzy? I guess it is a mute point but just curious.

I would probably have put a bid in for Howard.

Haha TR, I am pondering possible trades to balance my team up a bit, but not sure what might work yet.

X, I like Madgen, but Hudson is not going to get it done.

Skip - Schenscher for Davidson? Both average around the same points.

Wow that was good reading, Agree that Skip has made the right call but also feel for Bizzy as he no doubt would ahve tried to grab Howard.

Bizz, trade.....yep Im still open to offers, what you thinking?

Gruber & Goulding for Lisch and Holmes?

I am going to drop Scoines for Brebner please Skip.

Hmmmmm okay Bean I guess the only way to trade imports is to give up RoRo so...

Loughton and Shannon for Damo Martin aaand Ellis?

I think I'd lose a bit on average there but they'd fit my schedule better. This is only a 'testing the water' offer :S, I think I remember skip saying the trader has to confirm it or something anyway.

Bizzy, leave it with me, originally wanted that deal so I could get Ellis. Ill let you know ASAP

Hmmm interesting offer X. Sticking points would be Shannon - I'd prefer to keep him over Howard - and the fact that I'm trading two players who have played 9 games for two who have played 11. Let me think it over, but if you'd take Howard instead, I'm more likely to agree.

Better post the Bloodgers team for this week.

Crosswhite
Loughton
Hinder
Campbell
Shannon (c)

Boucher
Walker
Henare

Howard
Knight

No worries Bean. No thanks to Howard though, I'm borderline on this trade as it is and you always take a good PG over a good SG. Let me know.

Lockie - Throw in a waiver swap and i'll consider it.

The law regarding offer and acceptance only requires an offer by party A, with all of the fundamental terms defined with sufficient clarity, that remains open for acceptance (that is, not withdrawn) at the time party B communicates (or in this case, posts) an acceptance.

Bizz, it might be worth your while appealing the decision!

I would have thought if the 'three-way handshake' rule was going to be in place (that is: offer, acceptance, confirmation), you would want that written fairly clearly into the rules.

If you don't want to be bound by an offer you make, either don't make the offer or make it clear it is not an offer capable of acceptance.

Oh dear, now we are getting into law.

XY - What if, for instance, I made 2 offers using the same players to 2 different people?

Cheers XY. I just did all that shit in a 'Commercial Law' course this year actually. Wait... you didn't just read this whole thread did you...

So it's settled. Bizzy, lets sue Skip :D

Skip

If we are going to throw in the waiver swap as well, would you swap DJ with my other centre that doesn't play ever!!

um, let me think....

NO

Same as a shop I would've thought Skip. You offer an item for sale, first to walk in and accept the offer gets it. About right XY?

Well, my view, and this has always been the case with this League is..

The initial Offer is a 'verbal offer'. This then needs to be followed by the 'contract signing' of both parties. So both need to then confirm they are happy with the trade.

as for the 'Law' Screw that! I AM THE LAW!

The mission for all of you - start legal proceedings and get Hoops FNBL 2010 mentioned in the paper.

at least now with Julian Asange out of jail we can look forward to the release of any cables sent to/from our beloved commisioner that may show him to be currupt!

Lol at the last 3 comments hahaha. Give us a mention Boti.

LOL at this whole thread...Gold.

Harsh TR, you will get yours.. ; )

I have also put the kybosh on lockie after he reneged on our deal last week.

Starters
C - Wilkinson (c)
G - L Martin
G - Goulding
F - Ballinger
F - Forman

Bench
Burston
Gruber
Wagstaff

DNP
Dillon
NG

Jason Cadee FTW

My entire team (other than Huddo) FTL!

Yep skip - this kid is special, just hope he can go again next week.


he has a MASSIVE ammount of work to do in the gym (anywhere tahts sells food) but his court smarts and very very good

A lazy 164 from Captain Kirk this week. Happy with that. Now if the rest of my team could pull the line.

Skip,

If you have a car/house to sell, and offer it for sale separately to two different people, and then both accept before you can withdraw one offer, you have two enforceable contracts to settle on. A dilemma unless you have two identical cars/houses to sell, which is of course impossible. Breach of contract here we come!

The 'you must sign the contract' line doesn't necessarily work either. Contracts can be oral and yet enforceble, even when there is an intention to enter into a more formal written contract. Depends on whether there is certainty as to the terms of the contract.

Here though, with both offers being open and known to the offerees, you can probably rely on an implied term of 'first in best dressed'.

Glad to help make the situation clear as mud.

Im pretty sure with houses can't be sold verbally.

Skip, not entirely true. Yes, there is the old Statute of Frauds (UK) requirement (Law of Property Act SA) that an interest in land be executed in writing.

But nevertheless an oral agreement in relation to an interest in land, that has been part-performed by the parties, can in exceptional circumstances give rise to a binding contract. Similarly, the Statute of Frauds may not protect a person who relies on the 'executed in writing' requirement to knowingly defraud a purchaser.

But kiddies, if you want to buy a house, make sure you get a contract in writing.

Isaac, can plus please block XY from any further FNBL threads?

Cheers.

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