Maybe

while many clubs struggle for numbers the emerging super clubs prefer to run 2 and 3 teams in div 2 with no regard for either the kids or the competition.

Not that it has ever happened for the best of the two teams to have a "surprising loss" to the weaker team in Div 2 to ensure that the case for the second team remaining in Div 2 is there!!

What if the team smashing everyone in Div 3A is the MAGIC ?

I think you are referring to Norwood's 3rd team in U14 boys 2 and also to their U16 Boys 3 team playing in Div 2.

I agree after seeing the U14's that Magic should be in and Norwood drop to 3's.

In U16's it is not so clear as there is no stand out team in Div 3's.

I agree......... That is exactly what the competitions committee must do otherwise the ongoing rumours of over the top support for Norwoods's poorly attended domestic competition (by non district players) will be further substantiated

The U14's table is fairly volatile at the moment and it will be impacted if round 11 is not scheduled which must occur for all teams to have played each other once.

If this happens Norwood could realistically fall in the ladder.

What money Norwood dropping 1 or 2 Div one players in U14's to ensure they can maintain the second team in Div 2's.

The under 14's is the issue. Magic so good but why drop a team in 8th shouldn't it be the last team ?

In Under 16's the Norwood 3A & 3B pools have good results so I think they are safe.

But agree 14's they will go down.

Drop Woodville down. Or are we defending 100 point loses again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our club was disadvantaged by the current rules last year. Don't break the rules change the rules. While we have rules and precedents to be fair to every club we must do what has happened in the past in these circumstances and that is drop the second Norwood team if they do not improve.

In the meantime work on the rules so a similar situation does not occur.

you might be right ....... but until then we have rules and past practices which in my opinion must be consistently followed.

Finals have come early....

Forrestville & Rockets would benefit so that is a good thing.

Still say drop the bottom team. U14's is the only problem

Lose this week and there in trouble

Players move when they have been playing div 2 and club drops to div 3.... They are the closest clubs

Given that at least 1 has moved to Norwood from these clubs for the summer season that would be an interesting turnaround if they returned.

Anyway this is all conjecture - there will be movement in the Norwood teams to ensure this doesn't happen

All I can say is if Norwood3 U16b goes down it's their own fault. The team selections have been in a word baffling. There are 2nd years in Norwood5 who played in the 4th team last year. Norwood5 just missed out on going up last round by 9 points, this round they are undefeated with over 180%. Norwood4 are winless and Norwood3 are just about as bad. There questions over how some kids have been promoted,(Div6 to Div2?). I know coach's recommendations are being ignored.

From what I see happening at Norwood I would suggest that if your objective is to play in the higher divisons there it is best to start at another club, participate in Norwood's domestic comp and I believe you get preferential treatment when you are lured across to Norwood.

Sometimes big does not mean best!!

Coaches make the decision's on who goes up who goes down......

Unless you are saying there are outside influences ???

Is that what your saying ?????

I know the coach's were over ruled and told by the club who would go up or down.
That doesn't mean they didn't have an input but at the end of the day they were told.

Good luck with that one. Norwood U14's will win and finish 5 or 6.

Should be Woodville Gone.....

Agree how can Woodville defend 100 point loses

Woodville have fallen over badly in the last year or so especially in the girls.

No club would over rule a coach.........

That's a joke......

Do that Jack and Woodville are as good as dead.

Why play div 2 for woodville when you can for magic at half the fees.

Great point. Magic play div 2 Woodville drop out Magic get levied a fee by BSA to play div 2 with the extra $$ going to BSA.

That has to make the them hapy.

Kick them out of div 2.

Don't hurt the good clubs

OK

So let's get this right. Norwood selection policy in 16's is all over the place and they still win games.

Woodville DIV1's can't beat a div 3 team.

So Woodville do not have a right to a div 1 or 2 spot...

"No club would over rule a coach........."
Have you ever coached?
I have coached a few years at district level and it's happened to me more than once, and I know of others it has happened too. Just get in the presidents good books and do some work for the club or get on the committee and move up the ranks. Div 6 one year Div 2 the next.

woodville need to slip away quietly with falling numbers and fewer teams than ever, time to go woodville.

Never coached Basketball but many other sports (had it happen once they know not to ask again)and you must be weak to accept that rubbish. Your making that up for some reason.

Go away Woodville.....

how about the player in a certain U14 team that accounced his movement to another club this week at the end of the summer season and then proceeded to stay in the Div1 team and played more court time than he has all year

surely you are better of playing with 7 players that want to be at the club and putting the time in to them. I'd hate to be a parent with a child sitting on that bench not playing much when this has occured.

what team? when? I am guessing this is a player at a lower club thinking they are better than the team. i suppose they are moving too one of the big 2 clubs. I wonder, were they poached or chose to go?

Now thats what carnivals are all about,the chance to beat top teams-haven't Western done that in style.

I do not know that this is true but i was told that westerns girls could have nominated to play in div 2 for the summer season,but they declined the offer. A nd with that we can see that they are serving a load of BS to their members by not being allowed to play in at least div 2. Also heard that because of coaches commitments they wouldn't have him for div2,who then?So lack of coaches,that is experienced ones will make sure they never move forward.

SENSATIONAL GET THEM IN U 14 DIV 2.....

RESULTS COUNT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Magis - Joke and will always will be. St Clair social carnival? How are their State champs results?

Magic legends deserve better

WOODVILLE 28%

You can't read it's 25.34%

Thats right average of 40 points to 10

GOOOOOO MAGIC!!!!!!!!!!!

Must be Woodville replaced

It seems inevitable that woodville will fold because they have not got the numbers to improve. They had their chance with magic for better or worse and chose worse. They can't field competitive teams, can't field a div 1 team in every age group and resemble Centrals and Souths. All 3 clubs should disappear.

Yes BSA MUST GO!!!

If Magic players have to pay the $300 per year extra it takes to be a proper district club and run an ABA team then sure they can go in div 1/2. but they would find them selves in a similar posititon to Wodville now.

Teams who are not up to it. Should not be in div 1 or 2 it does nothing for the players development.

Jack your posts, eloquent as they may be, invariably contain the very criticisms that you complain about, so instead of posting on every thread on the site promoting your impressive basketball knowledge, be a little more selective on your choice of posts and spare us your sanctimonious and holier than thou treaties on why your a champion fella with impeccable judgment.

Really!?

Jack Toft is your name? No Jack Toft that I know of in SA basketball.

Jack,

Is that wjat you call it when someone suffers from small man syndrome and needs to make themselves feel better by pull down the tall poppies because the club they are involved in is a basket case?

PS anon 895. You might be mistaking a serial poster with knowledgable poster.

Great to see all the Woodville 100 point losers defending their club.

Don't nominate and let the real people play

Now what is to be done with western magic,they tried to form an association with woodville and that didn't work because you cant have a marriage where one side gets to dictate everything.Most of woodvilles members said they would get most players to go out west if that happened,ok so what was magic to do?Even if there was a merger most warriors said they would leave-probably scared for positions.In the end some narrow minded idiots would rather see magic a club of over 250 players cease to exist,now isn't that ripper for the sport!

Magic seem to have more teams than Woodville with their girls teams are on a par with Woodvile's . Both clubs should have stepped up, not down and should have merged, instead two women fueding and wanting to keep their nest's feathered oversaw the death of both clubs. West will be the only winner because Woodville are on the canvas, out of breath and about to get knocked out and Magic are being eaten without even knowing it.

Woodville should just get it over with. Go down to Div 3 or 4 or 5 and let Magic up.

As for Norwood letting go of two teams in Div 2.

You must be joking they are still winning games and above 4 other clubs.

Woodville you must not subject kids to getting smashed week after week it does nothing

Wow check the website

Ladder After Round 9 POS TEAM P W L D B FF For Ag PC Pts
1 Norwood Flames 2 9 8 1 0 0 0 372 198 187.88 25
2 Sturt Sabres 3 9 8 1 0 0 0 452 257 175.88 25
3 Sturt Sabres 2 9 8 1 0 0 0 385 238 161.76 25
4 Forestville Eagles 2 9 6 3 0 0 0 382 279 136.92
5 Eastern Mavericks 2 9 5 4 0 0 0 326 350 93.14 19
6 Norwood Flames 3 9 4 5 0 0 0 320 291 109.97 17
7 West Adelaide Bearcats 2 9 4 5 0 0 0 338 312
8 South Adelaide Panthers 2 9 4 5 0 0 0 229 276
9 Southern Tigers 2 9 3 6 0 0 0 347 316 109.81
10 North Adelaide Rockets 2 9 2 7 0 0 0 256 387
11 Central Districts 2 9 2 7 0 0 0 209 318 65.72
Keep Going
Going...........
Going..........
12 Woodville Warriors 2 9 0 9 0 0 0 134 528 25.38
DIV3
Here we are !!!!

I saw some of the games at Mars last Friday.

To me it seems that Woodville 14/1's are made primarily up from their first years from under 12's which drew with Norwood in the last couple of rounds of 12/1's Norwood at the time were hailed as the best team in the country but I guess that is not so when they lost the GF to Sturt.

If the club believes it is in the best interest of the club and the players to play Div 1 this year to give them a head start to next year then that is the club's choice.

As for Norwood 3 they struggled against a low team and only in the last few minutes did the score blow out. I think teams from 5 - 10/11 are much of the same in 14/2's

Basketball SA - I cannot see any article 17 - where is this? Secondly don't you love rules being change at short notice to suit the current situation?

There are many teams who would be good enough to take on teams in Div 1. Now, if only those players played for their nearest club, what a great standard Div 1 would be

Bearcaats and Rockets would be unstopable

Agree with the standard in Div 2. I think thats why Rupert is moving to div 1 for winter.

Looks good to me.

I think you will find a big improvement in forrestville with about 8 boys leaving and moving there in winter in U12, U14 & U16 from one club.

192, which club are they coming from?

Could it be Western Magic with the link between Western Magic President (??) but child playing at Forestville

Norwood all 8.

Norwood - and already from last year U12's 1 they have lost a person to Sturt 14/2's Why would they leave to go to Forestville where the development on the boys side is no where as good as what we are being told about Norwood.

Just processing the transfers......

It does tend to happen when you get a bubble of talent in an age group.

ummm this person who has already moved to Sturt is it his third club in 4 years??

Would there be anything to stop any of the small semi social fringe clubs or church from buddying up with an established club to beat the costs associated with district basketball?
Nothing against mergers at all but this BSA approved 'claytons job' does seem to be perplexing.

300349, that's exactly what should be happening. Its what the smart clubs are doing .

It does seem that preferential treatment is provided to some clubs and pro/rel via all divs will solve problem.

Why not a smart club approach other codes and form a sporting association such as North Adelaide football club is doing with a soccer team. Could be a win win for a community.

Or is it happening already?!?

If western gave out another 3 players to west in girls under 14s ,they would have a div 1 team to compete against anyone!

The point is that West need extra players.

Based on this threat being the longest in history and Santa nearly here (BASA). Magical events are about to happen and wow Magic and in Woodville out...

Based on this threat being the longest in history and Santa nearly here (BASA). Magical events are about to happen and wow Magic and in Woodville out...

West Adelaide under 14 girls could benefit from a few extra good players,and i do not think they could beat anyone but they could have a good go at teams above them on the ladder now.western players choose to play for their club if they qualify for div2 because the fees are 1/2 of what the cats are paying,so they get the best of both worlds-higher div+small fees.

It has been hijacked by Norwood issues this thread but anyway.

Agree with issue your kids aren't going to enjoy being thrashed every week.....

Better to move down and have a chance to play closer games.....

True ,i would rather play in a lower division than loose by a bucketful every week.I would still zone teams,that is if you live in the area you get to play for the clubs within the zone,Some kids live in modbury and play for sturt-how stupid is that.Sorry country kids but i find it weird if you live in Kadina that you play/train district in Adelaide

2teams in any division is bullshit.I agree teams not performing should be relegated,but any clubs second team should not be allowed to move up to div2. Just look at some div 3 groups this year,they are shockers because clubs are allowed to move their 3rd team to div2.If you want this sort of crap invent a new super division of 22 teams where everybody plays everybody in a mega 9 month season.Some of those poor div 3 kids would be better off playing social,school bball.Its not fair to charge them full fees and get them to play in div el-shito.

But why stop at making Div 2 the even comp? Why not Div 1, Woodville and Centrals cop some shocking beltings and there are div 2 teams that would easily beat them, So if you argue Woodville Div 2 should be dropped you could also argue Div 1 should be dropped.
Maybe the relegation rule should include div 1 & 2 as well? Make the whole comp groups of 6 for five round x 3 times for summer. It's the only true way to get the best ten teams in div 1 and the next 10 in div 2.

I can hear the pins drop now.......

Dear Fool,
The competition is a DISTRICT competition. This means the best kids from the DISTRICT competes in Div 1.

LOL....

"The competition is a DISTRICT competition. This means the best kids from the DISTRICT competes in Div 1."

Which district?
If what you say is true then each kid would be zoned to play in their "DISTRICT" club not move from club to club, where certain clubs get players to travel across town, or from the country.

District in name only....

Who's the fool....

We all are, cos BSA won't enforce zones. What a friggin joke that a kid in Modbury plays for Sturt! Don't they have enough good players in Pasadena and Mitcham?

How many Norwould players actually live near MARS?

Agree might as well close down the Rockets and start a new club at Golden Grove play from Rec centre. A rockets Falmes merger is the way to go.

I don't agree with zone ie only play for one club. You should have an option of two in your zone. This will allow some choice as you often get problems, a fresh start can save everybody and not destroy a child's desire to play sport.

It will also breed some competition between the two closest zoned clubs.

Limit transfers between the two clubs only.

hahaha owned,

Obviously a bad idea.

Let people decide where they want to play. Makes club either winge or do a better job.

Because its that simple

That's like saying anyone can play NBL or NBA if they work hard enough

If that was true we'd have 20 NBL clubs? Or is the problem that they don't work hard enough?

Takes more than hard work to become an elite basketballer.

Just as it takes more than hard work to become an elite basketball club.

I agree wholeheartedly with ringlord

Well said ringlord! Only way to go!

Is Isaac by any chance Julius Assange?

Aha it is you,nice to know you visit our site!

I only mentioned zones because when I suggested a relegation summer comp across all divisions, I was called a fool because it's the "Best kids in a district".
Which of course we all know to be a fallacy. The only way this could be true is if zones were in place.

The only way to be sure the best ten teams are in div 1 is if some clubs loose their precious spots to second sides of other club who are obviously stronger but play div 2.
I think you would actually find the teams relegated will find it easier to find and keep kids when they aren't being belted each week.
The Magic/Woodville situation is a good example of this. Woodville struggle but play Div1 While magic will never play Div 1 yet have strong representation.

Anon - do you think it is that or the huge differential in costs for playing for one of the clubs needing to field ABL teams v playing for a semi social team!!

I think kids should try a club within their zone/locality first.My kid started in one of the big clubs only to be treated like shit by a volunteer parent coach who had the experience of my grandmother playing water polo.We then went to the club closest to us and never looked back,not to mention the old club wants my child back at the end of every season.Too late treat your players with respect and they wont leave in the first place.I know every club has their own story's this was just mine.

"Too late treat your players with respect and they wont leave in the first place"

This is the thing, whether it be a big or small club.
No need to zone if this happens. Only clubs who don't do this would want zoning!

091: what club do you belong to?

I will state again.
my original argument was not for zones but a relegation comp through all divisions. The argument against was that each "district" MUST have a div 1 team because it's the best kids from each district, to which I pointed out this is only true if zones are in place.
I don't want zones. My Kids would not be allowed to play at the club they are at if this was the case.
But to believe the present system puts the best kids in Div 1 is a fantasy. look at centrals and woodville in most age groups, there are Div 3 teams that would be just as competitive.

Just wondering if it would be a good idea to let western magic start summer season in division 2 and if they are not up to scratch-put them down by the winter season.Only till and that is if pro/releg will be introduced at all levels/age groups!

spot on mr Mankinis (so wrong :), but the movement needs to be from div 1 down not from div 2.

no! I heard the have a pagan festival celebrating the solstice.

Well i am glad everyone agrees Magic should have a spot in div 1/2.

2 teams in one division from a club is a recipe for destruction and will kill off the smaller clubs. In a small town like Adelaide that might be the way to go with between 4 and 6 clubs tops.
BSA wants kids playing ball in any comp at any level with the long term hope that they will migrate to district level but basketball participation in district is too expensive and the facilities too dated to really attract and retain the numbers it already has.

Anon the majority do not agree Magic should have team Div 1/2 teams.

In fact many, like me, believe Magic should not even exist.

And no I'm not from Woodville.

How do district basketball fees compare with other major sports,anybody?

not to mention div 3 and 4 coaches or uncle Ted and aunt Mary. Why isn't training on outdoor courts in Australia, cheaper and plentiful. Little change out of 750 buckaroos for district ball is out of line with some sports and has none of the perks.

How many club moves before winter starts ???