SAW
Years ago

Youth League - Winter

For other than Div 1 we have just completed Phase 1 of the Pro/Rel Summer Season and it poses some interesting questions as to how Div 2 teams will be determined.

At the end of Phase 1 for Men we have 3 clubs with 2 teams now in Group A, 3 clubs with one team and the remaining two spots filled with "Non Group of 10" clubs.

Hypothetically the remaining 3 core clubs not in Group A at the end of the phasing system are entitled to a Div 2 spot irrespective of where they finish. If they take this up there will be 5 teams (3 second teams of Sturt North and Forestville and UniSA and TV) fighting for 2 spots. The By-Laws say past performance will be taken into account in allocating these spots but how can you use past performance when there is none. How will the remaining two spots be filled? It gets a bit more interesting when you have an uneven number of spots to fill!! The South Pools may have an advantage here as they do not have TV or UniSA teams in their pool!!

Also in the Summer By-Laws it says all games other than Div 1 will be untimed. However the announcement of the youth league said that all Div 1 and Div 2 games will be fully timed. Is this going to be changed for the Winter season when we have moved past the Pro/Rel summer system.

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Phobos 56
Years ago

The by-law you are quoting refers to the junior competition, not the Youth League competition.

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SAW
Years ago

Thanks for that - I see the error of my ways.

Do you know anything about the fully timed games to which BSA referred in their announcement?

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Anonymous
Years ago

SAW I don't think BSA expected as many team to be involved as there are.

The reason Division 2 isn't fully timed is there isn't enough court space.

Court space will be the deciding factor in Winter as well.

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SAW
Years ago

I am guessing with having Div's 2, 3 etc in winter the ability to accommodate fully time Div 2 games might be easier. 12 teams, 6 games at say 30 -40 min longer means an extra say 3 - 4 hours of court time required plus Women's.

If the PA/Enfield council can pull their finger out and make Hillcrest 2 serviceable then that may be part of the solution

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Anonymous
Years ago

Council can't do anything during an election process.

And really BSA and locals should be forcing the council to dump Hillcrest and build a new venue on the same grounds or elsewhere.

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Anonymous
Years ago

kings baptist anyone northern eastern burbs two court stadia

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Anonymous
Years ago

I think also a couple of spare games available at the Dome on a Tuesday night - might not be bad to rotate a few div two games around at the Dome to fully fill all 3 courts and for the Div 2 teams to occassionally have the opportunity to watch a Div 1 standard game. Also it looks like a few teams have pulled out so I think court availabilty to handle timed Div 2 games is there.

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UM NO!!!
Years ago

There arent any spare court space on Tuesday nite's at the Dome. The only time there has been is when Eastern girl Forfiet (which is most weeks at the moment)

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Anonymous
Years ago

Umm There are 10 games - 2 courts have 3 and one has 4. Unless there is another comp being played there Tuesday can't the two courts holding three games accommodate 4 games??

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Anonymous
Years ago

A true development leaugue would have pro/rel across the board, not just for the lower divisions.

More in general: a competitive junior competition would have pro/rel across the board.

This will achieve a better standard of junior basketball in south australia.

If , for the sake of your club, you are opposing across the board pro/rel, then you are placing your narrow-minded interests before overall achievement.

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Anonymous
Years ago

interesting how pro/rel supporters are also anti zoning and are only interested in building super clubs not a super competition.

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Greeny
Years ago

The reason would be that it has a similar theoretical basis, that of competition.

By restricting competition, in any form, you dimish the ability to use market forces. ie If someone is doing poorly, how do yo know if their efforts are in the right area? Or that the 'Zoning' or lack of effort is the defining factor to lack of improvement?

Without zoning it is entirely up to clubs themselves as too how many players they contact. With pro/rel, it is entirely up to how well you improve you clubs coaching and player development programs.

Without those basis of comparisons, how can the whole get better?

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Anonymous
Years ago

Its about building 2 or 3 super clubs and dominating a shrinking market for selfish small time thinking gain

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green 15
Years ago

Why, because some clubs dont want to put in the work?

Look at Melbourne, they have increased club numbers as well as participation rates. And have had increases in participation and different clubs improve like Mckinnon and Snadringham due to their improved efforts,

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Anonymous
Years ago

We do not have the facilties available to grow numbers. Court availability is already at a premium - e.g. can't play fully tiumed games for U23 Div 2's as stated in the announcement letter on the Youth League.

What happens in the next couple of years as this competition grows with more players moving into it as the finish U18's but fewer players exit the competition until we have an even spread of ages across the competition.

Fix the facilities first - then tackle the numbers.

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Anonymous
Years ago

Basketball is not growing, same players in different age levels and comps gives a false impression. Have a look at most clubs div 1 teams, some don't have them across all ages and numbers are falling.
BSA greed seems to be the driving direction and debacles like West and Magic and a dying Woodville are common.

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