Who were the woodville players involved? Cheez you wouldn't of had anything to do with the rucus?

Nah it was Dave Pascoe from Woodville. It went on all game up until the 3rd quarter where I think the Norwood bloke got called for a foul, Pascoe pushed him and it broke out. I reckon there was about 15 people oncourt either puching or pushing, or trying to break it up. Pascoe and the Norwood bloke got disqualifying fouls, and the Norwood div 1 bloke, who was a spectator, got asked to leave too. That's only my recount from another court, so feel free to correct it if needed.
For all it matters, Woodville went on to win in overtime. And I've heard the div 1 bloke could be sustpended for up to 2 years, not just one, as outlined above. But I doubt anything will come of it because Norwood didn't have a tribunal in place for the carni.

the norwood guy tried to start on me as well, bad attitude ++?

Pascoe is at the tribunal right now, if he gets a date there then so should the norwood players. No excuses

i was in the middle of the hole thing.

Wat happen was there had been niggle all game, which erupted when pascoe and the norwood bloke clashed while dave had the ball in the mid court. he then got into the post where the norwood player apparently hit dave in the face. He then turned and with the ball and let it rip at the norwood player. The norwood bloke then took off after pascoe along with the rest of the norwood team, and the woodville players there for came in aswell. No cheezeburger didnt have anything to do with the start of the fight but was there at the end. anyway. from wat i saw, there was really only pushing and shoving, no punches thrown.

Now. Pascoe has been let off with a warning. the norwood div 2 i think has to go to a basa thing or something like that, but should get off, but also could get a couple. Lampshire i beleive is facing closer to a year and the other bloke 6 to 8 months. this is from dave's mouth who was the only one of the 4 apparently who showed up today.

the div 1's in the end just made this worse (i no once i saw them, thats where i was heading ) and they deserve wat they get! it was great to see after it was over the rest of the players that were on the court, all shook hands so there was no hard feelings and so the game could have the exciting conclusion that it had!

dave wont take thigngs any further. police wise.

players involved, lampshire, pascoe, number 6 from the norwood div 1's and number 13 from the 2's

i cant believe i was at the stadium at the time and didnt see/ notice anything!

It was too loud to even know wat was going on

i dont believe Lampshire should be suspended for a year, it's way too harsh when he's trying to crack the ABA squad. did any of his punches land or what

wat punches. and thats his bad luck. he did the stupidest thing ya can do as a spectator. if he gets a year, tuff s##t!!

well if he didnt punch anyone what did he do

If u run onto the court from the crowd and if this not punished then in the heat of the moment you could have some serious situations. Imagine if 6 or 7 had ran onto the court. Then you get people that arent even involved like older brothers or parents. You are asking for trouble if you just let ppl in the crowd run onto the court and get into fights.

so am i reading things correctly if i was to say Lampshire is up for a possible 2 year suspension just for running onto the court?

I dont know as I know nothign about this incident. However running onto the court from the crowd to get into a fight IS very serious.

i have just got some info that apparently he did throw punches. very reliable source. he wont get 2 years so get that out of ya heads. im fairly sure 1 is the max

A bad move from a good player. Lampshire's on court attitude cannot be doubted...but he over reacted in a big way and should pay the price.

We were playing on the next court and as tempting as it looked to jump in, I quickly realised that the players/umpires needed to sort it out...not spectators.

Neat hair and I get to play ball for the next year...do you think I made the right decision?

The norwood U20s have been in the spotlight this week on the forum haha. First Max P*** and his coach leaving somewhat unflattering messages and now this. Its like a soap opera. Perhaps they should all just concentrate on basketball and not fighting etc.

its pretty stupid in the first place. They should all get done i think if it's even one week but theyu shouldn't be allowed to get aqway for it. Especially spectators like lampshire and ohter guy just stupid.... should get between 6 to 8 months for it and the other guy 2 to 4 months.
who else agrees if not have for own thought and fix on what i just said on the matter

i think you pretty much summed it up there food 4 thought

Lampshire always has an atitude problem.... he came on the court and enetered a fight as a spectator.... as a player is bad enough... he should get 24 months but hell get bewteen 8-12

It's true, he does have a good attitude on the court, he goes onto the court to have fun and is a good sportsperson. He doesnt have a big head and obviously loves the game.

If only scotts dad was a lawyer, threaten to go to court and his suspension would be halfed... cos that is crap basa pulls!

i'll have you know that the accusation of the punch thrown was not made by a woodville player and was actually reported by an eye witness, it was sighted that lampshire ran in and threw a punch into the pack connecting with the mass of bodies but no individual player was stated.

This is not the first time a prbolem has come form the Norwood U/20 mens teams. Their behaviour in the U/20 Grand Finals last year, was also poor. Perhaps it is up to the club to step in and restore order.

Common Sappa and Jenny. What does your club stand for. Or are you guys just going to sweep it into the too hard basket because they are good players.

Anonymous, 29/03/05 eyewitness being the player who started the fights dad. His little boy got more than he bargined for and now is out to attack the Norwood Basketball club.

Wat a load of crap. yes it was the woodville players dad who made the report, but he was in a perfict position to see all that happened! he was on that baseline for most of the game and would have seen every second! and trust me, he wouldnt make anything like that up u moron! P.S Dave can take care of him self and he retaliated to a bitch slap to the face from that norwood player. get your facts straight

Anonymous, 29/03/05 The woodville guy that came off the bench #32 got off with nothing.

Wat about the norwood players that came off the bench then. they got nothing. there was more dark blue uniforms on the court than dark green, thats for sure

For those people here that know Terry, you would defiently say that he certainly wouldn't make stuff up for the benefit of the team,club or his son. If he has made a report saying that a norwood player took a swing, then I would have no reason to doubt him.

Spectators should not be making reports .
If officials cant see what has happened then they can ask others .. but who is to say how reliable a witness on either side of the court will be ?

Very sticky ... i'd like to defend my client under those terms... would be very hard to make a clear ruling!

Does it really matter who reported it? Anyone who was there would/should agree that the situation is worthy of a tribunal.

they were both sa refs thats for sure

Wow. Not much more to be said. As a long-serving tribunal panel member in several competitions, I'd love to have these boys before me, if anything, just to hear how they defend their actions.

Have to agree with comments about clearing the benches and stands. No excuse - you're all in strife. It can so easily get out of hand.

Folks - keep posting on this one please. Those of us 500km away don't get to hear the good oil all the time!!

not sure but thats wat happened. how organised is that

It is my understanding that both teams were not even present at the coin toss

i think some ppl may hav lampshire mistaken for donaldosn. they look the same!

if thats number 6 from the div 1's it wouldnt matter coz they were both there on the court

Having heard from the horses' mouth what happened and a spectator at the game, you guys really like to exaggerate and talk shit, aye?

Now come on guys - Woodville people exaggerating and talking shit on this forum?? Never!!

Libertine,
What actually happened then? I havent had a chance to talk to Lamp yet. Who was the spectator at the game? Were they neutral or were they involved with the Norwood Program? Just interested cos we dont really want to lose Scotty to a stupid suspension if it is not warranted.

I was present at this infamous game and saw the whole thing. Following the melee senior umpire Alan Fisk advised the bench he was submitting reports on Dave and No. 13 from Norwood and 2 spectators being Div 1 Norwood players who had been standing behind the bench. Additional information was supplied by Terry who was standing adjacent to the area of the fight. While the behaviour of the participants of the melee was reprehensible, the addition of spectators was a dangerous escalation. As I understand it, this will be handled in-house as the carnival was not a BASA sanctioned event. As a long standing Woodville supporter I would just like to say that while spectator involvement must be discouraged at all costs, Lampshire's attitude and behaviour on and off court is greatly admired by the Woodville players and we hope that commonsense prevails.

wit the coin toss for the woodville sturt game as it was the start of the tournament the umpires were not aware that overtime was to b played so the game ended a draw.....one of the norwood senior officials did the coin toss and woodville won it. however if sturt kept winning they were able to challenge the decision however they lost every game after that so it wasnt an issue, woodville wud have made the semis regardless so it wasnt an issue in the end

this is all crap i suggest you guys get your facts straight before you start talking shit

haha, go Scotty - did he actualyl injur the woodville guy......

self ya dez

haz is dez

Lommax - directly from Scotty:

"No punches were thrown, I came on the court and grabbed Benny (I'm guessing Matthews?) and took him back to the bench. There was at no stage any altercations with any Woodville players, I was not ejected. I did have a conversation with a Woodville supporter on the way out of the stadium (ie after the game?) - the dad that reported me."

And the other info comes from Chris Donaldson's brother.

I'd suggest whoever posted the crap about throwing punches etc should watch what they say next time, because people have a) lost their basketball jobs, and b) been severely reprimanded before over their comments on the forum. Read the terms and conditions, because one day you'll get sued.

will somebody get the facts right!
Did scott throw n e punches?
Will he be suspended?

We hace Cat in the Hat (post #27246) bagging Woodville players/staff/suppoeters, yet we have another poster - Selfe (#27309) saying "haha, go Scotty - did he actualyl injur the woodville guy......"

I havent seen anyone associated with Woodville actually bagging anyone out..perhaps adding their 2 cents on what they think happened, but nothing untoward towards anyone else.

Yet we have Selfe actually wishing physical harm on the Woodville player.

Perhaps you would like to rethink your comments Cat?

this is terrible.unless you were there dont comment on the issue because you have no idea.

Yogee

Why would I want to rethink my comments? I could say the same about some of the crap you post.

I simply responded to a comment made by Libertine about the amount of shit flying around this thread about the incident.

A number of Woodville players are well-known for their activities on this forum, which is exactly what i was referring to, NOT this particular incident.

Do us a favour Yogee, get off your high horse, and don't try and turn my comments into something they are not.

Yet Cat....and this is my point..no one has ever wished physical harm on anyone else.

I dont see you getting stuck into selfe for doing so to the woodville player.

so...get off YOUR high horse!

if your comments had nothing to do with this thread, or anything that happened on this alleged incident, why one arth even post the comments here?

only purely to inflame.

Ok Yogee, I'll bite again, although you are still trying to turn this into something it's not.

I'm sure we both agree that selfe is a wanker for wishing physical harm on another person. However it was difficult for me to get stuck into him in my original post, given that I posted BEFORE him.

In regards to me posting 'purely to inflame', yes we all know you have a connection, albeit slight, with Woodville Basketball Club, but stop being so damn sensitive! My opinions are valid, as are yours, so give it a rest. Also, in future, I will remember the smiley ;) when posting anything about my friends and colleagues at Woodville. Maybe you could have kept your stress levels down had I done so.

Now let it rest, because we are actually debating this from the same side of the fence.
See you at the next home game, 24 April v Sturt :)

Well. the smiley would have prevented me from commenting...trust me this forum doesn't raise my stress levels.....too much stuff in real life to do that :)

Well, if ya know me...come and say hi at least

One person has stated the right thing about this subject. I was at the game and saw what happened. In my view libertine has a point about what happened but the fact of the matter is he as a spectator should not have been on court. If BASA dont take this report seriously than any parent/spectator can run on court at any point in a game. I'm not saying what the suspension should be but it has to make a statement to people watching the games.

Hmm I hate to say it but for once I agree with yogee!

All the comments about BASA taking this thing seriously and banning people for eternity and everything....

If it wasn't a BASA sanctioned event, why would BASA give 2 hoots about it?

Hmmm, it's basketball and it's in SA. Maybe something to do with that? Whether they can do something officially is one thing, but whether they give two hoots is a different matter entirely.

I think you will find that Selfe (& I am happy to be wrong) is an ex south & woodville junior currently playing for forestville.

If BASA don't do anything about it then Norwood & Woodville should deal with it at club level.

(#27371)

JUST what part do you not understand that at no circumstance in ANY sport should it be condoned for a spectator to walk on court to even attempt to help.


on court there are a referee and an umpire. and ten players if a fight breaks out between two players or a scuffle and someone runs from the other end of the court to grab another player it can explode out of all proportion.

if someone is having a push and shove and someone approaches them from behind without warning they can mistakenly think it is someone going to hit them or cause them grief. if that is a coach or manager or someone off the bench it can often inflame an already bad situation.

why do you think that fiba has in place a rule that disqualifies any player / manager etc who comes in off the bench and enters the playing arena.

i remember an aust v russia friendly at cph where catalini got into a fight and vlahov went to his aid. longley came in off the bench and summarily got disqualified.

scorebench personnel are in those circumstances able to be aware of who has entered the playing arena and notify the referee if asked.

in cricket alderman was injured tackling a spectator who ran onto the field.

why do you think that there are hefty fines in cricket / afl / rugby / tennis to stop spectators from coming on to the playing arena.

monica seles was stabbed by a spectator.

the point here is regardless of his intention; regardless whether you think the player was better off the court. this person, this spectator, regardless of whether he is a player of another team, whether he was a parent, or someone of the street. the seriousness of someone entering the playing arena is at issue.

forget the 'was there punches thrown' forget the 'parent/coach/manager reported him' forget all the other maybe could have possibles. Libertine has stated that this player in his own words entered the court - there in lies the whole crux of the matter.

IMO as it was a norwood carnival and the that it was not a basa event like juniors or state champs or abl it doesn't come under the basa auspices.

not all competitons overlap remember robert rose being reported by geoff weeks when he was playing for forestville years ago. he got 2 games suspension from forestville but his suspension did not carry over to the nbl.

it is possible that norwood will have to censure the young man themselves.

perhaps it should serve as a warning to all young players on here the responsiblity of their actions - whether they believe they are helping or not

but saying all of that what has been done has been done.

let us end the discussion let the powers to be handle it and move on.

gggrrrrr, well said chief.

gggrrrr - perfectly said.

Spectators/subs who come on the court in a fight would get a longer ban because they had no reason at all to be there.

I wasn't there, didn't see the situation - but Scott - I warned you about this very thing on Friday night at Pasadena after you were watching the Norwood 2 team play.

But always, it takes two to tango. So to whomever else was involved take a chill pill. Let it stop here - don't be childish and take it out on the court the next time you play.

Cheers Libertine,

I caught up with scotty last night. Thanks for the info.

No probs.

I never said what I thought what they did was right. It was stupid, very stupid, they should accept and be gracious in whatever punishment they get. No spectator should ever enter a playing arena - what's the fine for cricket, $5k?

But what I didn't like was alot of things being said by people, with no response. X punching X etc. Probably the same person posting with 4 different names. (Mod: Doesn't appear to be.)

nah i wasnt wishing harm on on one- just no one had said anything if the player was injured or not?????

If the woodville guy provoked Scott (i wasnt there) then he should be dealt with exactly the same as Scotty - if..IF they get dealt with....and the coin toss with woddville and Sturt (u18 1's) was exreemly bad - why wasnt overtime played?

heard two of woodvilles key big men will miss the re-match this friday.

When and where is the game on friday?

haha btw, haz is a dez..what does everyone think of harry grigg? :P

9.45 st.clair

Selfe,

"If the woodville guy provoked Scott (i wasnt there) then he should be dealt with exactly the same as Scotty"

Sorry but this is crap. Whoever 'provoked' Scott (if anyone) should not be blamed for Scott's actions. Most sportspeople have an ambition to phsyche out the opposition, so they can gain the upper hand. This (if he was provoked) is just another example of this.

how could anyone provoke scott.it was his choice to get involved.

fly,

Sorry but this is crap. Whoever 'provoked' Scott (if anyone) should not be blamed for Scott's actions. Most sportspeople have an ambition to phsyche out the opposition, so they can gain the upper hand. This (if he was provoked) is just another example of this

i thought Scott wasnt playin - just watching - if so..how was he an opponent?

i can understand that to phsyche your opponent is fiar enough - but i was going on the information that Scott was watching...not playing

Yeah ok my bad, player mixups. I don't know the Norwood blokes by their first names. It is a general comment though.

In that case though how could Scott have been provoked if he was a spectator?

hasn't this been rehashed to death yet

give it a break - you are all talking around and around in circles

This selfe bloke is only taking out his anger in his former team. wat a dez. Does any one know of harry grigg in forestville div 2 if so what are your thoughts.

who said that we had 2 key big men out?? i would re-think that

Harry is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet!

the way the bylaws are written state that if you leave the bench (spectator/player/coach)then you are ejected, depending on what you do your reported (yes pushing is reportable max penalty for pushing with 2 hands open palm is 6 months) as for being 'let off' because he is having a crack @ ABL? what then? he will push and start fights there too??? if this is happenning now i doubt they will want that in their ABL team.

triking with a closed fist is 1 year. max, but this can also be server as a suspended sentence.

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