Was at Pasadena for the U16 boys game - seemed like Sturt had its way over South. 14 boys & girls both 70+ points, 16 boys Sturt won by a lot, maybe 60. Didn't seem to be a 16 1 girls game. Didn't see 18s or 12s but heard the 12s were both lopsided Sturts way.

Sturt 18's by about 40-50

SportingPulse shows that Norwood 18 Girls and Boys both won by 100 points. WTF?

centrals playing without their best player so

Must be the new Jordan? (100 point turnaround)
Are Norwood that good, or are Centrals complying with all the previous "whinges" that as a district club they should have ateam in Div 1 in all grades?
Sometimes better to forsake than sacrifice

Brewer - best player or not, they lost by 100. They'd have to be without their best 10 players for that to make sense. That is a HUGE loss.

Anon - unlucky? To lose by 100? That is sarcasm, right? I'm sure you're not serious.

Most teams will never lose a game by 100 no matter what the circumstances. For it to happen in the same age group in boys and girls on the same night - I'd bet that's never happened before.

Hangin Round - I agree. A result like that is a good argument for pro/rel at Division 1 level. Why should a team clearly that outclassed have the right to play at the highest level? Doesn't make sense.

Centrals should be congratulated on having so many div 1 and 2 sides , Norwood also is an improving junior club, both should be congratulated.

Another Centrals bash, well done.

pallas35 - How is this a Centrals bash? These are facts - or are you saying SportingPulse is incorrect? Either they lost by 100 or they didn't.

how many of those centrals kids at SASI? or was that the one that didnt play?

Is Basketball SA really going to go one club per division with results like this.

Sounds like Norwood - Centrals night was just as pointless as Sturt - South night.

Yeah but if I live in the hills for footy I can still play for a local side eg goodwood saints - no zoning there

More imprtantly, in Footy, no matter where you kive you can go and play for Sacred Hearts. And then you will actually improve and pehaps make AFL.

District footy clubs do no recruiting or developing, which is why basketball cannot zone. Because tey have no feeder leagues.

Sturt Div 1 won by an averge margin of 65 point Friday.

Surely Soth shold be demoted into div 2 until they are more competitive.

Wonder why South kids have been leaving in droves?

They would have had players at Forestville, Southern, West, Woodville and Eastern as well.

Maybe look at their backyard and you will see why they are leaving.

It's good to have inter-club rivalry, but kicking a club when they're down doesn't really help

Can't think of any South players lining up for a Sturt team on Friday night? Feel free to correct me.

Jack - the fact they're down is their own doing. Someone has to call them on it - it sure as hell won't be BSA, who will continue to just hand unworthy clubs & teams div 1 spots.

Sure they have.

Maybe to play div 3.

i was at a game recently and asked a player to move........








they were in my seat.......

So you are suggesting that trying to improve and give players an opportunity to succeed and move inot higher levels of basketball is bad for basketball.

One might suggest that the incompetence of clubs like the one you obviously are involved in has decreased the standard so badly that they have created the great divide.

And I would also suggest that if you look at those clubs it has largely been in part due to parents getting on committees and looking after their own kids rather than their club.

Success is not the result, success is the sign of improvement along the journey. It's time some people out there stopped looking at the W & L's and focused on skill development. A team may win by 60 but if they haven't followed directions from the coach, played a team game, executed their skills to the best of their ability, be assured that the day they come up against a similar team, they will get caught out. Measure skill, fitness, and mental levels throughout the season and see if you've improved, that's all you can control.

If you were a new family to the sport, how would you know what other facilities are like at other clubs.

Are you saying that a player walking into a North training for the first time at Modbury High is going to go play for Norwood because Mars is a better facility than Hillcrest?

Cause that doesn't make sence. New parrents are unaware of who has what facilities.

And if Sturt are actually getting off their backsides and recruiting new kids into the sport, and South aren't. Then why aren't South doing the same? Does your club expect kids just to walk in the door?

And you can winge about poaching as much as you like but the simple truth is, there are more Sturt kids playing for South at Div 1 level than there are South kids playing for Sturt at Div 1 level. So really, South are the bigger recruiters!

anon,

So if a kid moves from South to Sturt it is recruiting, but if they move from Sturt to South it is not? Can't argue with ignorance. But keep believeing that and see where you end up. And don't look at all the kids moving to Forestville and Southern because that might disprove your argument.

How exactly are South even getting in contact with these miniball and other new kids to the sport?

How many teams play miniball at Pasadena anyway? Marion is full and those kids just keep walking out the door. Sturt have City South and Aussie hoops to get their kids from.

And if you think Sturt tells every U10/12 kid that 'come to Sturt to make SASI' Then you know nothing about getting kids involved in the sport. Parents aren't intereted in it, nor even know that it exists.

Forrestville eagle girls are taught by their coaches to use their talons !!!

My daughter always comes home with scratches arfter playing them...

anon,

How will Zoning increase participation or improve results of weaker clubs? Nobody has explained this.

Like all Government intervention in markets. Zoning will merely make less kids play because they are unhappy with their current service provider and are unable to source a more desirable provider who is going to match their requirements. Rather than move clubs, they will move sports.

Maybe clubs should imporve their service to members. And therefore wont require zoning.

anon - so for example

sturt / forestville have 6 teams and 5 are in sasi - so for example 48 players - 5 sasi

south / woodville - say have 2 teams in an age group and 2 kids make sasi - 16 players - 2 sasi

sounds like fair ratios

#224 - Sturt, Forestville and Norwood are not the clubs contributing to the problem. They are the only three doing anything about strengtening the competition. Happy people don't move clubs. Kids that are so-called "recruited" would not even consider a move unless the grass was greener on the other side. If the other clubs stopped whinging and worried about getting their own backyards in order, the problem is solved.

Results anyone?

ok so who one the div 1 matches - surt played forestville so what were the results there

Norwood won 12 boys, 16 boys and 18 boys. Southern won 14 boys.
Don't know about girls.

no they're not

excellent game between sturt u16 div2 boys - last second shot won the game

OK so who has the results?

18 boys was a great game, won by Sturt by 2.

Sturt and Norwood top 2 I reckon.

The Sturt girls aren't as strong as their brothers. If Norwood can repeat those results against the mighty Eagles, then "we have a ballgame"

Sturt girls arent as strong as their brothers because the club has been too lazy to develope its own brood, the foreign recruitment far outweighs the locals. The boys arent quite as bad yet although there are rumblings in certain divisions that are sure to call for drastic measures, all is not as it seems in fantasy land.

"the foreign recruitment" puleez exploin?

"the foreign recruitment"
I think what is trying to be said is this. BSA have openly stated they want associations spaced roughly 15 mins apart in Adelaide.

Ideally kids would then play at the association associated with the 15 min travel circle, or their nearest association if they were country, or had tried their original associated first and it didn't work.

So, I will go out on a limb here and say "the foreign recruitment" means actively overlooking the players in that 15 min area and seeking out better players from another associations 15 min area.

I mean, why would a JDO stab a local kid in the back and seek out a player living 30 mins away playing at another club? Does that happen?

Surely, if you looked at the postcodes of players and the postcode of the stadiums they would match up pretty well, wouldn't they.

So for example Jack,

If Centrals were to have pretty much entire teams from York Peninsula, that would be stabbing their local players in the back?

PS as per usual I dont expect a respone when you have a go at another club about something your club actively does more of itself.

LOL Titan,
but wouldn't Yorke be closest to Centrals? just as Murray Bridge is closest to Mavs?

What would be the difference in travelling 2 hours to play at Centrals at 2 1/2 hours to play at West?

Less than travelling 30 minutes to play for Forestville rather than Woodville.

Again, just plain hypercritical of you to accuse one club of something.

BSA have no plan of boundries to disrupt the market place. So families can choose to play wherre they recieve the best service.

Titan, you just hit the nail on the head. Families can choose to play where they receive the best service. Which is exactly as it should be. It's only the weaker clubs that cry out for zoning, because it's the only way they will hold onto the better players. Zoning just makes the weaker clubs lazy, because it reduces the incentive for them to have to work hard to get better. Happy players don't change clubs. The weaker clubs need to get their own backyard in order so that players don't WANT to move. Not rocket science really, is it?

anon,

How do you divide up the area evenly with Wayville, Pasadena and Marion all so close?

And clubs don't have any employees to go out and run clinics and help local schools. You said it yourself. So how do club work harder?

Basketball barley has local comps. SANFL has heaps of amatuer league clubs and schools that introduce kids to footy.

SANFL club get money from the $1B television right to have players out in local communitties. Basketball does not.

And yes SANFL clubs are lazy, they dont introduce players to football. They take the best kids produced by the local schools and amaetur league clubs. And some private High schools have produced more talented players than SANFL clubs.

Titan, you answered the question yourself.

"What would be the difference in travelling 2 hours to play at Centrals at 2 1/2 hours to play at West?" - err, about half an hour!

Look, people don't like change and the most against change are those who will suffer from their current position.

I know, due to your position in SA Basketball, you want to keep in the back blocks on this site and keep your cards to your chest, but please, unless you have a diagnosed mental illness involving multiple personality disorder, just pick a non de plume and stick with it. Most posters on this site, just pick a name and we stick with it. Trying to keep up with you by picking your various name changes is difficult, and it dilutes the message you are attempting to put across.

I know you will have a little sooky sook and have a personal attack at me. If I haven't responded to one of your hooks previously, it's not because I don't like paying you out, it's because I don't tend to read every single post. If you don't get a reply from me after you put up another whinge, it's not because winding you up like a clock doesn't make my day, it's because I'm off to the Sixers!

PS If you want a beer at half time, meet me in the southern bar.

Jack,

Im sure the person you are assuming I am is actually working oncourt today. Actually I know because I've been down there recently. Having a single name for a thread is just as easy as a single name for the site. I think you will find a number of us actually have similar thoughts on individual points you make.

Just a question. Why do you try and lie about being from Centrals?

And why is it you can't make an argument that actually works? I would suggest that you dont even agree with what you say, but rather just try to cut down tall poppies because you strugle with losing so much.

And to answer your question. When you are travelling 2 hours to play a sport at the elite level, why should you be forced to spend 5k per year in travel to get inferior service and miss out on opportunites that yo might otherwise gain? When you can travel and extra 30 minutes.

Well summised JT, but I think the player postcodes would mostly match the stadiums at all clubs except one. Anonymous you are most astute, the quest to become number one far outweighs the need to cater for the locals at fantasy land. The developement of the few at the expense of the many ensures the balance of harmony never truly exists. Hence my original post.

Why is it so lobsided ? What is the history of this ?

Might want to go check the Centrals post codes with all those Yorks and country kids I agree. They would have more kids from outisde 15 minutes than inside.

But at what expence to the local kids from Gawler and Elizabeth?

#739 - so when will this translate in terms of results? Their boys' program in particular is a basket case. Apart from their U12s, their div 1 teams are a disgrace. Makes a mockery of the guaranteed div 1 rule.

if you read Jack's comments, you'll find that Yorke IS the closest to Centrals. It makes perfect sense that kids from the northern country region would play for Centrals. I see that they have a number of the coaches who are state country coaches.

It seems the issue here is jealousy from a few people that some of these country kids aren't at their club.

Juno, you'll be happy to know Centrals play Sturt in Div 1 this Friday....ouch!
In the boys, Sturt are top in all four ages, Centrals bottom in all but U12. In the girls, Sturt are around 4th across the board and Centrals 6th. The blowouts in the boys look like 100 points across the board.