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No SA girls. Louise Brown did play for Sturt in U12's.

No SA Boys?

See a WA girl in the team, would be the first time for may years.

Aussies to good for the pacific countries. they send a u 17 team.

its the start of the preperation nfor the next worlds

WA girl in U17 world squad.
Played in qualifier in Brisbane 2009.
Stats really good. Probs should have been in U17 World team for France.

Where are Talbot, Donnelly and Mijovic? Right age but not mentioned???

quite an interesting girls team. Most girls from Victoria. Hopefully a few of the other girls from the 16s Nationals - from other States, will get a chance to impress in the new year for the 17s team. I note Panousis missed out as well, great gaurd from NSW. Louise Brown (Vic)also had a great Nationals.

2010 AUSTRALIAN MEN UNDER 19 TEAM

· MATTHEW BRAZENDALE, Tasmania, 20/06/1994

· JOSHUA DERKSEN, Queensland, 15/02/1995

· MIRKO DJERIC, NSW, 14/04/1995

· DANTE EXUM, Victoria, 13/07/1995

· RICCARDO HOWARD, Tasmania, 15/03/1994

· DARCY MALONE, ACT, 02/01/1995

· LAURENCE MIFSUD, NSW, 03/10/1994

· EMMETT NAAR, NSW, 03/07/1994

· NATHAN SMITH, Western Australia, 13/04/1994

· CADE TOWERS, Queensland, 18/05/1995

· Head Coach: MARK WATKINS

· Ass Coach: JUSTIN SCHUELLER

· Manager: DARREN THOMAS

· Physiotherapist: DAVID HILLARD




2010 AUSTRALIAN WOMEN UNDER 19 TEAM

· LOUISE BROWN, South Australia, 23/07/1995

· STEPHANIE COLLINS, Victoria, 19/09/1995

· DARCEE GARBIN, Western Australia, 24/06/1994

· TIANA MANGAKAHIA, Queensland, 21/04/1995

· MOLLY MATHEWS, Victoria, 10/02/1995

· GRACE PARKER, Victoria, 06/11/1995

· TENAYA PHILIPS, Victoria, 20/06/1994

· KATHRYN RENDELL, ACT, 15/01/1994

· CASEY SAMUELS, NSW, 02/08/1994

· CARLY TURNER, Victoria, 05/04/1995

· Head Coach: SIMON PRITCHARD

· Assistant Coach: PAUL SIMPSON

· Manager: JUDI ROBERTS

· Physiotherapist: DAVID HILLARD

Panousis was not available for the dates of the tournament in New Caledonia therefore not selected

Help! BA seem to have a plan - its just a shame its not communicated to the players. A memo indicating performances at Nationals will NOT be considered as part of the selection process would be a good start. Qld Sth - 2 silvers - 2 National team members (Tippett, Mangakahia).

It seems like Talbot, Donnelly and Mijovic haven't been considered for this tour because they:
a) have been on overseas tours this year(17's World's for Talbot and Mijovic/Youth Olympics for Donnelly); and b) because in all likelihood they will figure in selections for the 2011 Gems.

Valid reasons for sure and good for the game - spreading the opportunities and base.

I suspect however, the players weren't told - just left out! Hopefully they are resilient enough to understand their position in the pecking order.

This group is a pre-cursor to the 2013 Gems.

ANKLES;Well stated if available cannot understand Sekona not being picked,based on her performances at last two Nationals.Agree giving others opportunities is a good decision,good luck to all those picked

Those born in 1995 are also the start of the 2012 U17Worlds.BA has to consider this group as well and give them some International experience.

Ankles great post, gives some perspective as to why some kids are not being invited to show their stuff at the ADC camps. I am trying to figure out whats needed for selection. My daughter has had two great nationals as bottom age and top age, but our NITP network say its money available to send kids to the camps. I guess coming from the North doesnt help. Like you say its being resilent enough to handle the knock backs.

Ankles.
Qld South had 2 Members at the camp.

Had Purcell (the MVP of the tournament imo) been an Ausie I am sure she would have made 3. She was the standout for Qld.

Thats a fair spread for a bottom age team in that environment really.

Given Donnelly was unavailable that would have made 4 of 20. I reckon that's about right.

NSW M having 2 but finishing so low maybe could be questioned, but nsw guard averaged 20 + per game

Yeah - probably talking more about teams than camps.

Still NSWC 3rd in 16's - no players at camp?

Qld Sth 18's - 2nd by a point - 1 player in team; SAC 7th - 3 players in team.

Let me be clear - I am less concerned about the actual selections than I am about the perception that performances at Nationals are irrelevant in the selection process.

Everybody knows the AIS coaches and National coaches/selectors are highly visible at these tournaments (the AIS hold information evenings) - even moreso to the kids with aspirations. Yet their own performances and those of their teams seem to count for little.

Unless you are Victorian, you could almost argue you are better off being the 'star' of an ordinary team than a role player on a successful team - after all, who needs role players, we all want a team of 10 stars right?

Thought NSW Country was unlucky not to get anyone through. The twins (can't tell them a part) had a solid week but after watching them I'd think that they didn't really have one solid player that was consistent each game. Different players stepped up when required and inconsistency probably was the reason why no one was selected. Still I think they were unlucky especially considering NSW Metro performed poorly and still got 2 through. Panousis did deserved to be there don't know much about the other NSW Metro girl so I wont comment.

Since when has height been picked over talent. Go to your local netball club and have a look at the amount of tall girls playing netball and then ask why they dont play basketball. Be prepared for a why would i even bother wasting my kids time playing that game answer. 5spot = waste of time spot! Your daughter will never touch the ball, stick to netball.

Anon - height is a talent! And a fairly precious one in international basketball at least until they lower the rings for girls!

But so is speed, athleticism, intelligence, conscience-free shooting and a range of other attributes.

I'm all for picking kids with Boomers/Opals-standard talent. Junior basketball is full of kids with what I call 'terminal talent' - they can dominate at this level but don't have the right mix of skills and talent to make it to all of the levels above and there will be a logical outcry when those kids who are performing now aren't selected because the kids with Boomers/Opals talent are.

I agree with right on - we do a poor job of nurturing talls - the terminal talents get all the love because they get all the wins and score all the points (because they get their hands on the ball first!).

I was in a town once where the two tall girls in the age group (one is now 6'3, the other 6') were forced to choose (by netball) between netball and basketball at age 11!! Fortunately they chose basketball - but I was in a building yesterday where the Australian U21 Netball Champs were being played and those girls are genuinely long, pretty much across the board. Netball requires a much more limited skill set for a big player and so is more easily mastered.

We tend to expect our bigs to be very good very early and if they are not, assign them to the 'gumby' basket and say things like - 'don't ever dribble' - imagine if somebody had said that to Erin Phillips before she was completely grown or under control.

Ankles you have hit the nail right on the head, excellent post.

#221 - height is still a talent, regardless of gender!

Not all people, tall or short, have athletic ability, no matter how hard you nurture and train them. Equals - Not all height is a talent.

Pick the athletic talent and aggressive nature, then work with it.

I have seen many players, because of potential?? picked over others who have better skills. Having said that:-

I agree whole heartedly with:
- choose the potential talent and work with it. Some of these players may not be ready in the here and now, but will develop.
- basketball is a tall persons game. Starting height for shortest players in the team are point guards.
Internationally, in the womens game, they are 5ft 9in. The short point guard is dying out. Taller guards are now just as quick and athletic. In the mens game they are 6ft 2in and above.

Of late though we have seen 'potential'/wrong? players used in major tournaments:
U 17 and
U 19 world teams?
May I even say our recent FIBA World Championships!

Development in Australia needs to be overhauled and re accessed. Be realistic as to where the future of the game is headed.

The AIS is, and should be our nurturing ground for these players. They need to pick these players with caution! In this development 'playground' I also see the need for more specialist coaches. I specialist 'bigs' coach is not a good guards coach and visa versa. Divide the coaching, specialise and reap the benefits.

#279 - absolutely. No secret there but nor does it diminish the quality of my argument that height is a talent.

If you re-read my posts you'll see I also acknowledged there are other talents (shock!horror!).

However, if we are to be realistic, it is what you might call a pre-requisite talent for this game. 5'9 might make you a dominant player in the National U14 Tournament (which should be abandoned IMO - but that's another story) but if if you're going to top out at 5'10 then you better have some pretty good complementary talents.

You might say that the more of one talent you have, the less of the others you require! An outstanding shooter - less athletic ability required (Andrew Gaze). A tough as nails, super-quick defender - less shooting ability required (Tully B). 7'1 and 140kg - no mid-range game or free throw shooting required (Shaq).

While there are obviously exceptions, if you are not 5'11/6' - then you are going to struggle to play the 2 spot for girls at the highest level (6'4/6'5 for guys).

Its not rocket science - find kids with the necessary pre-requisite talents - and I would limit that to attitude/competitiveness (without which you wont go far) and body (reasonably tall/athletic) and then develop all the other complementary skills (sorry there should be a thrid pre-requisite talent - the ability to learn new skills).

You are bound to still get some duds but I think we can get better at identifying those pre-requisite talents (particularly the attitudinal ones!).

"Height is probably the reason why in Australia, basketball will never be a major sport given we are not an outlandishly tall race."

No way, Its the AFL that stops Basketball being a major sport.


"Makes state sport's institutes redundant doesn't it"

No it doesn't, that would assume you start with the finished product. You need all those other players to form the competition which generates the need for height and ability.

There are a lot of tall kids about that play domestic basketball but never development into successful representative players, either they give the sport away or they aren't greatly coordinated and never reach their perceived potential. We have to question our junior representative associations and their ability to help nuture these tall athletes. Not all tall athletes are naturally athletic or skilled and sometimes struggle with basic corordination and fundamentals and because they don't grasp some concepts as quick as their team mates then they give the sport away, too often I've heard other parents say "What a big waste of space that kid is." We are too consumed with instant success as opposed to working with the potential that we have. Is specific work done with developing bigs at the junior association? (and the guards as well?) Perhaps Basketball Australia could get involved and help junior associations develop specific programs for young tall athletes that help develop hand/eye coordination, fundamentals, technique etc. Does that seem too outrageous? The womens game in particular is getting faster and bigger athletes are now more fundamentally skilled. We need to look after these taller athletes and not thrown them out in the too hard basket...

Thats just my 2 cents worth.

#306 - OK - I'll bite.

To clarify - the thread is about the Aus Dev Camp. These camps are designed to identify and nurture players with the potential to play international basketball for Australia. That is not the focus for the SIS/SAS network although naturally there will be some overlap. My arbitrary height criteria are based on Senior International play - so yes, if you're a 5'7 girl who shoots the lights out there's a good chance you're not going to be seeing a World Champs anytime soon. Sorry.

That doesn't mean that you have no future in the game, that any money spent on your development is wasted, or that you are a bad person! It simply means it is unlikely you have a senior international future. It probably means that the SIS/SAS network is the perfect place for you - the National program isn't the only game in town but it is the topic of this thread.

It may be that one day you'll be 5'11. It may be that you are Millie Bogues (Mugsy's daughter) and will prove everybody wrong, but chances aren't great.

The problem is not that we don't have a lot of 5'11 shooting guards in the girls though we certainly have quite a few. The problem is that we don't have many shooting guards (defined as players who hit perimeter shots regularly under pressure) fullstop.

You may notice that I too have mentioned the need to have players who are excellent competitors and learners, so we are not too far apart on that one. You though, don't seem to want to accept that height can be an advantage in basketball. I also wouldn't encourage open-heart surgery as a TID function. I think there are less invasive options.

I think you'll find that elsewhere I've stated my opinion that we were not beaten at the Women's by our lack of our height (or our surplus of height for that matter) but by our lack of athleticsim on the perimeter. We simply couldn't contain penetration and as we did at the 17's gave up too many uncontested 3's. Penetration - help - pitch to the shooter - poor rotation - score! Stop the penetration, stop the score.

The 19's took only two players over 6'1 to NZ so if they have height and little else lord help them. By the way, the two talls absent from that team due to injury were regarded as two of the studs of the 17's teams (from aroudn the world).

You seem to have missed out on a team to a taller player at some point and so have an axe to grind with tall players. That's a shame.

Was it you that threw in the 'picking height over talent' to get this whole diversion started?

To re-visit my original point (I think!). The women's game is changing enormously (the men's game has already undergone those changes). Players are becoming taller and more athletic. Diana Taurasi/Penny Taylor are somewhat of an international benchmark for the 2 spot - an athletic 6'1/6'2 with shooting range. Sue Bird is the point guard prototype - athletic 5'10 with handles and poise.

My point is that in grooming our future generations of international players we will not keep pace if we simply produce more of what worked last year. The old 6'2 inside outside threat with a good jump shot is now a 6'5 Lauren Jackson. Hollie Grima, who once would have been the dominant big internationally (at 6'3) is now a perimeter shooter who is unable to guard a Penny Taylor if she slides into the 3 and is undersized and underathletic to guard a Jackson or Fowles inside.

Our National team selections need to reflect the future demands of the game, not who were great at U16's.

371; Is that your opinion as a parent or your childs.I have a child who has represented her State at a number of sports .I tried to talk her into persuing another sport other than basketball, as I considered she had a better chance of MAKING IT at another sport.She stuck with basketball because SHE LOVES it far more than any other sport.She wants to play basketball MORE than make it at another sport.She probably wont make it as you say-but with encouragement from family and friends she will enjoy the ride.

Where Lauren Sherff is this U/17 squad?

Selection camp is today till monday

NO sa Girls

Wait till after 18 Nationals

Big exodus from tute
Payne
Tippett
Minear
Be interesting to know why?????

My understanding is that the scholarship is reveiwable at any point in time so if you are not performing it can be terminated pretty quickly.

Not suggesting that is what has happened with Tippett and Payne - from what I hear it was simply a matter of being time to move on - the AIS isn't for everyone, all the time and I think both girls decided that it was time to move on to the next phase.

Timing wasn't perfect and I think that'll make the job even tougher for those remaining as far as the WNBL goes but that's not the priority of the program anymore from what I hear.

They are trying to produce elite Opals/WNBL players (as opposed to grooming a team for the next Junior World Championships which seemed to be the focus of the previous administration) so they are taking a much more flexible approach to their recruitment and duration of stay.

The tall players selected in the mens squad were there to compete with the size of the teams they were playing against. If they had selected a team full of athletic or extremely skilled shorter people the offence may have improved but the defence would have been destroyed.

Also at the start you were talking about how they did not have enough of the winning teams representing australia with there players. You just need to look at how the two act kids did. Rendell lead the girls to victory, and Malone was arguably the best big guy on the boys team.

Is there a development camp at the AIS for U19s in January, 2011?