By laws are to be followed - cope it sweet,
must have know this was the case everybody else does.

stops teams from stacking teams that can be in finals, unfortunately it will catch the unwary.

But if you are the Program Manager, you can have the people who sit on the competition committee give you permission to have an ineligible player in your team for the finals.

Especially, when every other situation where the exact same kind of exemption has been requested, it has been denied.

I think the initial post didnt quite make it clear where the unfairness lies.

Not only is the player in that scenario not elligible for Div 3 finals, because of not playing the required 40% in that division, they are not elligible for Div 4 finals, even though they have played the required 40% in that division because of playing games in the last 3 rounds in Div 3.

This has left a player (possibly players) who have played the required games in a division but are inelligible to play ANY finals in ANY division. This isnt "stacking", this isnt a club who have 3 teams across multiple divisons with only 1 team qualifiying for finals so trying to pull together the best group from all 3 teams to get the best for the 1 team. This is a club with a player who is part of a team, has been for a majority of the season who is not allowed to play ANY finals.

My guess is the club was not consulted and the Coach did it off his own back without even considering the consequences till too late!

I thought you were not allowed to play in 2 divisions on the same night ?

Can someone clarify this as one team did so last week

Anon 498 the By-Laws i am reading state that a player is ineligible to play in the major round of Multiple Junior divisions or Age Grades; or Multiple Senior Divisions in Division 2 and below.

542, you are correct

A player is ineligible to play in the major round of;
i) Multiple Junior Divisions or Age Grades,
ii) Multiple Senior Divisions in Division 2 and below

I am referring to:

However, a Player, who has qualified under these By-Laws to play in;
iii) One Junior Division major round game and/or
iv) One Senior Division 2 or below major round game and/or
v) One Senior Division 1 major round game
shall be eligible to play in each of these competitions major round games.

So i am confused by what junior divisions and what senior divisions play on the same night as annon 486 stated?

I know under 21 play the same night as division 2 so if that's the case is u21 is still classed as juniors because in the By-Laws it states you couldn't play both in the same week/on the same night or something to that effect. Does this rule get chucked for finals?

No wonder there is confusion, i would be surprised if BSA themselves knew how to interpret their own By-Laws. I am glad i am no longer playing because it just looks like a mess to me.

Under 20/21 is junior. Div 2 is senior. So if one qualifies for both by playing 40% then one can play finals in both on the same night, even though this is expressly not allowed during the regular season.

I agree that the by laws need to be looked at and every situation needs to be considered. In this case in particular I think the player has been extremely hard done by. He has qualified for division 4 by playing the amount stipulated, then let him play! Fair enough if it was the other way around and he qualified for division 3 by playing more than 40% of games, went down to div 4 for a few games then he should be only eligible for div 3. Or if he qualified for by then he should only be eligible for the higher of the 2 divisions. But to not allow him to play either is ridiculous!
I also disagreed on the whole SBL and division 2 situation where even if someone had qualified for finals for division 2, if they started the last game of the SBL season they couldn't play the remaining 5 games of the regular season and had to wait until finals started to play again.
BSA make stupid decisions without consulting clubs. And even when they do consult all of the clubs they make decisions based on their own agenda like this under 23 competition! When teams voted it definitley was not a majority vote in favour for the competition, yet they still went ahead with it. Next season will be even more of a farce than last season. I would like to know how many forfiets there were over the last season and compare that to the previous year. I can guarantee there were more last year!!!

Charon 91 - are you referring to a couple of new Forestville kids? I know my kid is playing vs Forestville this week in U14s & was wondering if he qualified? I thought they fell a game or two short.

But there wouldn't be any conflict of interest in his coach being the Competition Manager, would there? Anyone know of any other (non injured) players ever getting an exemption like this?

"But there wouldn't be any conflict of interest in his coach being the Competition Manager, would there? Anyone know of any other (non injured) players ever getting an exemption like this?"

You may be wrong as to how many they have played and unless you can get the team sheets you will never know. BUT in saying that it does appear on the surface that the person in question would be held up to a lot of criticism in the multitude of roles in Basketball in South Australia that he holds. Perhaps this "conflict of interest" should be seriously looked at and the roles that he holds so the process's of BSA are seen to be completely transparent to the registered members of BSA.

s_mawds,

You got it in 1. An u14 boys for the Forestville team doesn't qualify, but has been given an exemption by the very committee the coach sit on.

You will hear all and sundry cry that he doesn't vote and he did get it through himself.

From what I understand he is the only person to have received an exemption with regards to this kind of situation, when other have all failed.

Is it also true this kids older brother is playing U16 2s even though he competed at a national championship this year? And I suppose he would have had to get a games played exemption as well?

Interesting. Wonder if it'd fly if they were from any other club?

Why more disenchanted? Didn't someone just say "he doesn't vote" either?

s_mawds,

True as well regardsing the U16 player. And he want into the team that played div 3 over summer even though they were the better Forestville team that are now still in finals. Not just a little suss.

I am sure someone will get on here and still try and tells us plebs that it is all kosher.

Considering all the forfiets and other players denied the chance to play in the finals, I wonder if BSA will actually do anything about it.

They should perhaps document and present all petitions and show how many were accepted. Then we might have some true open and transperent accountability.

#675 - How would there be any advantage in stacking Div 2s?

The main safeguard is that playing your Div 1 players in Div 3 is likely to put noses out of joint and encourage players to quit or leave the club. More likely that players might be dropped to Div 3 for specific games, particularly in the final phase to ensure a top 2 finish.

Not really,

The decisions on who to include are subjective to the compeittion committee. Just need to be in the right clubs.

Considering that the teams being compared don't ever play each other, how much you win by isn't taken into consideration.