Just curious, was that at Marion because I got the same call not long ago from this old dude and thought 'WTF is he on about', may be a rule though.

Nope - was at Pasadena - but definitely the oldest ump out there, and he has been around the place and different stadiums for a while.

Im not the best person to ask about rules as im not 100% sure myself but if it is a rule it does make sense imho. otherwise teams would utilise the out of bound regions alot more id guess.

I have one too.

Player A gets fouled in the act of shooting that results in two shots. Before he shoots the foul shots Player A receives a unsportsman like foul that causes him to have 5 fouls.

Question: Does he get to shoot the free throws and then must sub out due to 5 fouls or should he be subbed out before free throws?

I argued the point but happy to renig on that and apologise if I'm wrong. However I thought that because the foul occurred before the shots that he would shoot them and then be immediately ordered off the court by the refs.

I have had that called during my playing time on me twice and as far i am aware it is an actually rule because you are using the illegal area outisde the court to your advatnage

You must stay with in the boundry of the court if u want to be an impact in the game.

For an umpire to have called it tho it must have given the offensive player a major advantage tho

The first rule exists to stop players standing outside the key on the baseline and jumping into the key without getting a 3 second call

tech foul if you are deliberately playing out of court

"Player A gets fouled in the act of shooting that results in two shots. Before he shoots the foul shots Player A receives a unsportsman like foul that causes him to have 5 fouls.

Question: Does he get to shoot the free throws and then must sub out due to 5 fouls or should he be subbed out before free throws?"

Once a player is fouled out, they are out of the game, regardless of whether they have shots or not. The substitute must take the shots.

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Player A gets fouled in the act of shooting that results in two shots. Before he shoots the foul shots Player A receives a unsportsman like foul that causes him to have 5 fouls.

Question: Does he get to shoot the free throws and then must sub out due to 5 fouls or should he be subbed out before free throws?

no he does not get 2 free throws - the queation is - should it not be a tech foul as the play is dead from the first call? even if it is a push etc?

player fouled out leaves the court and the team can pick their shooter. then the other team has 2 shots and possession.

if it had been 2 unsportsmanlikes the shots and possessions rule each other out and it would be a side ball for the defensive team (last call)

"the queation is - should it not be a tech foul as the play is dead from the first call? even if it is a push etc?"

Technical Fouls are only called when the infringement doesn't involve physical contact.

Unsportsmanlike Fouls can be called in dead ball situations.

It used to be a rule but im pretty sure it has been taken out of the rule book

You have to stay within the boundaries of the court if you take a step out of court to receive an advantage i.e cut along the baseline and out the court is a violation you receive a warning and then a tech foul if you do it again.

"Player A gets fouled in the act of shooting that results in two shots. Before he shoots the foul shots Player A receives a unsportsman like foul that causes him to have 5 fouls.
Question: Does he get to shoot the free throws and then must sub out due to 5 fouls or should he be subbed out before free throws?"

Answer: Both foul shots are cancelled and then its teams B ball from the half way line because of the unsportsmanlike

young smart arse - the penalties only rule each other out if they are identical - so the penatly for one is only 2 shots and the other 2 shots and possession - not identical.

thought this sounded familiar !!

http://www.hoops.com.au/forum/21501-violation-clarification/

If you search the current rules for:
Violations - special situations
Leaving the court to gain anadvantage etc etc

The rule is no longer in the rule book.

And to anonymous #856 Please show me A) where is says it is illegal to set a screen outside of the court in the rule book and B) who the hell would do it?

The bench area which is clearly defined

Regarding the 5th foul unsportsmanlike: penalties are awarded in the order in which they occurred. When the fouled out player was awarded the penalty of 2 free throws he only had 4 fouls. So, he can take his 2 shots then piss off to the bench for being naughty.

You have to stay within the boundaries of the court if you take a step out of court to receive an advantage i.e cut along the baseline and out the court is a violation you receive a warning and then a tech foul if you do it again.

"Player A gets fouled in the act of shooting that results in two shots. Before he shoots the foul shots Player A receives a unsportsman like foul that causes him to have 5 fouls.
Question: Does he get to shoot the free throws and then must sub out due to 5 fouls or should he be subbed out before free throws?"

Answer: Both foul shots are cancelled and then its teams B ball from the half way line because of the unsportsmanlike

Answer is incorrect as previously stated only like penalties can be cancelled.

The order in which they occur applies thus Player A fouls out before he gets to take the two initial free throws thus the subsitute will take his free throws.

Correct sebastian on both

In social though a tech isn't going to mean anything to the players, a quick violation call is probably the better game management option although not technically correct.