if you jump stop you can pivot or step off either foot.

if it was tonight - welcome to thursday night u16 reffing - kids must stay on from miniball to ref district.

I appreciate we are short of refs - but training twice a week and driving half way over town to be reffed by someone that doesnt know the rules / mechanics....

we had the lead ref making calls from the front court (when the ball was in the back court) tonight with his back to the ball looking over his shoulder - and right under the trail refs nose.

dont get me started.....

Really need a bit more explanation of the move made here to determine if it is a travel.

My understanding is NBA/AIS players are taught to pick the ball up while they are in the air about to land into the jump stop. This is how they get what appears to the eye to be that extra other step.

Social players who have some hand contact with the ball, then jump to make the jump stop dont get that extra step, whether it is for a step through or whatever the move is.

i use this move all the time and i often get away with travelling (dragging my pivot foot). i believe most refs recognise it as a legit move even if they dont understand the mechanics behind it

if you jump stop off the dribble - you take take a step through (1 step) when the second foot hit the ground on the second step through and you have not released the ball it is travel.

if you jump stop off your shooting step and attempt a step through of any description it is travel.

so -

legal - dribble, jump stop, step through, shoot
illegal - dribble, shooting steps, jump stop, step through

bunny hop is travel

the player can drop step as long as he does not lift his pivot foot before dribbling - if he drop steps with his pivot or "catching foot" it is travel (if he caught off a stride step - not a jump stop).

bunny hop is different - it comes off a dribble not a drop step.

so i have presumed he has not drop stepped with his pivot foot making that first move legal.

this may help

http://linky.com.au/5d4e5

now this presumes they have caught it on a jump stop or have had both feet on the ground to start with.

now these guys just lay it up of a drop step.

if you can imagine a jump stop with a step through from that.....

may help....

http://linky.com.au/m7vci

now after we have clarified all that -

http://linky.com.au/6nuww

to totally do our heads in...

Are you following this Frosty or should they type slower!

forget the first step as your player has dribbled without lifting the pivot foot - so they have not taken 3 steps - which is where your understanding is confusing you - it is what happens after the dribble.

lebrons utube gets messy because they are talking about the dribble finishing when the ball leaves the ground for the last time - but it is when it gets back into the players hand.

forget about everything until after the jump stop.

the drop step is legal.
the dribble is legal.
the jump stop is legal.


now the first step through will determine the pivot foot - as long as the pivot foot stays planted the player can pivot step as much as they like.

once they take a "step through" and lift their pivot foot the shot must be out of the hand by the time the pivot foot hits the ground (which would be the second step through step)

ugh is there a video for this because I'm having trouble imagining it.

From what I've tried to gather: Not a travel - the pivot foot hasn't been established. I am assuming the guys doing a layup though on the last step.

humpa yes

anon - i imagine the pivot foot would do at least one step whilst dribbling - it's a little bit of a power move.
If you have drop stepped and dribbled, physically the next thing is a step with your pivot (or trail) leg, usually one bounce as you drop step off the block is enough to get a square up jump stop under the boards, then the one step through and hey ho a basket !