Alliance!!

this is why woodville were silly they must of thought they held all the card with the magic talks but magic had a trick up thier sleeve lol

woodville = handed your hat, the door is that way

Camel woodville had the dialouge they had exactly what is being proposed in the above post. they had the flyers ready to go out to start up a domestic comp. ready to go out that weekend and it was brought undone . look to your club first for why it did not happen, look at the individuals that wanted to save woodville and those who couldn't do it cause it would have taken too many of their hours to work it out

Why when I read this thread am I reminded of the advice I was given that well managed clubs act swiftly and do not air their dirty laundry!!

You're all assuming that West and Western can make a Domestic Comp work when Sturt/Forestville, Sturt and Southern couldn't.

I agree interesting times ahead with this proposed West/Western comp (and also the BSA funded Norwood comp) but until they're up and running successfully, I wouldn't be closing up shop yet if I was Woodville.

I have heard it several times now. Why is BSA funding the Norwood comp? Are other clubs able to get the equivalent funding??

Why did Basketball SA let Magic into the District Comp in the first place? If when they commenced, they being Western Magic, wanted to be a cheaper alternative to the District Club, and "A lot more relaxed than a district club" in other words "SOCIAL" - what has changed NOW? If they want NOW to play District go to a District Club, and just join that Club be it Woodville or West. What is the problem? Magic should be a Social Club because that was it Ideals, well it was when it commenced.

What I dont understand is why everyone thinks the association model that BSA are pushing is something the SA public should consider.
SA is unique in that our 10 district clubs are no bigger than one domestic club within an association in victoria.Most association within victoria have a least 20 clubs of equal size to one club here.
I understand that growth is needed but seriously how can you expect to grow an association when BSA control all after school miniball comps which is the bread and butter of most associations in victoria.
One club is not big enough or financial enough to be handed over a successful mini ball comp because it takes a few fulltime employees to maintain said comp. Having said that to answer further up is one reason that BSA would be helping to fund the employee at Norwood because it is keen for a domestic competition to grow in the eastern suburbs but recongnise that it wont happen unless they assist. Sturt with there employee was unable to make it work on a Saturday afternoon, so am keen to see if BSA get something up and running in its place or just hand the court space back to Church ball.

West already have a clear pathway for promising juniors, western dont, so this is to westerns benefit only.
West get to pick up a few talented kids .....so what. whos to say they wouldnt have anyway.
However it will restrict westerns kids to one district club or will it......current club president took her kids to forestville. will she be taking them to west if this all goes ahead. I dont think so and if the person running the club does one thing how can you expect members to do as they told

haha west adelaide bearcats hope you have fun being called west adelaide magic :)

terrible we dont want a crap club merging with west, what a joke! st clair is the worst stadium in sa and wouldn't want to be associated with it

I dont think its that we dont want them to merge, back the bullshit that surrounds it.Seriously the club started as a lower div club and now their charter has changed to want pathways....hence they should never have been allowed to enter into the district competition in the first place. Who knows what they will want in another 5 years.

If west ever change thier name or strip there will be an uproar at the club ........ too much history to let a wantabe club come in and change the name ....And i see alot of people voting with thier feet....

471; that is your opinion that we are not a super club!!

lol name one way in which southern can claim to be a super club.

southern is not half as strong as NCT of the early/mid 90s.

Magic players do have the opportunity to play Division 1 and 2 right now.

They just have to leave their 'social' club and play for a 'district' club.

seriously 510 - I thought you were a basketball guru. Let me enlighten you.

1. We have a new fashionable uniform
2. We have a 4 court stadium allowing for growth unlike the smaller clubs like Sturt or Forestville who operate out of a school with 3 courts or a dog stadium.
3. We have some of the most enlightened officialling in the state
4. We never fail to live up to anyone's expectations at state champs!
5. Did I mention the new uniforms!!

I thought the old NCT uniform was THE best uniform in SA.

IS#513 talking about the cats or the magicians?

I think means the Cats and I am guessing by emlightened Officialling means their refs have seen the light and are taking reffing to a whole new level!!

Are there any other large social clubs in the burbs the size of Magic?If so have they tried to get into district competition?Will the Bearcats+ Magic div 1/2 team still be WEST ADELAIDE BEARCATS or will it be a combined name,of course it will have WEST ADELAIDE in the name but what about the rest of it?

They will compromise on names I am sure. Something like Western Magic being the final name : - Western being their to acknowledge West Adelaide and Magic to acknowledge Magic.

Uniforms will be basically the same as the Bearcats uniform except for a minor colour change - the black being replaced with Teal and the red with white. Apart from that you wouldn't even pick that it wasn't West Adelaide

how did you know that helium - are you the source of the leak from their working party

WEST ADELAIDE MAGIC sounds good to me.

Why would all of the West players be "kicked out"" of div 1 and 2? I would imagine there will be trials held and only some Magic players would make the grade. Have some faith in the quality of players at Bearcats. Suggest members of both clubs attend their respective information days to learn the true story.

West Adelaide need to have a vote of its members before they even think of changing thier name, If any commity members think they are the one to make the choice i would not want to be in thier shoes, I pretty sure they would be ran out of town .....

Western Magic players already have pathways to higher divs,just try out for any of the member clubs and they are in-thats if they are good enough!

I still don't understand how this works?

So if my son plays Division 3 for Western Magic then 4 games into a season they decide he's good enough for Division 2 can he play for West Adelaide? Doesn't he need a clearance? And going by BSA rules he isn't allowed to change halfway through the season anyway.

Does this mean I need to buy a Western unfiform then a West Adelaide one?

What happens if he then gets dropped again, do we not have the same issues?

What happens if he takes the spot of a West Adelaide player? Does that player have to then play for Western Magic in Division 3 or does he play for West Adelaide, leaving my son's Magic team short a player?

This is going to cause more problems then it solves. And how would the other clubs feel having two clubs feeding into West's Division 1 & 2 teams? How is that fair?

The way I read it is it will be bearcats div1/ 2 and magic and a new name west Div 3/4/5

Surely BSA will be able to send grant money to help after all it is thier idea!!

I think it's great hopefully torrens valley follows suit an gets those u18 & 20's the spots they deserve

BSA won't help and why should they?

The other clubs will never let that happen.

Clubs change uniforms all the time, NCT and Adelaide Southern merged and BSA don't fund uniforms.

Won't happen.

The solution is easy! The current players in Western and West that make Div 1 and 2 in the merged club are given the option to sell/trade in their current uniforms back to the club to reduce the cost of their new uniforms.

The club holds these uniforms for lease. Any players dropped can lease the uniforms from the club they are dropped to and the club purchases their Div 1 / 2 club uniforms back and can lease them to the incoming playing.

I think you will find most parents will just buy the uniforms but the leasing/buy back arrangement would alleviate the costs for some families.

Small minded people scared of change

WestBearcub you are wrong.

BSA have been pushing for mergers in the Western suburbs for 3 years now.

First they tried to get all 3 to merge, West Adelaide refused and walk out.

Woodville and Western got close but emotion and a loss of the Woodville indentity ended that.

This is the third attempt and this will not happen.

Assocations will not work in Adelaide. We are not Melbourne. No matter how hard BSA and Sturt try to push this it will never ever work.

This West Adelaide/Western Magic merge/association/agreement will never get the support of the true West Adelaide members.

And thank god for that.

So will the div 3,4,5 be able to freely move between clubs and teams. If not then wont this mean more rule changes out of BSA.
Just what this competition needs more rules which will leave to more flaws then we currently have because the powers dont follow through on all steps of a bylaw.

No matter how hard BSA and Sturt try to push this it will never ever work.

I just KNEW this was Sturts fault!

is there any BSA money, I mean all ten district clubs money, helping to support this or as an inducementy to set this up like maybe something which maybe happening at Norwood?!?!

The new div1/2 strips will be essentially identical to the currant west adelaide bearcats only differing by having a wand in one hand with the existing basketball in the other!

its funny how people have no idea and keep typing shit it will all come out at the information day on the 25th there is one for west members at the port and one at st clair for magic members same day so wait 5 more days and it will all be reveled so keep all your questions till then!

Western magic should just disappear,west will take them over completely sooner or later or was that woodville or both?

I understand Magic fees are lower than Bearcat fees. Why then pay more to stay at bearcats at Div 3 or lower. You might as well save the money as you will not be precluded from playing Div 1 or 2 if you are good enough.

To stop this happening does this mean a change in fee structure which if bearcats reduce theirs to Magic levels then there is less money coming into the club or if Magic increase theirs to bearcats level then they are no longer a cheaper imitation club. Or there is a middle ground somewhere where both of the happenings above occur but to a lesser extent!!

I understand Magic fees are lower than Bearcat fees. Why then pay more to stay at bearcats at Div 3 or lower. You might as well save the money as you will not be precluded from playing Div 1 or 2 if you are good enough.

To stop this happening does this mean a change in fee structure which if bearcats reduce theirs to Magic levels then there is less money coming into the club or if Magic increase theirs to bearcats level then they are no longer a cheaper imitation club. Or there is a middle ground somewhere where both of the happenings above occur but to a lesser extent!!

The fee structure at Magic is low because the trainings are only 1 hour long,you get what you pay for and that is 4 hours less than at the cats monthly.

Western Magic trainings are two one hour cessions a week,and you are wright we love our ice cream.

Western Magic trainings are two one hour cessions a week,and you are wright we love our ice cream.

Well my team trains 2 1.5hr trainings a week and if you can last a training with them I'll buy you and ice cream stop ASSuming things if you don't wanna be apart of this great thing happening you have choices but these 2 clubs are pioneers in south Australia and it deserves support from the members not negative sledging find something else to hang you woes on

I agree ,there is a great thing happening just about to reveal itself to the broader public.My kid gets a rather intense workout for his 1 hour training,if you dont believe come and watch magic in action.

Tomorrow all will be reviled at the members info day.But how much will be answered the question is now?

Have the two made an association after the members info days or did everything go the same as with woodville?

Probably a toilet deal since all is quiet on the western front.

Sounds lie woodville people hoping it doesnt so they have a fighting chance of staying alive!!

before im jumped on i was meant to type "like"

Warriors and Magic =logic,Bearcats and Magic=WTF!,Come on guys you share the same stadium for god sakes just do yourselves a favor.Together you will have 56 teams to feed the top divs with.

Magic and Bearcats are a done deal. The Association of these two clubs will dominate over Woodville.

Wow - dominating over Woodville. Now that is an achievement to aspire to!!!!

WEST ADELAIDE BEARCATS will rock in the 2010/11 season. FORRESTVILLE beware!

What color is the new association div1/2 teams?

The strips are mainly black-have a look at wests new ABL tops in photos.

Ive seen them,they look heaps cool.Still different to the ABL because writing is white.

WTF where is everybody getting this misleading info from,there is no association between the 2 clubs so how can we comment on uniforms?Both clubs have independent try outs to each other and there is no agreement for coaches to be at each others trys.Western ia as before all alone in its own playing in the bottom of the barrell divisions trying t o scrape something up whilst being down there.Nobody wants to be seen having a coffe with them,bye bye western suburbs supercats-HAHAHAHAHA!

Western Magic players have been invited to Wests try-outs,where do you get your info from?And of course Magic has independent try-outs because this is for their div 3+4+5s .So far the clubs have formed a partnership ,and i am shore when the negotiations have been all done the two will have a ripper association probably by the winter season.OK Magics players may try out for other clubs,but will their own coaches be at them-i think not.

Woodville Warriors should have done the same as West did,sort of agree to form an association then get Magics players to try out-only to shaft them after by taking all the good players and after they are settled at the port tell Magics leadership thanks for the players now be on your way little club.