Sa country having a stinker both boys and girls

The under 16 crop across the country in both boys and girls is well below par and we have been spoiled by the depth of talent that has preceded them so rather than look for reasons just accept there are strong cycles and less strong cycles

Last years girls Vic M team was much tougher and more skilful.

all u16s should be busting their guts as we now have u17 worlds - a good show at u16 nats would go a long way for a camp invite

SA Country boys over NT & SA Metro girls over ACT

Sa metro men just lost convincingly in semi and will play tomorrow for bronze. Daly, creeper and johns all doing a great job, but overall a very strong well rounded team. Good luck!
SA metro women looking sharp all tournament, but just a few step behind the other leaders.
Country teams haven't done as well as they could have perhaps, but have never given up and kept supporting each other. Country girls have a couple of wins under their belt, and the boys who struggled at the beginning and hit a low just beating NT (without starting p.g who had gastro), have bounced back with a convincing win against qld. Playing for 9th and a chance to prove themselves against vic before coming home. They have worked hard with one of their starters out before tournament, and another badly injured during the first practice.
All teams have represented SA well, they are young and still developing and growing up. We should have only support for them, not non-constructive criticism like "stinkers"

Those sharp metro girls had a total of 3 assists in their losing crossover game

Word is qld boys will be forfeiting there game tomorrow due to illness...

Great work from all SA teams, players & coaches. Hopefully the Metro boys can grab the bronze, and the other three teams finish with a win.

Country Girls 9th after beating Queensland north, Country boys 9th after a good win over Vic country
Metro girls 8th, losing by two to NZ, with the coach getting "T"ed up in the closing stages & the NZ girl making both free throws & scoring with the side ball on a four point swing! Metro boys about to play Qld nth for 3-4.

Considering how badly the country girls went early 9th is a good result. The metro girls didn't win a game in the crossovers which means they probably wouldn't beat the country mob if they played them. Odd that in an 7-8 final the coach would get that excited to get a tech.

The coach is the son nof NG, say no more.

Last medal for this age group was gold in 1995

and the next gold will be in 2095 unless they open up the head coach role to tenure

By head coach role who do you mean as liam is moving to townsville and this will open up the 16 role for new applicants

Triton, don't think its sniping to suggest change if the incumbent has been there around 20 years. After that length of time and in any organization only good would come from such changes and while I don't have anything against the present head coach, fresh blood is long overdue at both SASI and state level and real, not incestuous, change.

How about actually appointing a coach to
a girls state who who has coached girls before. But I guess when your the bosses son things like that don't matter. And when you can take your best mate with you as an assistant life as son of god is pretty good. Hope daddy enjoyed watching SA metro lose to NZ for the first time ever

NIX, I'm suggesting a National wide search for the best candidate possible to run our elite program at SASI and oversee the state processes. Widening the net to get an individual who understands all the elements associated with success not just the technical.
114, I think the coach was appointed on merit and had been part of successful state teams as an assistant thus earning his role. Where the problems rise is the perception of nepotism and that's as bad as nepotism. The days of an elite head coach being able to involve his extended family in his occupation are over for all sports save basketball.

And the family dog!

nkl, they lost a player before the tournament started but the best player was in the team they took.

2155 Haaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaa Great Joke.

Who will make all Australian?

If this is true, he should never coach a state team again!

It's true...Ask the wall near the change rooms about his incident....and the guy that had to fix it the next morning...funny shit...

great joke why anon? There are two players with better potential in the 16 girl's team than the player that missed out surely.

to phobos 28, nothing wrong with 4 girls in from mount gambier, maybe if the kid that you are obviously upset about not making it was a bit better they might have got in, the only kid that should have made it that didnt was tori wilson,

Both women's groups performed to the best of their abilities and higher results were just not within their scope. Many people have differing points of view on coaches and one or two district clubs have long held the view that they have the best coaches where others believe the cattle make the coaches.
The country coach previously has had, supposedly the best group of girls for donkeys years and underachieved or the players did. I go for the players underachieving as they have done this consistently for many years. What part the coaches played in their yearly average performances is the 64 thousand dollar question.Determining if the players were over rated is also ongoing especially given some of those players have gone on to higher levels and have yet to set the world on fire.
The metro coach had reasonably good teams previously and they had medalled for the past 3 or four years in this age group. A few coaches were involved in these results so judging coaches becomes harder.
Metro this year had a less strong group of girls and they finished 7th or 8th but once again it's hard to put these results at the door of the coach if the team is average.
If you don't have the player strength coaches can only minimise the losses and very little else.Put both state coaches into coaching a weak district U 16 side and see if they win with the players available to them.

#748 good post. I am sure this doesnt excuse the metro coach for his behaviour during the playoff game, & his display of bad sportsmanship post game! If punching a hole in a wall & using the worst language possible within earshot of parent players etc, then we have a long way to go. With such a great mentor coach-Chris Lucas associated with this group, it is an extremly poor showing on & off court!

If the rumours of smashed walls by a coach were true BSA would ensure appropriate action was taken and that coach would not be considered for future teams. I have heard nothing more about it so I suspect it never happened and is just a beat up.

It happened alright! Daddy has done his best to keep it hush-hush. This will prove if BSA has the backbone to do the right thing and suspend this coach from State, SASI events or tainings.

#866 If you haven't heard anything you haven’t asked the right people.

What is wrong with a coach showing some violence to get a point across? If putting your fist through a wall, and I have been told a very flimsy wall at best, is the price of success then so be it. If that is what it takes for the kids to listen what’s wrong with that. No one got hurt.

And while I am at it..... What is wrong with a few tears after games? I haven’t seen any person injured from over crying. If the kids are played crap you need to tell them. Bravo coaches.

And what is wrong with telling kids that they will only be a Friday night player or the SA team was the worst performing team EVER? Parent of a "leftover" you know what I am talking about... BIG PICTURE.

I congratulate these coaches for having the courage to tell the kids how it was. This group of underperforming, underachieving and undersized misfits will be better basketballers thanks to the 3 dedicated coaches.

How much does a state team coach get paid???. You should fine him a % (say 50%) of his pay for what happened.

875, I hope your post was an attempt at sarcasm

Well reading the posts on the U16 Nationals has been most interesting. I AGREE with quite a few posts.

1. If you don't have the player strength coaches can only minimise the losses and very little else.
2. A Metro coach that does this is a disgrace & should have the book thrown at him. Junior players leaving the changerooms in tears, property damage, plus pleasent language to boot!
This behavior is unacceptable at any level.
3.It seems that parents are the ones that get too involved in the politics when actually it is down to the kids not only to get into these teams but also to actually play the game.
4. . as for the coaches, if you can do better than them put your hand up and do it and see how tough it is. They are there giving there best and although not everyone agrees with what they do at least they are having a go. Also lets not forget these coaches basically give up 4 months of their lives to do this for no money, no thanks and most times at great expense to themselves and their families.

And just to finish off unless you were there and no the facts, dont write stuff that is hear say.

sturt coach should stop taking sturt players as they continue to lose every year

agree with the you (37) its a joke!! what's happened to basketball in SA????

Neil will probably send them to a development camp which will keep them quiet

It will be interesting to see what Mark Hubbard does with this incident & coach. If he turns a blind eye, then this just speaks volumes about the control, care or want to grow the sport from BSA. It doesnt matter what club you come from or who you are related to, this whole matter was a disgrace.
I pity Chris Lucas as he seemed to be an innocent in all of this, with the head coach & his assistant coach "best mate" running around like a bunch of kindergarden kids.
Pick the best coaches for our kids, not just another Sturt coach who is part of the SASI-Sturt boys club.

They probably DID pick the best coach - out of those that applied. Wasn't the word doing the rounds last year that no-one applied for the assistant positions at all? And only one for the head coach role?

I can't even begin to wonder why...

I also heard that no one else applied for it. They picked the ONLY candidate!

I was there and the coach walked the car park for a fair while...didn't count the times, he was swearing his ass off and carrying on like a tool..

A few parents were amused to say the least, myself included...I also seen the wall that was punched in, also seen the guy that come the next morning to fix it..

so let's get away from did it happen or not...it happened..

Dont blame Ben or Nathan, they were just doing the best they could. They followed the BSA coach code of conduct all week, not!
Chris should have been coach, a true gentleman, who treated the whole team & the parents with respect.

Feagles, This is a bit more than an eagles - sturt thing and needs addressing in a transparent fashion seeing the display was so public and has received such widespread attention.

Dress it up anyway you want,
Was bad language used-yes
Did the Head Coach punch a wall-yes
Did he represent SA badly-yes
Should he be let off with a slap on the wrist-NO!!!!

Case closed

Who in the current BSA system would be a good canditate for the HC position in 2011
Lynn Holland???

Any other thoughts?

Has to be someone who is joined at the hip with SAC to continue the bias and an excellent communicator who realise that heart is as important as footwork just like the incumbent

SAC coaches are hardly going to get gig's in SAM...

Heart V footwork is interesting tho...

SAM players play with plenty of that...show's from the coach too...thats not a bad thing...

Walls are paper thin but egos and bitternes arent.

touche

reeooowwww!

absolutely not on with the shaving of the chest hair!!! wrong wrong wrong in so many ways.... and there were parents present hmmm