Mouthing off constantly, being asked to stop, mouthing off again and still having a go after the tech. Simple- stop mouthing off.

I had an argument with Phil and I lost. My bad, sorry if I offended anybody. Not my proudest moment.

I agree with you. Wasn't trying to manipulate, just pleading a case, too vigorously and too often as it turned out. Live and learn.

SB
Having witnessed the incident agree with what you have said. Just wondering why Liam was sticking his nose in the situation? Watched the Saturday game as well and was wondering if Liam thinks he is still the coach - seems to have a lot to say. I always thought that you could only have one coach giving instructions?

Anon, if you want a conversation email or call me.

Sometimes the refs should listen to what the coach has to say and take it on board, rather than giving atittude and hiding behind their whistle!

Good onya for the apology....prob felt more for the young kids they reckon nearly wore your bottle/board??

Yes it wasn't a good example of model behaviour. Was bad, let's move on.

WOW SB was thrown out??? I had my money on PM being the first coach to be thrown out. But we'll just have to wait and see when they r loosing for that to happen - just like in jnrs. team starts loosing and PM gets thrown just so its not his fault the team looses.

* sigh *

"tear"

Will the real SB please stand up?

If it was SB, much kudos for having guts to get on here and fess up/apologise...

If it wasn't... nice fake!

I believe that was him

If the quality of the officiating was anyhting like what was dished up to during the NBL this year I can't blame the guy.

Doesn't mean he is good, just that everybody else is worse.

So Charon 51.
You are saying that Phil, who has been selected to be Referee at a world championship is no good.

You are saying that he, and all officials below his level in Australia are no good.

So in your opinion are there any good officials in Australia or are they all bad?

I would suggest, SB should thank himself lucky that Phil is prepared to still work games in the ABA

Or perhaps you think you could be a better option?

I think you have hit the nail on the head.

If ref's think they are above the standard of competition, they might not do as good a job as they otherwise would. Which IMHO shows why at all levels they struggle.

Because they "think" they are great, when in fact are not.

Well said Charon.

All countries have to supply a Ref as part of the panel for the World Champs. Because a ref has the academic qualifications & the experience having officiated a certain number of games doesn't mean they are any good - the prove is in the pudding with the poor standard of the NBL & how long some of these guys have been around. How can the calls be so inconsistant - week in / out & just wrong in so many cases.

It would frustrate the hell out of me if I was a coach.

From the Points of Emphasis that are distributed to Clubs & referees at the start of every season:

Game management specifically relates to areas of respecting the role of players, coaches and officials and allowing each to perform their role to its optimum.

1. It is extremely important that the referees and their coaching staff are respected at all times in applying what is considered fair and consistent for
everyone involved in the game.

2. Allowance must be made for errors of judgment by all parties, and respect must be given to the judgment of officials in applying these principles without bias.

Generally coaches and players are to portray respect and constraint towards decisions of officials at all times.

Therefore officials are directed to call a Technical Foul in the following cases:

· Publicly overt and/or demonstrative actions towards official

· Where an official considers he/she cannot perform their duty due to unreasonable and avoidable interference.

· Audible obscenity by a player or coach.

Now I wasn't at the game, but I if SB's Behaviour fell into any of these categories, then Phil was just doing his job as directed by the league in the points of emphasis.

A referee finally following the Points of Emphasis!!! Most ref's only follow them for the first round or two then fall back into their normal habbit's.

I agree with the above 2 posts.

The point I am making is the overall quality of officiating is well below average & just becuase you are an NBL ref or off to the World Champs does not mean your a good at what you do.

It is frusting for everyone involved - players; fans; coaches; stakeholders etc.....

Jake, would you consider Brad Hill, Jacob Holmes or Darren Ng to be quality players?

Of course, there are many times when the form they show for the 36ers would fustrate fan's however I am sure the Mavericks & Sabres would prefer to have them in the team.

As a Referee myself, I aspire to be as good as soneome like Phil one day and having associated with these higher ranked guys I can tell you they certainly do not think they are bigger than the game.

If you knew how hard they work at performing both on & off the court then I don't think you (and Charon 51) would be so critical.

Even though very much part time, these guys take there role within the sport very seriously and are fully aware that the fan's pay to see the players.

I would agree with you that the standard of umpiring in the Nbl has been up & down but it does not mean they are not good at there job's. There are many factors which contribute to the way in which the game is called in the NBL.

Anyhow of course you can have your opinion, I just think that your opinion is based on a lack of knoledge of these people and how they see themselves within the sport.

OK 841, give us a clue. Which club??

Who cares !!!!

Fisher89 I want to make it clear I am not critiscising any individuals & have not made any reference to the game in question as I was not present. Refer to my above posts.

The bigger issue is & I'd say the majority of the posts above agree that 1. Standard of officaiting is generally below average 2. the standard has gone backwards in recent years.

I acknowledge that there are lots of variables that contribute to the end outcome / performance, however most of these guys have been around for a while now & should have served out their apprenticeship so to speak & be getting better / more consistant with their calls but it is just not happening. The bad calls / games should be getting less & less but unfortunately this is not the case.

The comparison you make comparing the players form with the Ref's IMO does not make any sense.

As the parent of a referee I have found this topic interesting. I will say also I was at the game on Sunday and believe the ejection was warrented.

I have watched for several years and seen the abuse by coaches, players and parents and frankly Im amazed there are any refs left. The personal jibes directed at young people who are there to do a job and basically allow the game go ahead are disgusting and to hear first hand what your child is called by ignorant parents especially is quite hard to take.

There are serial pests in the coaching ranks who think they know it all and continually ride refs, with and without experience, and get away with it. There is not enough referee coaching done- only because of numbers- and the refs due to inexperience may be reluctant to get harsh with coaches when they need to be put back in their place.

I do believe it would be useful for coaches to do some ref training just as I think its important for refs to maybe do some coaching training. Its a great game and we need to promote the good not just advertise the bad. I love the game and we all need to work together to bring it back up to its past glories.

Come on people, let this go.I've never been the biggest fan of the referees, especially during my playing days but you should always show courtesy and a level of respect to these guys as without them we don't have a game (imagine if we just played "defense calls their own fouls!). SB has acknowledged he got caught up in the game as do many a player and even umpires, but in a time of reflection has realised he stepped over the line, so let's not criticise the umpire for what he did and just move on.
If you are not happy with the level of umpiring i'm sure they would be happy for you to come on board as an umpire as they are always struggling for numbers.
NEXT!

I can't comment on the specifics of this game but are people not able to differentiate between having words with a ref (even if it is an emotional chat), and abuse? If a coach complains about a call, and is demonstrative in his attempt to get his point across, that does not necessarily mean he is making a personal jibe or abusing the guy.

The refs need to be taught how to deal with complaints properly. Completely ignoring a coach is not going to win respect - even saying "I didn't see it" is enough to get him off your back, providing you don't say it five times in a quarter.

TC2- its not up to the Ref to learn how to deal with complaints- its up to coaches to learn how to ASK for an explaination without spitting the dummy.(And for the spectators to maybe learn the rules?) There are ways of getting your point accross and getting an answer, even if its not the one you are looking for, and gaining a respectful interaction between you and the ref.

See 6ers fan, that is exactly what I was talking about. You automatically threw in that the coach must have spit the dummy. Why couldn't he have just asked a question? Why can't you see there is a middle ground between speaking politely, and abuse?

The game gets emotional, coaches get frustrated. To say that any sort of demonstrative communication is a "dummy spit" is just wrong. You mention respect between the two - that goes both ways. Refs can't just dismiss a coach because he doesn't feel like talking or explaining something.

Yes I am trying to be more zen but sadly watching "Coach" on Survivor on Tuesday nights is turning me away from eastern philosophy.

I love how the post count next to the title of this thread paints a picture of how many techs were called in the game. We're up to 40 now. SB, you need to keep lid on things.

Recent summer grand finals - Ref whilst he is reffing the game before my sons game tells my son to take of his underarmour sweat shirt as it is not allowed. He did this all whilst he was supposedly concentrating on the game at hand. It was not during a time-out or in between quarters the game was in play when he did this. They use to play in the same age group but ref gave the game away. Is there anything wrong with this? Or would one think that authority has gone to his head a little? PS it set the scene for animosity between player and ref before the game even got started.

panthr totally agree Sb ADMITTED ERROR - END OF DAY WEHO CARES - ALL YE WITHOUT SIn GO GET A WGHISTLE BUT I WITH sb ans panther Next bored - typing SkILLS on mend caRe FACtor 0