required are hill, herbert, ballinger, ng, burston(if available). gone are ninnis in for mark leader(the name says it all). no import from usa, anywhere else is good.

Is that hill father or son?

Balls, burston, herbert are the only players from this roster that should be retained!!!

Any chance Darren could spend the off season eating pasta and bulking up a bit?

Ninnis to assistant coach if he'll have it. See what Goorjan, Stacker, Black or other coaches are up to. It'd make a MASSIVE difference even with the current line-up.

Love ya Scotty, but we need results.


Starting 5

PG - Import / Gillchrist*
SG - Ng
SF - Holmes / Import
PF - Ballinger
C - Burston**
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Reserves

G - Herbert
SG - Burdon (U23?)
SF - Hill
PF - Import / Holmes **
C/F Molitor
C/F Garlepp

**Depends what Schenscher's contract looks like. Option b) is Schenscher in the middle, Burston at PF and Ballinger at SF with no second import.

Imagine Beveridge or Lemanis coaching our existing line-up.

*sigh*

Oh the second *was I'm not adverse to Gilly staying, but consistancy and attitude need some work. He's got skills and the stats, but needs a little work (on court leadership included).

To be honest, I see Ng as evolving into the floor leader / decision maker. Throw him in and see.

Like the option of going with one import

C Schenscher/ Burston
PF Balls/Garlepp
SF Holmes/Rush
G Herbert/NG
G Import/burdon

^^^ You've dumped our Captain and best player?

I thought scott was supposed to be the defensive king learing from Goorj. Results seem to differ

Oh wait - scratch that. There he is. Lack of sleep will do that to ya. Continue.

Like I said, dunno what Luke's contract looks like.

In a perfect world, we'd have CJ Bruton here.

Would Oscar come home and would be good for the team. The games i have seen Oscar and Jacob appear to at each other. Is there a bad history between the two or is it my imagination

They're just competetive - Jacob bumps everyone. Love to have the Big O back. He's pretty happy in NZ from all accounts though.

tyler smith ex tennessee

Doubt that Schensch and Burston on the same team! Make a trade Burston for Schensch!

I'd prefer Burston. I love Schenscher, but to be completely honest, NBL refs are 10 years behind and Luke suffers as a result.

Plus, Burston is a bump bodies / take no crap kinda guy - which we lack. For all of Gilly's carrying on - Balls, Holmes and Herbert are the only players that show guts and pride on this team. The rest get bullied like that awkward kid in 4th grade you felt bad for but still paid out since all the other cool kids were doing it and - hey - you're only human, right? - you just wanted to fit in.

Burston over Luke

Loco agree need some grunt - Worthington type player would be nice.

I think Adelaide could go for an all-Aussie line-up (well with Ballinger and Dusty), the points add up and I think the only issue is money and contracts, but overall I think this team could go deep into the playoffs.

Head Coach: Ian Stacker
Assistant Coaches: Scott Ninnis and Kevin Brooks

Starting Line-up
Luke Schenscher (10), Adam Ballinger (10), Jacob Holmes (8), Nathan Herbert (5), Damian Martin (5)
Bench
Neil Motteram (6), Dusty Rychart (8), Brad Hill (5), Darren Ng (6), Nathan Crosswell (7)

Honestly, even if he is cheap and South Australian, Brad Hill shouldn't be retained next season. Not only is he unable to provide consistent output, his turnovers and missed layup attempts end up costing the team rather than benefiting it.

We have our 5 and 4 positions, what we really lack is a decent 3 man. Holmes can play the role but I'd be looking more for someone who can get to the ring, Holmes is more of a defensive presence. Obviously Newley would've filled this role but he's not available.

A backup 5 other than Cooper would be nice, I like Coop's shot blocking but I'd prefer a better finisher around the ring, someone you can get the ball to in the post.

Retain Balls, Burston (unless Luke is available, but I doubt it), Ng, Herbert, Holmes. Find a better backup big man or 2, better PG (Gilchrist is skilled but I don't like him running our offense), and a scoring backup SG that could possibly play the 3 aswell (this is probably what they want from Hill, unfortunately I don't see him with the ability to do it).

Journo there is no Under 23 in your team.

I know Nix 84, I think the clubs will get the NBL to change that rule, but if not I'm sure Stacker will have his finger on the pulse for a good kid from the AIS.
I personally think the three development spots for each team should be for kids under 23.

Croswell will not come to Adelaide.
Please no Dusty!!!
Prefer Burston to Motts
Damian Martin sounds good
What about steve markovic!!! he played with west sydney a few years back. I think he is playing low grade europe would be about 28-30 now

I wish we would go after Wortho, he kills us every time. As for coach Ive always liked Alan Black, would love to get a healthy stephen to come with him.

PG S Black
SG Gilchrist (move to SG)
SF Wortho
PF Balls
C Burston

Holmes
Herbert
NG
U/23????
Cooper

If we could re-rate two players down one point Burston could replace Dusty.

No way will Wortho ever come to Adelaide.

What is S Black doing

Keep BALLS, HERBERT, NG, BURSTON and possibly GILLY (depending on who is coach)

There is a case to keep HOLMES also.....

But BRAD HILL MUST GO!!!!!! he is useless!

Tez is out 4 sure.

Definitely dump Ninnis, Groves, Hill and Cooper. Gilchrist is 50/50 - see what else is available and trade up if possible

Oh - and not a big fan of Molitor either. I know he's filling the U23 spot, but he's never going to make it in the NBL

I've always liked Hill for his potential upside, but I don't think we can afford to keep playing him while we wait for that to eventuate, as he is just hurting us too much while on court.

KEEP:

Balls, Burston, Herbert, Ng, Holmes

GO:

Hill, Groves, Ninnis, Molitor

MAYBE:

Gilchrist

We can definitely upgrade on Hill, Groves & Molitor. Gilchrist maybe depending on who's available, who is coach and his attitude.

Ninnis really hasn't shown me enough to warrant persisting with him. Too many mistakes, too slow to react.


With those changes, I think we can keep the core of our squad and produce a really competitive team.

Get rid of Hill. He is inconsistant for his age and hasnt improved at all over the season.
Groves needs to go, another import that played for us and didnt seem to care, pity.

NG Im almost surprised to say has stepped up a bit this season, but needs to do more to last longer than next year, and agree with others needs to beef up put some muscle on.

Other than those 2, and a severe change of coach (NOT Goorjan if we want to keep our respect) I wouldnt change much of the lineup, maybe look at replacing Cooper with a stronger centre.

Our teams not all bad, they just arent utilised. I think Gilchrist under a good coach and structure could really perform and I'd love to see him given a go.
As for Schench for Burston I dont think we've seen the best of Burston either, give him some plays around him and Balls it all comes down to offensive structure which we dont have.

Im not a huge fan of making more than around 4 changes per season otherwise you lose all continuity and are basically starting again.

I would replace Cooper, Molitor, Groves and maybe Hill depending on who is available for the same points/$$ to replace him

I would try and get Schenscher back (even if it means going with just 1 import) and maybe Oscar Forman as we need a consistant 3 point shot.

Depending on cash/points/availability id be aiming for

C Burston/Schenscher
PF Ballinger/Holmes
SF Import/Forman (possibly Hill if cant get forman)
SG Herbert/Ng
PG Gilchrist (or new import)/??? maybe someone like Matt Sutton would be worth a run if no one proven is available or this could go to the U23 player as there wont be heaps of mins behind Gilly(import) and Ng could play a few mins here.

So im retaining 6 or 7 of the current squad (depending on hill) and if we get the right import SF id expect that to be a bit better than this years team.

Get rid of Cooper the useless butter face.
Sooner he goes the better.

For the small forward spot as far as imports go, I would love to see Luke Whitehead or Justin Bowen in the side next season.

Luke gives us a solid rebounder and hard nosed defence to compliment the "must keeps" (Balls,Holmes,Herbie,Burston and Ng), while Bowen would give us scoring, rebounding, athletisicm and a little bit of showtime which us 36er fans have been missing since Willie Farley or dare I say it; Jul***.

As for point guards, I would push for Damian Martin or Darnell Hinson or for SG former Razorback Troy Devries knows how to connect from outside (similar game to Kevin Lisch).

I'd like to see something like this, don't know how realistic it is:

C Schenscher/ Cooper
PF Balls/Khazzouh
SF Import/Holmes
G Herbert/NG
G Import/Bruce.

Get rid of: our shitty stagnant offence.

Anon, are sure that was Luke Whitehead or was it Gilbert Arenas.

No, but seriously I didn't hear about that.

Where is Brian Wethers?

yea i also wouldnt mind justin bowen or a player of his mould in our team, i saw him play for the blaze and thought he was quite decent, and is quite versatile,

I'd keep the core of Burston, Ballinger, Holmes, Herbert and Ng together.
I'd probably keep the team structure much the same as this year, only update some players and the team structure. And I wouldn't pay 4 points for the 11th man again this year.

I'd go back to Burdon for the U23 spot (he may not be eligible anymore though?)

I'd like to see a point guard import who's more of a distributor, but with weapons, rather than a Gilchrist type who's more shot orientated. Darnell Hinson would be a good fit.
The second import probably needs to be a scoring guard who can also run the point. (Basically the Groves of 4 years ago :p). Justin Bowen would be a good fit there.
I don't like that he's 9 points, but Liam Rush would fit into our structure pretty well.
Our last spot leaves us with 7 points. Absolute ideal situation would be to steal Petrie from Gold Coast. Has been a very good player this season and probably won't hold his 7 points, but would be a great fit.

PG: Hinson/Bowen
SG: Bowen/Ng/Burdon
SF: Rush/Herbert/Holmes
PF: Ballinger/Petrie/Holmes
C: Burston/Petrie

There's almost not enough minutes to go around for that team.
You'd want at least 30 mins for Ballinger
At least 25 mins for Bowen and Hinson
At least 20 mins for Petrie, Rush, Burston and Holmes
15 mins for Ng and Herbert
That leaves at most 10 mins for Burdon
Would be a sweet team though.

AFAIK, Burdon will be turning 25 in a few months.

Hardly qualifies for any development or U23 spot for the 2010-11 season...

How many imports do you want?
Groves, Gilchrist and 2 more?

Hendo8888 a good post and something like a team like to see that is getting a u-23 g back up for Burdon .
Anonymous keep Groves because good PG you have to be kidding .
He does that boring awful dribble around worse than Gilchrist that is if he keeps possesion and doesnt lose the ball.
His shooting is appalling and has no D .
Surely you have not been at games or watching Fox.
Burston is a much better long term prospect than Schenser in most aspects of game if can keep him fit.
Yes must get as well is a new experienced coach but not Goorgan . Spend the extra money you save on him so dont buy another budget Groves

Let me try.
C. Burston/Schenscher
PF Ballinger/Burston some Holmes
SF Herbert/Holmes
SG Gilchrist/Ng/ some Herbert.
PG ? / Groves if he naturalises.
(and some u23).

Please be critical of it.
I kinda just typed it in to see.
I'd guess we'd have to change coach with that, as it's similar to this season and he couldn't fit Schenscher in.

Since you asked for a critique Camel...

I don't think we can expect to play Schensch and Burston on the same team. Apart from tying up too much money in one position, I doubt either would be satisfied with the minutes they'd get.

Its a tough call as to who would be better long-term for the Sixers. Burston is a more mobile centre, but also seems a bit more fragile, while Schensch has the size to be dominant in the NBL (esp if the refs actually stop allowing smaller players to mug him).

Balls is a must keep and Holmes can be rotated with both him and whoever is at centre. We badly need one more solid big guy with experience to cover injuries/ foul trouble though. I'm sick of having Cooper, who tries hard but just gets pushed around too much.

Herbert has really been the find of the season for the Sixers. He's a very solid role player for the team. Ideally would come off the bench ala Rupert Sapwell if we had a more talented team.

Hard to decide on Gilchrist. I think he has the skills and physical tools, but it just doesn't look like he's fit in with the team that well. Can't be sure without knowing about what goes on behind the scenes though. Guess we'll know what the organisation thinks in a couple of months. If Gilchrist moves on, I believe we either need another import PG, or to somehow pick up an Aussie at the Gibson/ Martin sort of level.

That leaves an import for either SG or SF. Would prefer a SF I think, because Ng has proven more reliable this year than Hill. I've been very disappointed that Hill hasn't really taken a step forward this season, but I'd still keep him around and give him another year to try and realise his potential. Since that hasn't happened yet, we need a Rob Rose type, a do it all star. Failing that, at least a guy who can hit the three consistently and defend well.

If we don't grab a quality Aussie PG, then I'd like to see us land at least one other talented Aussie to improve the quality of our roster.

Some funny teams here. Might as well chip in:

C: M.Burston/(Young Aussie C or Cooper)(12)
PF: A.Ballinger/J.Holmes
SF: Import SF-SG/N.Herbert/B.Hill
SG: J.Gilchrist/D.Ng/B.Hill
PG: A.Bruce/J.Gilchrist

DPs: C.Molitor, A.Doyle

Any good young Cs returning from college this year that could replace Coop?

Hadn't we given up on Bruce, X?

I wouldn't keep Gilchrist to play SG. He's a PG or nothing IMO. Too short, not a good enough shooter (he shoots ok, but doesn't have that quick release you need to be a gun SG).

Other than those two things, the team you have is basically what I would go with as well. If we got a good SF import, I would start Ng at SG and use Herbert as the primary back up at both SG and SF.

Hill is the odd man out for the moment, but hopefully he can earn playing time. I still think if he puts it all together he will be a better player than Ng, but for now he's earnt the right to park his ass on the bench!

Yeah I was being a bit hopeful with Brucie. I was thinking Bruce and Gilchrist would split the PG minutes 20 each and give Gilchrist 10-15mins at SG as well like he gets with Cortez sometimes. Don't think his height is much of an issue looking at the other SGs around the league.

Sixers should go like this

PG:Hinson
SG:Herbert
SF:Holmes
PF:Ballinger
C:Burston

PG?
SG:NG
SF:Hill
PF:Garlep
C:Isiah Victor

It is disappointing that the team we have this year was not under a different coach.
I believe that we could have been a real threat, except for incompetent coaching.
Brad Hill would have developed into a great player.

If we had some decent offence,we could have been on top without a doubt.

Next year, I would try to get in Rychart and definitely keep Balinger, Herbert, Burston, Holmes and a heavier Ng.

I don't believe that Stacker should be an option.

I would give Hill another go if under a different coach

A healthy Burston over Schenscher, Burston is a tougher player with much more grunt. Schenscher is a big body but afraid to use this size. Too soft. I can recall many incidences of sheer frustration at Schenscher's poor shot selection under the basket. Missed far too many shots when he had the size and proximity to just put the ball in. Schenscher also brings disruption to the recruitment process as he still has his sights on OS. This is the reason we didn't get him this season and as far as I know he is still looking OS. If Burston agrees to come back next season, then don't waste any time on the Centre position and put all your energy into filling other key roles.

I would let Hill go because although other posters have suggested he could be a better player under a different coach, he still has the ego problem that would put his game before the benefit of the whole team, unless another coach can put an immediate stop to that.

I think Burston , Herbert have a bit of grunt, good D,screen and the like. Don't mind watching them, but some don't like Goorjians style.

Molitor - turns 23 - so I guess we have to do another compulsory under 23 each season - do we?

Aw - can't have Schensch. and Burston. OK .
and seems no one wants Groves even as an Aussie, and Goorj I don't THINK will be here. Gotta an NBL spot apparently.

Just some above are not putting u23 in the 10, so I wonder. ?

I also chose Burston over Schensch (I wasn't just assuming Schensch wouldn't be available). Lower points rating, lower salary, better D, less demanding of the ball etc etc etc.

Camel, Tez will be an Aussie? Really? I'd take him as an Aussie.

X - shano says 'ok let's say your Ben Fitz' - Then IF I was - ( I don't believe in re-incarnation, but if I did - I'd come back as Ben Fitz.) and I'd say -
" Cortez Groves - you've been in Australia a long time and your time as an Import has run out. BUT become an Aussie an we'll sign ya."

No dont want Groves under any circumstances he has totally lost game and a selfish player at that .
No player over all the years followed Sixers has frustrated me as much as this guy with way he plays.
Ok Jason Williams was close.
Have not a lot of money get 1 quality import keep base of team and replacement import etc get some young ones that have improvement in them

Tez is a very talented player, just strikes me as the dumbest dude ever to hit an NBL court. Bring in a smart coach to tell him how to play and I'd definitely take him as an Aussie backup PG.

I don't think he plays stupid at all, just isn't quite making his shots.

Jacking contested threes all game when you're one of the best penetrators in the league isn't stupid??? What about dribbling on the spot for a while when you catch it to let the defence set up? Attempting impossible passes?

If you don't jack (and hopefully make a few) threes, your defender sags off you and makes it that much harder to penetrate. Note that Hill will take threes as well, despite not being a known outside shooter.

Not denying that he's been far below his best, but he's third in the team in scoring, third in scoring efficiency, third in general efficiency. If his shooting percentages were higher, his stats would be half-decent.

The number of times he's penetrated at the right time or put up shots only to have them barely miss has been pretty amazing.

He's an under-performing import, but I don't think it's because he's dumb.

Third in NVP voting also ( last I heard)
Be good if naturalised and hung around here.
He's living in a unit on the Port River, upstairs from Gilchrist.
Davo should try to get him - Imagine him playing ABL here- oh my goodness, pretty to watch.

"If you don't jack (and hopefully make a few) threes, your defender sags off you and makes it that much harder to penetrate. Note that Hill will take threes as well, despite not being a known outside shooter."

Of course. The defender will sag off if you start HURTING him with penetration. When that happens, I'd be happy for him to put up a few threes, because he'd be fairly open then and could get the defender to come back up to him on future possessions.

It has hardly been a case of defenders standing a metre away from Tez this year, he's been taking heavily contested outside shots (when penetration is the better option) and he's just not a good enough shooter to make them and to get the defender's respect. And don't tell me it's just luck that he's missing so many.

BTW Hill's threes are usually a result of a kick-out to him in a corner when he's wide-open. You would rarely see him take contested ones like Tez rather than penetrate.

I still don't think taking moderately contested threes (it's likely that his role in the offense wouldn't get him open like Hill, etc) is "dumb" - he's obviously been forcing things a bit trying to get confidence and on a roll.