The eastern suburbs would be hurting if this is true.

All other clubs ask "whats a SASI?"

SASI bitch #286. Yawn!!!

considering they are getting rid of the AIS as well, it will surely be a time for BA to look at Basketball development around the country and get some sort of combined approach to development

Bluey, they aren't getting rid of the AIS, they are separating it from the Sports Commission. And the combined approach to development IS the National Intensive Training Centre program (ITC) which is delivered in SA by SASI.

And they did just look at this in the review of the sport just completed. There will be changes to the delivery of the ITC program but they haven't been announced yet. I guess they decided to tackle the basket case first (the NBL) and leave the things that are actually working (junior development) last. Remember that we have 20 million people and we rank 2/213 in the 2nd largest sport in the world even though basketball is a 2nd tier sport. The ITC/AIS/National team programs are the envy of the basketball world. Dig around the BA web site and I am sure you will find the review document and read it for yourself rather than having an uneducated swipe at things you don't understand.

underthekeel , you obviously are not involved with SASI or have had some negative experiences in the past or you would not be making such ludicrous statements. The SASI program in this state is open to all coaches to come and observe training sessions. The 'boys' club you speak of may exist in the minds of outsiders looking in but it is no surprise the two or three clubs that actually take coaching development seriously have a large representation. The question really needs to be asked to most of the clubs..."what and how do you develop your coaches?" Unfortunately, most clubs have no idea how to go about this which is why coaches who have aspirations to coach at a higher level ultimately move clubs. Maybe you should stop whining on a forum and put your time to better use and talk to your club about what they are doing to not only provide basketball pathways for the players abut also there coaches.

underthekeel , you obviously are not involved with SASI or have had some negative experiences in the past or you would not be making such ludicrous statements. The SASI program in this state is open to all coaches to come and observe training sessions. The 'boys' club you speak of may exist in the minds of outsiders looking in but it is no surprise the two or three clubs that actually take coaching development seriously have a large representation. The question really needs to be asked to most of the clubs..."what and how do you develop your coaches?" Unfortunately, most clubs have no idea how to go about this which is why coaches who have aspirations to coach at a higher level ultimately move clubs. Maybe you should stop whining on a forum and put your time to better use and talk to your club about what they are doing to not only provide basketball pathways for the players abut also there coaches.

What a lot of crap. There are SASI coaches and non SASI coaches.
If SASI was interested in equity they would recruit coaches from each of the clubs and do so as a matter of course.
It suits the head coach to run it the way he does and that includes keeping it in the sturt family.

Who is Sasi and what is her fashion sense like on match day?

NG recently sent a letter to each club asking for coaches to assist with the various age groups. NO RESPONSE! He is struggling for coaches and anyone who was interested and wanted to be involved would be able to.

That would be your clubs fault then wouldn't it. Maybe they aren't interested in developing thier coahes?

257809, yes. Speak to your coaching director.

If you dont have one or they look at you with a blank look when you ask, then get to another club!

I thought for years they recruited coaches to the SASI program. And I was shitty I was never being asked. One day I thought I would just boldly ask if I could come out. The answer was "yes" immediately and then followed by "which night can you come to". If you don't ask you'll never know.

828, If NG doesn't know the strengths of coaches at Div 1 across the board in district he's the wrong man for his job. He organises and runs development camps across the age groups and should be watching games at MORE VENUES THAN PASEDENA to find out about the kids qualities and by inference their coaches. He oversees the 16 and 18 state teams which by implication means he should have knowledge of the coaches.

What type of elite sporting organisation waits for people to come to them and takes whatever it can get? Answer courtesy of the posts here; SASI basketball!

Sure anyone can and some do go and watch but actual SASI coaches need the hand of God placed on them which means they need to be country connected, Forestville,Sturt or Norwood varieties in the main with a few outriders thrown in to quell criticism.

Every club should have two coaches at SASI and none of the clubs should have the disproportionate numbers that exist now.

SASI equals two things : nepotism and Ad Hoc.

How many SASI coaches are currently from Sturt? My understanding is that Clarke stopped in January, Butler wasn't involved since July and Mesecke since April. Other than Ben Gliddon, I'm not sure who they have.

This thread reinforces the cloak of secrecy associated with basketball. Some say any coach can go to SASI, all you have to do is ask, while others say you are recruited. Does anybody know?

It's not surprising that on the surface, a government organisation like SASI is interestingly run, lacks openness and has no accountability because we had the government's BASA precedent and the Dome fiasco that killed basketball's progress stone dead.

What is surprising, is questions about the coaching staff are always side stepped and no one dare criticise this supposedly public institution for fear of retribution.

IMO, a head coach is asking for criticism when he involves four or 5 immediate members of his family, and appoints several coaches from his old club to SASI and state positions especially when he frequents Sturt's stadium almost exclusively.

Clearly the institute sees no conflict of interest or doesn't care but it is surprising that with 10 foundation clubs still in existence in one form or another, representatives from each can't be found to coach at SASI.

Equally surprising is the literal 'boys club' which excludes high calibre female coaches, not by rules and edicts but by tacit sexism rife in basketball.
How many of the past AIS students or ex WNBL player have been picked up or head hunted by SASI to coach, or appointed to the 16 and 18 state women's team head coaching roles? When was the last girls state team coached by a woman?
Women's basketball is light years ahead of the men in Australia but still men dominate the coaching roles because the structure of basketball is patriarchal.
Yes, we will be better off with no SASI or the women will be anyway.

Every other state asks coaches and players to apply to be involved in the NITP, they must re-apply every year. A selection panel looks at the coaches/players & then makes appointments. SA does its own thing with only the prestige of the SASI name holding the program together. If the program was delivered without the SASI name by BSA, it would be interesting to see how many people would want to be involved, not many is my guess

that'swereI'llbe,

I think it is pathetic when someone come on here saying things as truth when they clearly are lies. Shows whay kind of weak and pathetic person you are.

1/ Your coaching director knows, go and ask them. They were at a meeting with NG where Neil has asked for coaches from all club.

2/ 5 Immediate family members. Blatantly untrue. 1 is involved as a coach. All other positions with State teams are selected by the competition committee. And considering BSA never get 6 team managers apply, and never get physio's apply, how can they decide any different?

3/ Again, all clubs sat around a table at least twice and had their coaching directors asked for people willing to give up 1 night a week to assist. Not the State Coaching Directors fault if they dont take it up.

4/ Which female coaches are you talking about? Other than Lyn Holland. Tania Dhu was asked to do both SASI and State again but turned it down.

5/ Again, who are you talking about? And what results have they got?

If you want to make bold statements, feel free to asnewr the questions posed. Ad PS, NG is considered to be the best in the country by BA. This States results are far greater per capita than anywhere else around the country.

099,

Simple. Go onto the BSA webite where they ask for applications.

Number of players in BSA compared t other States. Compared to results at National Championships and member of National Junior Teams.

Vic Met and Country. NSW Met and Country. WA met. Queensland North and South all have more players involved in their compettions that SA metro and Country combined. Infact, we have a similar number of players registered to Tasmania. (But hey BSA is doing a great job). Then compared the results.

101,

All clubs had a representative, some their president.

Reply #258126

The only SA bred coach on the National scene right now is Ninnis who developed his skills as a coach interstate......mmmmm

Coaches

Orlick
Arsego
Hill
Kinsman
Pritchard
Shueller
Lucas

All from SASI/State

Womens players:

Flanagan
Woosnam
Veal
Phillips
Marino
Bishop
Francis
Romeo
Madgen

And that took all of 2 mins.

Here is the problem. You think that it is his job to produce WNBL and NBL players. But the KPI's for his job are regarding National Junior Teams and AIS acceptance.

ie, how many players and coaches who go through his program make these squads.

How can he be held accountable for theit development after that is beyond me when his isn't involved in their continued development.

How many make the AIS based on the amount in the squads and what is the drop out rate at 18's to other sports from SASI

Pardon my ignorance, but I don't fully understand SASI, the scholarships, how kids try out, who gets selected, what nights it own, who you have to suck up to to get involved etc.

Whenever we play teams chocablock with SASI players there tends to be a lot of awe from the kids and they say "we're going to lose tonight, those kids go to SASI" A lot of the time, those teams are so predictable in their plays you can pick it like a nose.

For example, there's a standard in bounds play that gets the ball down to the key in 2-3 running passes. The plays always seem to rely on having a player on the weak side and really the plays work well on teams with lazy defence.

Defensively, the plays seem to always have an element of double teaming in the back court to set up a trap, or some form of zone defence.

The plays are pretty much Basketball 101 and I'm sorry, but maybe the question asked in the thread should be "how can we make SASI more effective?", or "How can we use SASI to raise the standard of basketball at all clubs in the state?" or "How can SASI develop coaches to better implement programmes?"

Jack, often when you are ignorant it is better not to make comment. You sound like somebody who has no idea what baskeball is about.

Players from SASI DO NOT all run the same out of bounds play. They run the play their club coach tells them to play. SASI DOES NOT dictate what offences or defences club teams run. What could possibly make you think that Neil Gliddon could possibly make all U16 and U18 teams with SASI players ru the same offence. Did yu even stop and think before you wrote the above post? If you did, you proved everything that is wrong with the attackes on SASI. That they come fro people who do not have a clue.

And again, SASI (or the NITCP as it is know around ausrtralia) is an underpinning program to the AIS and National Junior teams. It is not it's charter to help all clubs develop. CLub development is the job of the club. Some clubs do this, others do not. that is why some clubs have numerous SASI players and others do not.

But as we have seen, some clubs don't even have coaching directors, they would rather spend money on their senior teams. And then come on here and bitch and moan abot why the NITCP program doesn't do what they don't want to do for themselves.

Until people understand that clubs have a responsibility to develop players and their own club, they wont get any better.

Liesallies,
Thanks for the bite I was looking for. You're either a part of SASI, or a 5 m shark from Port Lincoln.

Nevertheless, the forum question was "Will we be better off with no SASI?" There was an assumption SASI was on the ropes.

I believe this is the wrong question to ask. Let's face it, what else would they do with the old Kidman Park High School site? Return it to market gardens?

With anything like this, people have different expectations. The scope is to produce athletes for state teams? There are many ways to do this.

So, I repeat "how can we make SASI more effective?"

Oh, and yes, SASI don't dictate plays, but players bring them back to the clubs, and the olde 3 pass play against a lazy D team gives 2 points everytime.

Jack,

NO. Players dont bring back plays to teams. Coaches decide teams and plays, and SASI doesn't run set plays at trainings, they develop players. For anyone to think other wise is rediculous and says more about your lack of understanding and therefore what happens in your kids teams thasn anything else.

If SASI develops a couple of players for the AIS, both them and the other SASI players who will improve from similar training will do well at State.

Interesting that two years ago the question was asked and now, I read in the paper that basketball will no longer be part of SASI ..... with tennis and soccer also given the chop. 10 sports left? What 10 sports could possibly have a higher profile or influence or result than these three? OK, cricket, football ..... keep going .....

That takes the award for the stupidest post ever on hoops, and I have read some shite on here over the years.

Agreed