I don't interfere with players or with the coaching

So why did Westover ring Grizzard ready to chew him out about not turning up to practice only to find out that Seamus had sacked him without consulting the coaching staff or any of the team.

I just wonder how serious he actually is, or if it is a stunt. There would be some advantage in him indicating a bid may be coming as this places pressure on the current bid to raise the ante. It could also stall negotiations and delay a sale placing un-necessary pressure on the new buyer as they would want to tidy things up before next season.
By then withdrawing a bid at the last minute, the successful owner now has an asset they have paid an extra X% for, got it later and in now under more stress.
Business is all about ROI. The higher the asset value, the more return investors expect. The return on the investment is the limiting factor. Therefore, by forcing your competitors to pay more for something you don't really want, the more pressure is on them. (the old win-lose situaion)

Seamus has probably read "The Art of War". Personally, I would call his bluff on this one.

he sits on the f'ing bench for god's sake - how would you like your boss that close to you every day?

Hemmerling Sits on the Sixers bench as well. The sooner Hemmerling is gone the better I think! I would like Seamus to be owner of the dome and Sixers as I think he has some good ideas for it.

Jack..... Seamus = Serious. No bluff.

KingJames..... How will you like it when the Tigers are playing the 6ers in the finals? And Seamus has pre-decided the game dependant on which team makes him benefit the most financially.

It's not against the rules to have one person own more than one team? MAKE IT AGAINST THE RULES.... NOW.

Seamus would be great for the 36ers franchise.
He has done a great job with the Tigers and has a real passion for the game.
We need to get back to being a top professional unit that can win but also develop some young players.
The AFL teams are the masters of promoting and developing and giving younger players a chance to play.
This is where the NBL has failed as has most clubs including ours..
People are interested more in the AFL becuase they love watching young players come through.
In nutshell Seamus could do this.

Sorry Bill, but I feel you're missing the fact that although Seamus loves B/Ball to bits, he is FIRST a business man, and a very succesfull one at that! His priority is making $$$$$$$ , and his dreams of how to run the Dome only support this.

However, this may not be all bad for us, because in the case senario of 36ers V Tigers, it would be better to have the games here because of the bigger capacity

NBA games in Adelaide.
I think not.

I agree with you Dicko, having one guy own more than one team is a very bad idea. Are the Sixers going to be the Tigers B team?

I thought the 'New NBL' wanted to be taken seriously? If anyone gets to own more than one team I will not be impressed!

DICKO how can you say he could pre-decide it? Do you think he will tell the coach that their team must purposely lose? Do u think the players would accept this? I don't see that as a possibility in the grand finals or any finals game for that matter.

On the other hand, I can see him making one team lose near the end of the regular season if it makes the other team play a more easier opponent in the finals. Or one team to lose to make the other team make the playoffs. For that reason most people would object to having someone having two teams. I think they are unlikely outcomes so I don't mind.

KingJames, I never thought professional athletes would throw games, but money talks. And if players don't dance, he could always sack the best player, or not pay the best player for a week or two.

Reminds me of that scene in Hot Shots...

"Both these guys fight for Don King, should be interesting.........."

Go to about 2:40min

What are you all going on about ?
Until Brisbane folded E.Groves owned two teams.

Camel.....Eddy Groves gave the impression that this was not the case, he gave Mal the reins pretty much and he stayed out.

Seamus is NOT, and has never been, the kind of hands-off person that he's claiming to be.

DICKO how can you say he could pre-decide it? Do you think he will tell the coach that their team must purposely lose? Do u think the players would accept this? I don't see that as a possibility in the grand finals or any finals game for that matter.

So when will the story come out about how Seamus derailed the Sixers by instigating the whole Julius thing?Will it be when Julius suits as a Tiger next season? No way that the league can allow dual ownership, the Groves Hemmerling deal was already tenuous enough.

If Seamus is serious, then this does worry me a bit.
Not because of the on field implications in the Melb. Tigers-Adel. Tigers derby, not because of how he'll own two teams, not because he's not a South Aussie, and not because people believe him to be a complete A#$#.
The thing that worries me the most is that the 36ers have the best attendance record in the league. Our crowds are highest because they are mum and dad crowds with kids in tow. These crowds create an atmosphere that is exciting and encourage our team to have one of the highest home game win rates in the league.
Demand a higher purchase price for a team, a higher return is needed and so ticket prices go up and crowds go down. Rather than mums and dads, the crowds are now sales reps wining and dining clients who don't share a passion for the Sixers. Anyone been to the AFL boxes, or finals lately? Clinical crowds in suits who are there to be seen, not there to see.
While we need good corporate support for the Sixers, the Sixers strategic advantage in the competition is that the home crowds are the sixth man and that we have always enjoyed good success at home in front of a passionate crowd. The last thing the Sixers need is a stadium half full of suits in $100/game seats. Give me a noisy 5,000 odd crowd any day. One of the best games of the last few seasons was Brett's last home game - why? Capacity crowd and standing room only.

Jack Toft, whilst I understand what you are saying, I don't believe higher ticketing prices will be the case. The reason is because there is only limited seats at the Melbourne Netball center and hence why he can charge more for tickets there.

I would say a $10 price rise per game for tickets here would decrease the crowd from about 5000 to 3000 (or much less considering the economy) making him lose more money. Furthermore, this would impact the catering businesses and their future contracts with the stadium. More importantly this will impact on Sponsors wanting to invest here, they wont want to if there is small crowds to every game. So it is a loss loss situation for him to charge more for tickets here.

KJ,
There will be a certain ROI that will be required and this will be achieved through corporate $ or ticket prices. The membership prices for Tigers are higher than for Sixers and I am sure some alignment would be in order if they were owned by the same owner.
At the Cage, a Gold family pass was $1,350 - significantly higher than the current Dome rate.
The corporate rates were not displayed.

Regardless of what people think, owning a club is a business and people expect a reasonable return. Supporters should expect to pay a fair price for seats, what I do not want to see is a Dome with the atmosphere of the Adelaide Club during Friday lunch.

BTW, make mine a pink G&T

Do you think he will tell the coach that their team must purposely lose? Do u think the players would accept this?

So Isaac you feel players in the GRAND final would jeopodise their chances of winning it by being told that they must purposely lose a game or even be told to let the other team win the finals? All this for the reason that they might not have a job next season if they don't abide by it? If a player didn't abide by this and they lose their job because of it they could easily sue and would easily win. Furthermore, this will destroy both teams reputation and sponsors wouldn't want to put money in clubs like that. If something like that happened that would be worse then college point shaving. There is not a remote chance that would ever happen.

Westover was saying changes would be made to the team and they weren't going to cut Ere. They cut Grizzard and get DT and Kendal and end up going 11-2 to finish the season and then end up making the grand final. I would say that was a brilliant decision by Seamus!

Not the point KJ the fact is that Seamus cut Grizzard without even asking Westover or having a discussion with him. The first Westover knew about it was when he failed to attend a training and called him to ask where he was.

That flies in the face of Seamus saying he does not interfere with players or coaching i dont know what is.

Regardless of what happened afterward they still lost the GF and IMO that was more to do with Kendall than getting DT in for Grizz.

And as far as owning 2 teams aiming for one prize do you remember what used to happen at Ferrari when Rubens was leading Schumacher? Rubens knew where his bread was buttered so would move out the way every time until Schuey started repaying him.

Whats the alternative?

No 36ers?


Ill take Seamus thanks

It's a long way from no Seamus = no 6ers yet.

There are other options being worked on I believe.

Seamus is as good as done.
And Dicko, as much as I enjoy reading your posts, its just a tad hypocritical to bag the Tigers salary cap rorting when your a Dragons fan.
Guess which team spends more? Clue, its yours!

At least it would solve the naming issues..just call it the SBL (Seamus basketball league)

Seamus is as good as done.
And Dicko, as much as I enjoy reading your posts, its just a tad hypocritical to bag the Tigers salary cap rorting when your a Dragons fan.
Guess which team spends more? Clue, its yours!

PS....not done and shouldn't be for a while from what I understand.

Funny that the Adelaide people are looking for a white knight to "save" them from a guy who's actually willing and able to buy it lock, stock and barrell.......should give you an idea of what high esteem they hold Seamus, eh?

i dont think any one should own two teams,
just make the rule b/a and move on.
if some one wants to own a piece of real estate(stadium)interstate, well thats fine.
what happened to the maximum ownership ruling?
i like seamus's passion,but like all rich guy's he is a control freak!

not sure what his future role with the league should be,who is going to be able control him?

maybe he should drop all ownership of teams and become the new ceo! great role for a control freak!!

'Anon' I'm not sure how long you've been coming here and continue to hide behind anonymity for some reason- it's quite easy to pass judgement and incorporate several topics in your post while you hide behind a veil of secrecy isn't it?

I've found Dicko's posts in the past to be quite accurate compared to many others that psycho-babble shit based on what some average mug or even player tells them- I'll agree that from my sources (which aren't confined to one particular team or their 'people') the Tigers and Dragons are the most overpriced and expensive team in the League at the moment, and for as long as McPeake continues to fan the flames I for one will keep 'sniping'- if he could stop treating this sport as his playground, that would be even better while the League and key people are tirelessly trying to clean up the perception and operation of the sport for next season.

Ofcourse owners wouldn't know or be able to create opportunities where they can mingle with equivalents at other clubs- they know who eachother are and often regard eachother with suspicion.
For those of us that pose no threat, do something outside of basketball for a living and where alcohol is aplenty, you'd be surprised at what you can find out about clubs.
Piece it all together from different clubs and you can safely form some conclusions on what is going on where.

For you to come on here and attack the credibility of a regulars who are in the know is either bold or stupid.... possibly both.

The point that person made was that Dicko wouldn't have a clue what all the other teams pay their players. He might think he knows but the reality is no one on forums does. Hell the NBL wouldn't even know and they're the ones with most of the numbers in front of them.

We all know everyone except the Spirit and maybe the Hawks were over the cap but to think you have enough inside knowledge of every teams accountants plus the player's agents to actually rank them in order is dishonest. There's rumour and innuendo and then there's trying a bit too hard to big note yourself.

not hard to do if you KNOW what 3 or 4 players on every team are on.

Dicko was responding to "Guess which team spends more? Clue, its yours!" - is that doing the same thing you're critical of '149?

While the rankings might not be 100% accurate/confirmed, the info wouldn't be miles off. Enough to make it worth discussion.

On the Seamus/36ers topic, obviously there were rules in place in the past for a reason. They included one about owning multiple teams and one about owners having to be locals.

OK...let's make a couple of simple points.

1. Not "sniping" at McPeake. Stating facts, my own serious concerns about the way he conducts himself and the fact that he is in a position of power is perfectly relevant to the topic at hand. A topic I didn't start, by the way. If you think I have a problem with the man....I do....but that doesn't change the accuracy of what I've said about him or the fact that I (and MANY others) think that he should not be in the position he is in.

2. Stating that Cowan wouldn't know what the Tigers players are on is true, or McPeake what otehr clubs are playing players.....Kind of. He'd know what some of them have been offered by himself and/or other clubs, so would have an idea of what they would have gone to the Tigers for. There are PLENTY of people around the league who have a VERY good idea of what others are being paid.

3. That ONE SOURCE you keep talking about is interesting, because IF it's the one I think you're referring to, he has NOTHING to do with what I'm saying here. In fact, I haven't discussed player payments with him ever, that I can recall.

4. Neither Tigers OR Dragons are the top spending team. Maybe there's another club with a little less of the spotlight on them who could be spending the ENTIRE salary cap on 2 players. Geez, you'd want at least an MVP for that sort of money wouldn't you? One that fields lucrative offers from Europe all the time, and has been talked about in NBA Circles?

Seriously son, if you think I would post stuff like this without having a pretty good clue of what I'm saying, you're nuts.

I tell you what....I'll give you what I think are the top 4 and you tell me where you think I'm wrong.

1. NZ
2. Tigers
3. Cairns
4. Dragons

Obviously I can't go into massive details as I don't want to get anyone in trouble. But I'm VERY confident of these rankings.

Cairns, obviously wouldn't have spent it due to circumstances.... But I'm talking about deals at seasons start plus players coming in mid-season.

NZ top players paying?
Possible. However I heard early on the Snakes offered CJ 50% more.
Maybe CJ's advisors knew that Cairns were dodgy.
If any other team is spending the salary caP on 2 players then they should ask for a refund or sue them for false advertising.

Dicko, are you accounting for the NZD exchange rate?

Why? What is the AUD to sheep exchange now?

IMO....DICKO is among the most knowledgeable and respected posters.

While i dont expect him to be 100%...inmy experience, he has been damn close most times

Dicko - NZ$1m would be AU$820k or so, NZ$2m would be AU$1.6mish, etc. When word spreads about contracts it's usually just a figure taking the Chinese whispers road and may not account for currency differences. Rickert would likely get paid in USD. Of the other nine, I reckon seven are likely to be paid in NZD, maybe even all nine.

Yeah....fair point, and one I haven't really thought about clarifying.

But still, in fairness, if 2 guys take up the salary cap, even in NZ dollars, the team as a whole would have to be right up there as a spender, yes?

In the end, I just want them to come up with a realistic cap and then police the damned thing. It's up to the new league to fix these things, and without this, new league or no, basketball will not survive at the top level.

I think we have gone off on a tangent....which is most unusual for this forum

If that were true, then they'd be up there, but there is a difference between that and locking them in at #1. Doubt guys like Tanner, Behrendorff, Henare and Boucher are overly expensive.

Hmmmm.....maybe.

But Rickert, Ronaldson and that other guy? The one that Boti describes as having a paint allergy?

Pretty sure there'd be some demand for those guys services.

Whilst I dont always think Dicko is always right. He is right that we dont want Seamus to get any more power even it will benefit Sixers.
Also no Owner should own 2 teams outright.
My main concern he is a cost cutting profit focussed owner. How would he reduce overheads at Dome . Close off one end or one side to narrow down stadium size .
Remember Tigers court size only holds 3k approx.
Where are all the owners other posters have been sprouting about all last season.

Seriously son, if you think I would post stuff like this without having a pretty good clue of what I'm saying, you're nuts.

I tell you what....I'll give you what I think are the top 4 and you tell me where you think I'm wrong.

1. NZ
2. Tigers
3. Cairns
4. Dragons

1. How you have IMO overdone the digs at Seamus - not the opinions and debate, rather the throwaway one liners that have popped up here and there. (moreso in other threads than this one - my mistake for bringing it up in this thread)

2. Your occasional putting down of other posters when they dare disagree with you - maybe its just my perception but to me it seems at times you rebut someones arguments with the attitude of "my source is infallible and knows everything so how can you disagree with me"

you released a track record? is it available on itunes to listen to?

Im waiting for the track CD...or is it on Itunes?

"Contemparise man, contemparise"


:)

Sorry just read Kents post...stealing his jokes