Or allow a non-membered club to get the opportunity. The Western Magic U/12 Boys were undefeated in the summer season in div 2 and nominated div 1 and Torrens Valley U/18 Boys div 2 were undefeated and nominated div 1 so why not allow them to play as the 10th team for this season.

Good point agree.

torrens valley would get killed in the eighteens.

but agreed is right, an extra team should really be allowed to be brought up, it will only be good for the league.

Magic U12 beat the Div 1 teams competing at Starplex! No vacancy at U 18 boys though.

I totally agree with this thread WHY????? isn't a Western Magic, Torrens Valley or any other basketball club allowed to nominate div 1. Why do the so called 10 member clubs just get the right's to nominate, if you have proved yourself over the years and know you have got teams in your club that can play at that level why not let them. It is just very disappointing for stopping children at every age level to let them play at the highest level where possible, regaurdless where they play or for whom, these kids are our future in this sport and they will just go and play another sport. And before you say go play for a membered club maybe these kids are very happy were there playing and do not want to play any where else. Like they say it is no point playing any sport if you are not happy. I just think it is very wrong and Basketball in South Australia should wake up to them selfs and stop living in the past. like i said the KIDS are our future in this sport.

you speak for everyone at non-member clubs, do you not happy.

Everyone else pays for the right field a division 1 team, if Magic or whatever fielded a div 1 team without paying that membership fee it would be grossly unfair

If they have so many happy players, surely the club would have no trouble finding the money?

I am not from a non-member club BUT...

Surely filling a Div 1 competition is important rather than having byes. I confess I don't know anything about what it costs to be allowed a Div 1 spot but if by promoting these teams eliminates Div 1 byes and increases/strengthens the competition for the other clubs surely it must be good for basketball.

And I hope "us member clubs" don't simply say they won't be competitive - I am confident these two named teams would not finish bottom in Div 1. What are we scared of?? one of these teams making the finals or heaven help us, win the Div 1 GF!!!

I am just saying - we do not need byes in Div 1 if clubs, whether they are member or non member clubs are prepared to fill that vacancy.

I am not from a non-member club BUT...

Surely filling a Div 1 competition is important rather than having byes. I confess I don't know anything about what it costs to be allowed a Div 1 spot but if by promoting these teams eliminates Div 1 byes and increases/strengthens the competition for the other clubs surely it must be good for basketball.

And I hope "us member clubs" don't simply say they won't be competitive - I am confident these two named teams would not finish bottom in Div 1. What are we scared of?? one of these teams making the finals or heaven help us, win the Div 1 GF!!!

I am just saying - we do not need byes in Div 1 if clubs, whether they are member or non member clubs are prepared to fill that vacancy.

HAHAHAHAHA hear we go again we poached players what a joke those players left those clubs because they were not happy at them, and they were not ran properly. And as for your comment Eastern Lowland Gorilla you would not have a clue if those clubs would struggle paying those fees, like all the other clubs. Otherwise they would not have nominated in div 1 i am quite sure Western magic and Torrens Valley would of thought of that and would be able to easierly afford it.

It is about time these so-called affiliated clubs applied to become member clubs with all associated costs and responsibilities, then they could stop rorting the system and a more level playing field could be enjoyed by all!

How can it be good for the KIDS on both sides, those that are getting smacked by a team playing below their true grade and those being given a false sense of their own ability by winning every week.

Yes, KIDS are our future in this sport and BSA needs to make the decision - affiliated clubs become full district members or go play social.

NOW - not next season or next year the time is NOW!!

Why? beg to differ - Bearcat U12 Girls Div1 beat Western Magic - twice! at Starplex

Plus Rockets U18 only had 5 players and Magic only JUST beat them

Does it really matter who takes up the 10th spot? What happens when somebody from a 9 grade comp pulls out taking these comps to an 8 week comp that doesn't get to play at home with all the other teams?

Anon,

Was talking boys not girls in U12's. In U 18's you talking boys or girls?

It was actually U/12 Boys Western Magic not the girls and my bad it was the U/16 Boys Torrens Valley that I was talking about yesterday nominated for Div 1 and there is a spot available not the U/18 Boys.

Why not let in a couple of social teams as well?

IMO non member clubs should not even be in the comp at all; not Div 1,2 or 26!

Sorry, if Div 1 is lacking teams there are a few "member clubs" that have been asking for 2 Div 1 teams for many years now, and can fill them.

Go off and have your own league with Semaphore, the Norther Rattlers or Pookys Pie Farters.

If you want to play with the big kids.... become one.

U.M.C.

I don't disagree with what you are saying but why not allow for this season, where we have over half the Div 1 competitions with byes, a second team from member clubs or a first team from non member clubs be promoted to Div 1. I bet if you took a poll of the players they would prefer to play rather than not.

The Western Magic U12 Div 2 boys team is a strong team and should be up in Div 1 IMO. I have seen them play and they are well coached and are a tidy unit.

My kid is about to quit due to this crap that is going on - well done BSA - well done competitions committee, well done clubs, well done commission. How about letting the kids play at the highest level they can, Not allowing a 10th team, because of self serving interests weakens basektball in this state and hinders development of players. You want National titles, you want elite level players, you want AIS representatives. You want kids in Australian teams from SA. You are reducing the pool of players to choose from with your rules and voting and the fall out from it.

Allow another member team into the Div 1 comps OR insist on the Torrens Valleys, the Easterns the Magics paying what everyone else does to be in this competition, then their kids can play Div 1 it will let a lot of kids that can and should be playing Div 1 play it.

Because of this benign, antiquated set-up teams get pushed further down into the lower divisions. EG teams that should be in Div1 playing div 2 - Teams that should be in Div2 in Div3 and so on and so forth. Not good for the players not about developing players and certainly not good for basketball in this state!

#223900 , Interesting that you beleive by your kid not playing div 1 is reducing the pool of state players, national players etc. Can I ask a qustion - If they are so good, why then can't your kid even make the div 1 team at your club????

If your kid is playing to play pro-basketball I would think they are living in a dream world. Play for fitness, the challenge, the friendships and the love of the game then regardless of what team they make or whether they go pro or not they will play.

Clueless - No where in my comments did I say my kid should be in div 1 - My kid and his team will end up in a grade well below the standard that they have been use to because of not allowing an extra div 1 team, the teams that should be in Div 1 playing div 2 etc etc. My comments are about b/ball generally in this state and the impact it has on all kids playing ball. And if you follow the results of Div 2's you will see that some Torrens Valley boys teams should very clearly not be in Div 2 but in Div 1. So thats where the other teams get pushed down. Thats why they should be made to pay like the member clubs and their kids then should be in Div 1 - problem solvered

Some clubs have bottom age players who are in div 2 that will be state players the following year.

And some kids would rather quit basketball than move clubs.

It is a loss for basketball!

ELG,

It is not having the div 1 team that costs. It's that your club wastes money on buying imports and paying players as well as new uniforms and trainings.

Funny that those clubs who have managed to keep senior costs down, or generate sponsorship dollars to pay for their senior programs, are those that have done well in juniors.

Bring on the BSA changes to association based basketball

NOW!!

984, why don't you think it'll work?

anon,

Population and Size of the city: every other major city, including Perth, Brisbane, Hobart, asnd all other reigonal centres outsied of SA use an association model.

Why it that a problem?

Club Administration and availability of quality administrators: by moving to Association, clubs will need to employ people outside of basketball with sports industy service skills, to go with the clubs basketball understanding. This can only improve the product and therefore the sport.

Why doesn't your club have these people already?

Lack of facilities: Associations in Melbourne play without owning any facilities at all. Go and rent some, talk to coucil about building some. With income from current competitions, you can even get a loan to build yourself.

Lack of Coaches: This will develop as playing numbers increase.

Lack of referee's: This will develop as associations will need to employ and improve them to improve their competitions. Hence, it will mean that if clubs don't put effort into this, they will lose out on their own growth, a very good reason to do it.

Tiny playing base: Sa doesn't have a tiny playing base, it's just that it is spread over multiple competitions. association will put them all into local comps together.

Give me some more.

While you are whinning about why it won't work. Some clubs will be making it work, and in 10 years time your club will be gone, and you will be blaming the change. It won't be because of the change, but rather, because people like you won't embrase change, put in the necessary work, make the sacrifices and imporve basketball.

Each club will run it's own stadium, and hire facilities in its area to run miniball and a saturday based reigonal competition.

From that competition, each association will select a representative team into the BSA elite competition which will be a purely by merit div 1/2/3? competition.

Hot off the press; The non member social teams will be asked to join the grown ups soon.

Now that Hoops is back, the association model debate I'll start off in a new thread....it's a big ticket issue