Isaac
Years ago
Watch where Tyndale runs from to get that block. Impressive.
It's hard to make out the game clock at the other end of the court, but my guess at trying to estimate the amount of time the clock stops for and how long between the final shot and the buzzer suggests the bucket would've counted.
What does everyone else think?
Is there better footage of the game showing the clock more visibly?
Ian
Years ago
Watch how no one was moving on offense for Bruce. It was a bad turnover but he had no one helping.
I dont think Mee woulda got a shot off if they hadnt stopped the clock. :(
Moses Guthrie
Years ago
Wouldn't have counted. Big stuff up in the scheme of things. You should never stop the clock on your own thoughts. It's why the referees have whistles.
David
Years ago
why did it basically consist of the whole ninnis interview? not much of a hoops tv
Nice vid. It looks as though HUMMER is still on the press conference back drop, am I right? If thats true thats a joke.
Ben Fitz
Years ago
So David you think the thoughts of the coach after a killer loss in controversial circumstances have nothing to do with basketball?
I am always open to feedback on how to make anything to do with the game night experience better as long as it is constructive.
Isaac
Years ago
Why's that? Hummer still features on the NBL site in a few key places.
The clock appears to stop for pretty close to a second. Between Darnell releasing the ball and the clock running out of time, I count almost two seconds. e.g., if the clock had been left running, he would've scored with time still available. Is anyone seeing it differently, and how so?
KingJames
Years ago
Ian it was an isolation play. Bruce was meant to beat his man (using a screen from Schencher which was a pretty poor screen) and if he did that then whoever was in the corner their defensive player would have came over to help leaving them open. However Bruce couldn't beat his opponent and wasn't even looking to score it seems, then did what every junior gets taught not to do and that is jump in the air with the ball looking for a pass.
Great work with the video including Interviewing Jacob. I put $100 on that bet so he cost me almost $3000 with his missed foul shot! Damn you Jacob! :P
I would have liked to hear Scott be asked why Bruce was on the whole last quarter. Did he feel he was going to shoot/play him self out of a slump? Did he feel there was no ideal time to bring him out of the game? Does he feel Hill and Burdon are not capable of playing the guard role?
KingJames
Years ago
Great video Ben Fitz. I appreciate the work!
I think if someone like Winitana is not playing well perhaps ask them why they feel they haven't been performing well in games. I would like to hear their opinion on them selves as well as their opinion on the game.
cheers!
twenty four
Years ago
Looks too close to call. Mee's shot was a bit of a floater and bounced around the rim a couple of times, so that makes it even harder to judge.
TBH, I don't quite understand everyone saying that Bruce should have been taken off. Hill isn't a PG and Burdon turned it over twice in 8 and a half minutes on court...
Sturty6ers
Years ago
Conspiracy Theory.
Jacob Shaving points. Did you see him turn red when the hard question was put to him????
Great video Ben....
KingJames
Years ago
twenty four, Burdon also scored 5 points in those 5 minutes compared with Bruce's 1 point in 40 minutes. In the last quarter we scored 4 points in the first 7 minutes. Surely that would be an indication that we need a change of guard in there. Hill (I think) and Burdon who were the most efficient scoring players in the game had no minutes in the last quarter. It was worth a try rather then persevering with what was a terrible game by Bruce.
Isaac
Years ago
KJ, what if Burdon was playing against Williams and Vale while Bruce was up against Mee?
twenty four, the bouncing around is irrelevant surely? As long as Darnell gets the shot away before the siren goes, it's valid.
Kent Brockman
Years ago
One thing i did notice is Jake and Luke standing under the rim watching it bounce around a go in when they possibly could have tried to knock it off the rim.
twenty four
Years ago
KJ, Burdon knocked down an open three and made his FT's. If that gives you confidence that he could've changed the game, fine. I just don't think that would've been the case.
Isaac, I just read your first post again and it's kind of what I meant. There seemed to be good second between the ball leaving Mee's hand and the siren sounding, rather than Mee getting it off just as the sirren sounded, which would have made it an open and shut case. (If that's makes sense?)
...
Years ago
Here's the link for the video in high quality (dunno if it shows much clearer though):
http://linky.com.au/0bpy9
I can clearly see the clock stopping for close to 2 seconds as soon as the dude got blocked. It's as though the time-keeper shat him/herself from the crowd noise then realised the clock should still be running. Awkward...
KingJames
Years ago
Isaac, sorry I didn't answer that same question in the other thread. It is a fair point however I think most of the time when Mee was out there either Cook or Grabau was out there also. So I think Grabau or Cook guarded Bruce most of the game while Mee was more matched up against whoever was the shooting guard at the time. On the defensive end Bruce usually guarded (or tried to) Cook or Grabau.
Twenty Four, that is fine we can just agree to disagree :) but in a game where scoring was limited I feel it would have been better to have Burdon and Hill in over Winitana and Bruce. Even to just try it out. Also Bruce's defence needs alot of work and Boti clearly pointed this out. Scott Cooks 8 points in the last quarter really helped them to win the game.
Mantis
Years ago
I can clearly see the clock stopping for close to 2 seconds as soon as the dude got blocked. It's as though the time-keeper shat him/herself from the crowd noise then realised the clock should still be running. Awkward...
As I said in the game thread, the replay was on Sports Tonight and Thomas grabs the ball out of court after Tyndale's block, and that's when the clock stops at 5.6 seconds - the timekeeper anticipated the whistle for out-of-court, which never came. Unfortunately, the clock goes out of shot before it restarts, so it is hard to tell exactly how long its stopped for, but it is at least one second, but not as much as 2. Checking the HD youToob vid, it looks like only a second, which would have made a difference IMHO - but the real difference was the blown out-of-court call.
David
Years ago
Not nothing to do with basketball just it was a bit long i thought maybe you would interview assistant coaches or players not just have the 36ers press conference as its a bit dull viewing sure have snippits but not a full blown thing
XztatiK
Years ago
Williams guarded Burdon, Grabau and Cook (together) guarded Bruce. It's hard to compare their turnover stats considering that.
Isaac
Years ago
KJ, remember that Grabau is a specialist defender too.
I reckon if you'd had any coach in the league in Ninnis' position and with the roster available, they would've played Bruce at the point for the bulk of that final quarter (if not all of it).
DDFan
Years ago
I'm not happy that Aaron was singled out in the interview. Sure the turn-over is on his stat line, but there isn't a player on our roster that hasn't pulled a boner at some stage.
As someone else pointed out, there was zero player movement off the ball for that critcal last set. That plays right into the hands of the defending team, & they were playing it tight.
KingJames
Years ago
DDFan, it was an isolation play. In that case players are meant to stay as low to the baseline as possible and not move. Therefore Bruce needed to beat his man, he didn't do this. It was his play to call. Its a normal end of quarter/game play unfortunately it didn't work. I would have been more happy them playing a motion offence for the last play until about 8 seconds to go where an isolation play would be needed. At least this gets everyone involved and if the right play presents it self then take it.
DDFan
Years ago
Cool KJ. I'm not big on the techo stuff.
I agree though, the motion offence would've been my choice in that situation.
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