7 p = 7 premierships p = premierships r/u =runner up I hope that helps.

Sturt/Forestville 18 GF's

Everybody else put together 18 GF's. That includes Western Magic and Torrens Valley.

Is this a concern?

Apparently Woodville won a grand final, if you haven't heard.

Dispiriting that two clubs share most of the silverware. No coincidence that they have the best facilities, but wonder if there's more competition between and within sturt and forestville than in the main district comp? They seem to be light years ahead of everyone else.
Can you imagine the uproar in afl or other leagues if the winner was always one of two clubs. BSA, we have a problem.

Grote,

This has been achieved my large investments, time and money, into junior development by Sturt and F'ville.

Let's hope that other clubs will follow their example. This would make the competition in SA less lopsided. It would also increase the standard and make SA more nationally competitive, and increase the popularity of basketball.

It wasn't that long ago that Forsetville was a basket case.
They put together a plan, put good people in place, and worked that plan.
Sturt have a continually evolving plan that is well structured and now includes succession planning.

Its not rocket science. But it takes a unity of purpose and hard work.

Witness the results.

No they don't cheat and poach and shouldn't be dragged back to the mediocre.

Kids and their parents will leave weak clubs because they see the differences in the strong clubs. Not necause they are "poached".

If you want to keep your good kids, GIVE THEM A REASON TO STAY!!

They were invited, but didn't want to.

Don't give us this rubbish about Sturt and Forestville's hard work leading to success. As if the other clubs don't! S and F must accept their privileged position re facilities and specialist sports school has a lot to do with their success.
If you want to develop juniors you have to have somewhere to develop them.

So now its "the privileged position re facilities and specialist sports school"

Didn't seem to slow Sturt down having a stadium burn down and then lose their court for over a year while the courts were rebuilt.

There was some sort of other consipracy that got them over this adversity???

Nothing to do with good planning and hard work???

Didn't slow Norwood down prior to having Marden. Hasn't done Centrals much good. And Southern's demise??? Still have a 4 court stadium....

Leopard,

Other clubs don't work AS hard (and smart), they just whine about facilities and sports schools....

So it's all hard work and good planning at Sturt and Forestville that accounts for their success? I don't think so.
You do the game and the other clubs a disservice not to recognise the financial and infrastructure problems impacting on the other clubs.
Why can Forestville etc hire a court at half the price some other clubs pay? And sometimes it's not even a matter of cost, but courts are simply not available, for training or domestic comps or whatever.
Of course S and F work hard, but if you could stop patting yourself on the back for a moment you might see that's only part of the story.

Congratulations to all finals participants.
Your achievements reflect your commitment to your sport.

Sector 7G

You can't be serious. "Sturt dont cheat or poach players"

I watched their Under 14 Girls team play the G/F and there were 4 girls playing from other Clubs.

Did Sturt develop them from an early age. No!

Its about now that the phone starts ringing and "Hi I am from Sturt and we would like to offer you ...................."

Yawn....

#204925

That's a well balanced opinion - you've got a chip on each shoulder.

Leopard,

You do the game a disservice by using soft weak excuses instead of rolling your sleeves up and working harder to catch up to Sturt and Forestville. Rather you'd rather drag them down to the lowest common denominator.

I'd rather see all clubs have the opportunity to compete on equal terms, with equal or similar revenue options/courts and court charges/facilities/ etc. Not two superclubs and a host of also-rans. Better for the game and everyone in the long run.

What the,

Not exactly sure how this is "cheating". Because I am sure that if te same players had have approached your club, they would have accepted them as well.

leopard 46,

What is difference between Foestville and Sturt, and Norwood or Southern? All have 3 court venues (4 in the Southern case) that they play out of. No clubs own's the venue, nor decides rates and times for trainings.

Norwood don't have a canteen or bar, but they make a killing at Easter.

And please don't bring up the specialist schools program at Pasadena High. South have just as may of their players attending as Sturt and Forestville. About 10 in total between the 3 clubs. And not too many of them are superstars.

Leopard,

You continually bring up courts/facilities etc., but you also fail to address the well-made point about Sturt not having a stadium for a couple of years, and then losing Pasadena for another year (or thereabout) when the floor was rubbish. Why do you conveniantly fail to address this point - is it because it completely shoots down your theory?

Basket 69

I know of two of those players that did not approach Sturt but were approached by Sturt.

Theres a big difference.

What the,

How would you know that kind of information? Do you have phone recordings etc?

Or did "somebody" just tell you.

Sturt/Forestville - do they have club rooms and an office? Dot hey have a canteen and a bar (ie available revenue source)? Not all clubs do, which, you will concede, makes running an organisation difficult.
Stadiums - Issues of cost AND availability. BSA venues (Wayville, Pasadena, Hillcrest etc) far cheaper than private ones, which is one difference with Norwood/Southern.
Availability - Seem to remember Flames moved to the Dome at one point, which indicates an unhappy relationship with Marden. Also heard an effort to establish a domestic comp at Marden failed. TV Cougars also based at Marden.
No doubt it was difficult for Sturt to be out of Pasadena, so show some understanding for clubs which don't belong to any stadium.
It's not as if SA has a heap of unused stadiums looking for players/clubs, now is it?

leopard 46,

Southern have the same deal as both Sturt and Forestville, with the bar and canteen. Plus an extra court. And Norwood have made more money from their carnival each year than a bar and canteen.

If Norwood have a bad relationship with Mars because they don't get along, wouldn't that be Norwoods problem, not everybody else's?

I would suggest that it is impossible to make all clubs equal, but when Sturt were without a regular Stadium for 5 or so years. Without extra income cheap training courts etc, they still managed to win a number of Overall Club Championships. While at the same time, Forestville had been in Wayville for a number of years and were losing more players than they were gaining. Especially, their better juniors.

How do you explain for that?

Leopard is on the money; good points. Not criticising Sturt/ Forrestville but pointing out that other clubs pay significantly more court hire, do not have courts available when they want them; and do not have canteens, etc to bring in very good profits. Yes, they do work for it, and they should be cogratulated, but others don't have that opportunity.
Good luck to Sturt/Forrestville but it is not a level playing field.

I think what most people on here fail to recognise is that coaches from both Sturt and Forestville put in countless hours away from both of their normal, allotted training times. I wonder how many other clubs have coaches doing early morning individual sessions or Saturday afternoon sessions? I have had players from other clubs attend my training sessions and cant believe that we don't just run 5 man weave, netball drill, shoot and scrimmage for 90min. It's about teaching and putting the extra yards to make these players better.

Resources are one thing, but putting them to use is another. Just because you don't have a canteen or office or whatever else, doesn't mean you can't run extra sessions for your players, or provide them with shooting/passing/ball handling programs. If you have the internet, you can find all of these things on-line.

An earlier point about SASI coaches is ridiculous. If you want to attend a training session, come out and watch. No one will ask you, you actually have to take matters into your own hands.

I'm sick of people complaining about being disadvantaged - well boo frikin hoo!
My club was in total chaos a number of years ago and a handful of committed people decided to do something about it. 7 years on, we see the fruits of our labour.
Tell me, are the coaches at your clubs teaching the players what is required to develop to an elite level? Are the coaches talking with Neil Gliddon about what needs to be taught? He would be more than happy to discuss these points...if asked.
So stop complaining and actually do something about it. Nobody likes whingers.

A huge problem is that non basketball people often make poor decisions related to basketball matters. You need basketball people running the basketball program and business people running the club itself. Unfortunately, this is not the case with most clubs, and non-basketball people are making the wrong decisions for the long term development of their players.

Should you really be paying your Senior Men's and Women's teams any money when your junior program is awful? The right answer is no, but year on year, clubs try and recruit players (to play in games that 200 people attend) into their senior teams to try and win a title that realistically means nothing, you win no money, but you do win a nice trophy (come on people, do we really need imports from Canada?!?). Imagine pumping all that money into a junior program and reaping the rewards down the track. Most clubs don't have the balls to do it, and will suffer the consequences until they realise.

"No doubt it was difficult for Sturt to be out of Pasadena"

Leopard,
Wow - way to try and gloss over the issue! So it was "difficult" - but they were still very succesfull. How? By the way you put it, it would be impossible to compete without a home stadium - they would have had zero courts, no canteen or bar. I guess it might be because unlike you they didn't just have a sook about their lot, they went out and worked around it, and still won. I can see why they are where they are, and I can imagine where you are.

Actually Southern pays no hire charges for Sunday trainings unless it has changed in the last 6 months.

If people only knew the compensation most clubs are getting and how much debt they owed to the old BASA, they would amazed and those clubs should be ashamed of themselves for still complaining.

Under 16 boys Div 1 this year has been a great competition.
Sturt, Mavs & Norwood started the season way above the other teams.
But as the season developed, many of the other clubs raised their level over the season.
South, Eagles & Tigers improved enormously.
There were not many games that was a foregone conclusion.
All the Div 1 teams worked hard during the season, and evan the teams that finished near the bottom, played good solid basketball.
For me, this was the most evan competition I have seen over the past 7 years.
I suppose it is a shame that many of these teams gets broken up into different teams, and the process starts again.

I have been critical of the varying standards over the years, but this age group has been very good all the way to the bottom team.
This only happens by dedicated coaches and support staff and decicated players.

Not all clubs can make the grand final, and many times it is a fine line between winning and losing.
Many times statistics about how the clubs done can be very misleading, and does not show the true effort that goes into the players every week.

Well done to all those involved - a great season.

I would have to agree with both views to a certain degree.
Sturt & Eagles are very well run clubs and with great management always looking to the future of their clubs.
But clubs who own their own venues also have an advantage over those who dont.
Pasadena is a great advantage to those clubs who's kids do school there.

plpdc,

Sturt DO NOT own their own stadium, neither do Forestville. And the school program at Pasadena has 3 sturt players, none of whom are in div 1. So I am unsure what advantage it is.

They might not own the stadium but they certainly don't pay anywhere near the hire costs of some other clubs. And they have a lot better access to the courts.

Southern do pay court hire fees- it has changed in the last six months.

Well done Afroman

I have to agree the Under 16 Boys Competition this year was sensational and the improvement from some sides was exceptional.

anon, wrong again.

Sturt pay the same rate to BSA stadiums that all clubs do. And they would hire more outside courts due to the number of teams they have, including City South who train.

Other than when it is not used by miniball games(rarely), Sturt only hire Pasadena 8.30 - 1pm for trainings on Sunday mornings. Every other club with a BSA stadium would have greater access.