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Both trades were failures.

As for whether teams should trade, they should. Just not for old, washed up guys that won't do anything to help your team. Especially not when you make the trade half through the season.

I'm more interested in seeing how Shaq goes next season, if he is in a Suns top. Does he commit himself? Or does he just give up like he did in Miami? You want to see him try for one last ring, but I can't see him bothering anymore.

Solid defender? At the 3? Shawn Marion, anyone?

Had to said....

ok, if the shaq trade wasnt the right move then what trade should have been made? clearly marion wasnt interested and the suns lost with him anyway.

kirilenko? or gamble on an artest? josh smith could have worked i suppose.

what about kidd? i think this trade was even worse than shaq. not sure what dallas should have done though. maybe their window just passed? how would nash feel - i think the spurs have knocked him out 5 times including one with dallas in 2003.

I find it amazing that both Avery Johnson and Mike D'antoni job's are under such scrutiny because they haven't been able to deliver a title. Sure some questions have to be asked but coaches of their calibre and level are not a dime a dozen and you can't just bring in the next bloke and see how he goes. You must remember every year there are 30 teams and probably 10-15 trying to win it all, but....there can only be 1. I fully understand its a huge business and EVERYTHING must be explored and done for ultimate success, but maybe sometimes you have to accept that the other franchise simply had things worked out a little better than yours and everything that could be done was?

I agree with M Dizzle to a point. However, I just think that whoever makes the descisions for teams usually becomes impatient if the core is full of veterans, like the Suns and Mavericks are. If these were young teams, with some development to do, such as the Hawks or even the Blazers, you'd admit that you're not good enough for the title, but could be on your way. However, with these older teams, the time is ticking away, and they have to win right now, or else they simply miss out, their window of opportunity passes, and have they have to rebuild, like the Heat are doing now.

Just ask yourself this...

Is Kidd still better than Devin, even this late into his career?

The answer is yes.

So overall the trade was far from a failure

It's going to be an interesting time in both Phoenix and Dallas.

The are reports coming out of Phoenix that Coach D is already gone, whilst reports from Kerr that's not the case.

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I completely agree with you but here is my point more specifically. There are 30 teams competing in the league for the services of the players in the best combination they can muster up in this environment. Can it be the case that the Suns and Spurs, Mavs and Hornets have all assembled the best teams they can with the resources available. Their players are buying into the system 100% and exerting 100% effort to win...however is it possible that the Suns and Mavs and their coaches really havnt done much wrong, its just the Spurs and Hornets are simply more capable and effective of winning basketball games? Every game must have a winner and a loser.

Not a personal attack at all btw 3, just trying to clarify my point for everyone

mr black, that's far too a simplistic way of looking at it. harris had improving to do and kidd is on the slide BIG TIME. also picks were part of the trade as well so there goes dallas picking any young talent. on top of that kidd gets paid 21mill next season.

the trade was designed to win this season. they didn't and they have now potentially fukt the next few years. they also still have the highest payroll in the NBA. ouch

Kidd is on the slide BIG TIME..... what??

Come on thedoctor, fair enough it took a little bit to gel with his new team, but season averages of 10.8 points, 10.1 assists and 7.5 rebounds suggests that he is still in GREAT form.

Playoff averages down to 8.6 pts 6.4 rebs and 6.8 assists tell a bit of a story, but I would like to see him with a full pre season with the team, and Dallas trade for another scorer (Ben Gordon maybe).

Fair call on the salary though, was not aware of that...21 mill, wow..

i think the playoff numbers tell a huge part of the story. kidd will be 36 next year. not saying he's not still a great player, but I still think the trade was a failure based on why the trade was made.

If they had more than Dirk to put the ball in the hole, Kidd would be great value still. He still finds the open man, rebounds way bigger than he is, and should be able to put up 10 - 15 a night still.

Like I said, a Ben Gordon type player, maybe even Gilbert Arenas (who I think I read was looking to get out of Washington) who can command the second best defender will open it up for Kidd to score a bit easier as well ala when in New Jersey..

They still had Howard, Terry and Stackhouse - should be enough to put some points on the board, surely?

Howard went AWOL when it mattered which I think affected Kidd's play, Terry is hot and cold, you never know what you will get from him, and Stack averaged 10 for the year! 6 per game in the playoffs...

Keep Terry, trade Howard, and/or Stackhouse IMO.

Kidd was never really suited to the style of play the Mavs used, which was all isolation plays. I could see Cuban blowing it up. How you go about it is an tough question though. Other than Kidd, the rest of their core are all still young or in their prime.

I think the Suns still have a 1 year window available. They need to get a defensive assistant who will get them playing some decent defence and they need more depth. I dont think you should fire D'antoni until Nash is well past his best.

Pretty sure both LA and Utah are already in title contention (especially LA! - Where have you been?)

Kidd's stats may be great, but that doesn't mean he's still great. He pretty much was incapable of scoring, couldn't move as well - which directly relates to his D, and was hopeless in the half court.

Devin Harris would have matched up with Chris Paul a whole lot better than Kidd did.

i think the playoff numbers tell a huge part of the story. kidd will be 36 next year. not saying he's not still a great player, but I still think the trade was a failure based on why the trade was made.

Oh yea I agree with you about the 30 teams there Dizzle. It's simple logic - there's 30 teams, and only one championship, so there's bound to be plenty of teams missing out. I was just trying to justify why some teams might get impatient. I don't really think teams who are spending millions, and aren't getting any younger, are happy to come up short. It's not totally logical, but that seems to be the case.