Defence wins Games
Years ago
Tigers tie down Grizzard
3 year contract done .
Still McPeake is taking about Hodge and also Sam Mackinnon
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Defence wins Games
Years ago
3 year contract done .
Still McPeake is taking about Hodge and also Sam Mackinnon
Article
Mr Black
Years ago
sweeettt....im huge on this guys game.
He brings it at both ends.
DJ
Years ago
Tigers are assembling a very tough inside team, it is become a joke how the 'top teams' are signing whoever they want - they should scrap the points rule as it only seems to be affecting the 'struggling teams' who are the same teams that are affected by the slaray cap.
DandyBoi
Years ago
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23520441-10914,00.html
You can read all about Grizzard's signinga nd the Tiger's drafting intentions.
Isaac
Years ago
DJ, interesting idea - bottom three teams get points cap concessions? I think when this has come up before, the problem is how to allow them to retain that team in the future once they're not a struggling team and do have to abide by the points cap?
DICKO
Years ago
What the hell?
If Lampley is leaving and being replaced by MacKinnon, OK. 10 points, one for the other.
If Thomas is leaving and being replaced by Hodge, as rumoured, OK. 10 points, one for the other. Or they manage to keep Thomas....OK.
How the hell do they fit Grizzard in? Is Anstey leaving and no-one knows about it yet?
As far as I know, they don't have another 10 point player to sacrifice.
The points system was meant to stop teams doing EXACTLY this with their rosters. Won't even mention the salary cap. With what Grizzard would be worth, plus what Hodge is asking and MacKinnon would be looking for. Add that to Anstey and your salary cap is already gone.
Surely they can't get Hodge, Grizz AND Mac and make that work? Can they?
Isaac
Years ago
Skip, no, there were a lot of suggestions that Lampley was not overly loved by teammates actually. Strange since Seamus was wanting to lock him up for three years soon after he first signed.
Dicko, they're losing DMac, potentially Stiff also, keeping some rookies, signing that college kid, and I think Corletto is quite low once deductions are applied.
This is from memory, so might be wrong:
Anstey 10
Hoare 8 (loyalty?)
Barlow 8
Crosswell 7
Corletto 3 (possibly?)
Greer 1
That new kid 1
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38 points
Leaves 30 to come - SMac and two imports.
Kent Brockman
Years ago
Remember the bottom two teams were allowed to run 3 imports for a season to help out and all that did was bankrupt the Cannons even quicker.
Hoare would be capped at 5 under the old rules so they may have even more points up their sleeve to work with than what you suggest Isaac.
drb
Years ago
its a disgrace and makes a mockery of the points system.
Nutwork
Years ago
How is Barlow an 8? He is in the top ten Australians in the league and sure to be a Boomer in Beijing.
How can Barlow & Cooper be the same value?
DICKO
Years ago
I just don't see it.....but, hell, I'm 100% confident that the NBL will make sure the Tigers aren't doing anything untoward.
Good thing you don't need a PG to get the ball to those guys.
Kent Brockman
Years ago
I dont see what the issue is re the points cap apart from questions over player rankings as has been discussed already.
The league has set a known points cap limit and the Tigers are working within that.
The team they are putting together suggest they are very confident in grabbing either Aaron Bruce or Adam Gibson for a guard spot or happy enough with Corlettto and Crosswell.
What they are paying these players is anopther thing all together at least the points cap can be monitored and objectified.
To me it is like the tax system, dont break the law just understand the rules and do what you can within them.
Isaac
Years ago
Agreed. If the biggest issue you can find is that Barlow is an 8 when maybe he should be 8.5 or 9 (tops), things aren't too ridiculous and certainly not a "disgrace".
skip
Years ago
I agree that Barlow would be a 9 tops, but do you think that Cooper should be and 8? or more to the point that they should be the same rating?
Kent Brockman
Years ago
OK what if any NBL team did this?
Anstey
Tucker
Worthington
Mackinnon
Bruton
Jawai
Rookie 1
Rookie 1
Hoare 5 or equivalent loyalty discounted player like Maher etc
and 5 points to go on any other player say Dann, Trahair, Caporn, Martin
apart from blowing the cap up this team is points legal.
You have tied up 5 of the 10 players who are locals and rated 10 points. This leaves 5 big names to be fought over amongst the other teams and note one of those is Horvath.
You have killed the intent of the points cap to spread the talent throughout the league and in doing so also made your self teh strongest team in the league.
Isaac
Years ago
Then you lose Jawai and Worthington overseas, Maher retires and you're the equivalent of Miami in the next season because you don't have on-going loyalty deductions. Players favouring certain cities and bidding wars would prevent it happening to quite the extent you've outlined.
Kent Brockman
Years ago
True Isaac, what i am highlighting is that it could be done.
Championship guaranteed team.
Isaac
Years ago
Skip, Cooper should be a 7 - still just a single point off.
Juror 12
Years ago
The 2nd import would run the point when Crosswell isn't on the court (Hodge or other).
DICKO, no, I wouldn't mention the salary cap. If the reported figures that pulled Worthington and Smith to the Dragons are anywhere near true, the rest of the lineup would need to fit under $200,000, or the Dragons aren't exactly the saints of this off season.
DICKO
Years ago
First of all, Smith hasn't signed with the Dragons.
Second, I'm not really suggesting that everyone else is under the cap, I'm just sick of the Tigers going about things the way they do.
I mean, seriously, these rules are meant to be about parity.
This is the championship team replacing Thomas with MacKinnon and Lampley with Grizzard. They are 2 serious upgrades, in my view.
Parity? Crap!
And Westover must LOVE his job.....security and an owner who's making enough money to give him every player money and points can buy. And still has enough left over to eat damn well, apparently.
The problem though isn't that the Tigers may replace Lampley with Mackinnon, it's that they pay so much to do so that it locks others right out.
The Gold Coast want Mackinnon, but can't afford him. They're a well funded team. You know that doesn't mean that they can't afford the $175K or whatever "max" (hahahahahahahaha) deal.
There's the problem. There's no natural regeneration in the NBL. Either you have a bucketload of cash and spend well excess of the salary cap and buy a Top 4 team, or you play by the rules and suffer for it.
No natural regeneration - all the players flock to whoever is in the money that particular season. There isn't a Grade A player that hasn't been linked with one of the two Melbourne teams this off season. In recent years past that's included Cairns and the Kings. Go way back and Adelaide and the Wildcats were happy to fork out big as well. That's how the regeneration works in the NBL. You spend big and win for a few years, hit a wall at best or go completely bust at worst, and it moves onto another couple of clubs.
It's a model that is barely worth supporting, IMO.
Dandy
Years ago
Tigers new "young Australian" player Daniel Johnson was strong with 33 points and 12 rebounds aghainst Sandringham in the Big V on the weekend.
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