"Is it ok for a Div 1 coach to belittle players that are not in their team with sarcasim and derogatory comments?"

It works for the winningest coach in Australian sporting history.

Can we lock this now? It will only go one way, south very quickly!

My thoughts are you are nothing but an anonymous whinger. If you are not happy, take it through the proper channels. If you are still not satisfied, change clubs.

Thought process, ultimately, over a period of 5-10 yrs players are responsible for their own development. There are exceptions but I cannot see many coaches wanting to "make players quit". Maybe the coach in question just does not believe your son/daughter will ever play div 1.

In my expeience (I never played or coached basketball, just a parent) good coaches and bad coaches exist as do good parents and bad parents. Good players will overcome this to succeed and over this period of time will see a number of different coaches. Rather than externalising all the issues from your son/daughter perhaps you should look internally to some of the issues and get help to overcome them. In the long run your son/daughter learning how to deal with what they perceive as adversity will help them with the rest of their life.

I thought it was Brendan Joyce....

"Mods please", no way, I want to see if "thought process" can find the Enter key in their next post!

dont need to find the enter key it has worked so far

shouldiputspacesorpunctuationsinmypost

thanks isaac I never thought to put any spaces or punctation in my post thats why there are no full stops or question marks in my post.

I found the enter key now.

Potty mouth my son and daughter are not of Div 1 Quality and I know this, the question was should div 1 parents coach div 1

No it wasn't.
You asked about coaches making players quit, picking players who may or may not train in teams because of parents, and coaches using inappropriate comments.
In other words, you were having a thinly-veiled swipe at a coach.

I never mentioned your child once.
I said was that rather than sniping anonymously, take your grievance through the proper club channels. If you aren't satisfied with that outcome, move. Otherwise you just appear to be a whinger.

do clubs keep kids in div 1 because their parent/s are on the committee?

of course

if the div 1 coach makes lower grade kids quit ... ?

sounds like some homework at the club needs to be done - i'd go elsewhere

thought process, just wondering what positive outcome you hope to achieve by bringing this up here?

anon 160866, do you know of any particular circumstances or are you stirring the pot? I will be at Marion tomorrow night if you are game enough to talk to someone at the club?????

Hi di ho people. Hope I can still say that and not get into trouble or is it Hi di ha now?
Who decides who plays Div 1? Well I do in my Div 1 team. Good to see things haven't changed people still bagging the most Southernest club.

my kid played about 1-2 mins off teh div 1 bench some years ago.

and was always blamed when they lost.

trained just as hard and was as evenly skilled as most of the team.

one other kid always started , never a bad word said missed training when they liked.

could not work out what the F was going on.

a year or so later i found that this kids family where doing lunch / dinner regularly with the coach and it was all cosy.

dont think i ever even purchased a coke for the coach - then i knew our problem.

Are we talking the same coach?

Funny that the same reason the last club they were at got rid of them as a coach for similar reasons as above. Nepotism is an ugly thing, and nobody wins from it.

Unfortunately it seems that some parents decide where they want their child to play, but the coach decides where they will play.
Unhappy parents should log onto www.pps4me.com
BTW -pps is short for pushy parent syndrome.
There may be a backlog of parents in denial at this site

Yep and some coaches have no balls and allow themselves to be seduced as it's easier than being 'unpopular' with the pushy parents. As a respected old coach of mine once said, 'the ones who kiss your arse take you for a fool'. Think about it!

Who decides who plays div 1?

GOD!

I just want to offer some insight into the mindset of selectors that may or may not be relevant to the people thinking about and responding to this topic.

First of all I am not a South Australian. I am involved in the Vic Country program and am childless. I have been involved in first-stage player selections at a regional level (12s & 14s) and firmly believe that talent is only one factor in so-called talent identification.

The kids who go to skills days come from a number of small associations, if a coach from your association is there it increases your chance of being selected, we all push hard for 'our' kids to get picked.

Surname matters. If your cousin is good, so are you.

Parents can't participate in selection when they have a child involved. Said child always makes it through unless he can't catch. Country cup and pacific coast slam teams are loaded with the offspring of coaches (at least 10 that I know of), which is sometimes fair enough, having someone at home who can work on your game is a plus, but half the time those kids wouldn't be good enough to be selected if they left their surname at home.

The number of kids who happen to be siblings of proven players is amazing. Height and speed are generally hereditary and that's all we care about over here! Is that true in SA also?

And GOD works down at Valletta Rd!

#162071

People grow at different rates, today's shortarse may be tomorrow's giant. That tall u/14 may have finished growing.

Speed can be developed.

Work ethic and coachability trumps height and speed if height and speed is uncoachable.

Obviously tho, everything else being equal, pick the taller, faster player, but don't put all your eggs in the height and speed basket!

Most vic country teams perform worse in 18s than in 16s.

Conversely SA metro teams (particularly boys) do much better at 18's than 16's and even better again as 20's. Now I know Country and Metro combine but so do every other State as well. That says that our TI system is not the basket case that some posters on here make it out to be. In fact pound for pound SA and Tasmania are seen nationally as the best producers of talent.

"Why do parents with kids who are not tall encourage or allow them to play district when there is nowhere for them to go?"

As a parent of one of these kids, I allow it because of the enormously useful life lessons learnt.

With a few exceptions, kids realise what they are worth in the big scheme of things at the age of about 16/17.

Only one or two players per age group will have "anywhere to go". The others achieve to their ability, which can be a very good ability compared to most others, so they can be proud of themselves.

However more importantly, provided they are coached well they learn
- to push themselves to their limit when it is worth it
- that practise and keeping at it improves their performance
- to be disciplined and organised
- to take on advice and rejection
- to deal with negativity (every Div 1 player is confronted with negative approaches at some stages in their carreer; as a parent, I see these as learning opportunities).

What more do you want? Your kid's gaining incredibly valuable experiences that he/she can go back to and rely on later in life!

On top of that they have a great time playing ball at the highest level available for juniors.


If you don't see it this way, I'd have no idea why you'd allow it.

Skill and brains over height and speed will more than likely win the game. The kids with speed and height get the court time more than the others but it is a mistake that many make and it does cost games.

Coaches are height obsessed in the younger ages which is a real pity as skill and brains may end up being 6'4" come their 15th year and have missed out on the opportunities and first class training given to the taller counterparts, who have dropped away in the older age groups because some just dont have what it takes no matter how much time and effort the coaches put into them. In the meantime skill and brains is the one that goes to all the skill camps, attends all trainings, practices at home 24/7 and atends carnivals that they are asked to be in. Many talls that I have come in contact with don't do half the amount of work, dont train regularly put other sports first and get the easy ride. Some clubs will tell you point blank that if you haven't had the Div 1 training all the way through, it doesnt matter what height the kids get to - they will not be looked at. And this is what is wrong with basketball in this state!

This is the negativity that is being a second year div 2, 3, 4 & 5

And, it does not teach kids what they are worth, my kids are worth a lot more than what is being dished up in the lower grades, but thankfully their lives are not determined by their success or lack of it playing basketball. They have friends, achieve well at school and have other interests.