Why Whinge? Young players today just want instant success without putting in their dues.. Stop Complaining and go have your kid practice til he/she is good enough!

How do u think this will work with the ABL salary CAP being reduced??? Its altraedy going to be less money for the stornger players???

The anonymous poster is spot on. Kids, or anyone for that matter can move change clubs(assuming that the ckub of their choice actually wants them), at pretty much any time he/she wants to.

Also, even with the draft, there is always going to be people who complain that the are not getting a go. These are the people bring our sport down, because they are trying to play and in some cases succeeding when they just are not very good!

you forget a large number of kids still believe in club loyalatiy -

Right, so how would a draft that could send them to another club work for them?

How will it work for them Isaac you ask....simple?

Every top level sport or team can only can have so many players to fit into one side...what happens to the rest? well they either move around or quit the game. People are to focused on money and that maybe so but if people are contracted to a club arrangements can be made for things like petrol etc...Each ABA club has a salary cap so better use this for its team to get the best players available. Loyalty is another, they say some clubs want to hang onto certain players well if they don't get the time whats happens then....throw all the names into a draft or start a draft. Each club select new players depending on how many vacancies occur. Players then get picked for a variety of reasons as similar to AFL or SANFL....you can also introduce father son/daughter rule. This way each club has a list of 20 something players. Each of the more dedicated juniors or players will strive not only to be picked by there own team but the ability to play at a high level, called ABA. In time the competition improves. If players wish to ove from club to club then they would have to give up something or drop a player or transfer them.
It can work and it would certaialy even up the sport...makes it more interesting than watching the same teams every year winning whilst the lower teams remain low. This gives everyone an opportunity to play. It makes people hungry to achieve and play ABA. It stops people from being disgruntled where they know the rules, work hard and they will play ABA even better they could play for there chosen team....it can work...at least think about the concept and look at continual progress. This may appear radical but it can work. Isaac I am prepared to come and give you a draft outline of what can be done but the sport needs an injection. I can only look at the AFL Draft and what people thought when it ws introduced...now look at the results, attendances are up, teams are even and the nest thing on any given day the bottom team can beat the top team....money I don't think is the issue...tansport, petrol money is easy to find, club sponsorships etc....it can work it just needs someone to own this project and I am quite happy to put my hand in the ring.

It goes to show you know little about basketball and the big word titled survival is the key to this sport and others. Lets continue to watch it spiral down. You see people like you can't see beyond your own self importance. I don't think Presidents of clubs would see ABA as fun....I think you need to find another sport it shows you like the continual down turn of basketball and its future. Let me see, when basketball does hit rock bottom you will pick up that stone and throw it and blame people for not doing enough. Yes this is an idea to kick start a think tank....perhaps you should direct your energies into proposing ideas not hindering.....leave the sport your comments are a waste of breath.....we don't need knockers...so get over it

at least I am trying to look at a problem in an attempt to secure our game for the future. Once again you are just a knocker witting on the side line shooting people down and then blaming everyone else for the demise. You really need to shut up or put up....I can't see any solutions you have written????perhaps you need to get a life and leave it to people who at least have a vision to the future. The view must be great from the cheap seats.

Oppurtunity to play ABA !
Everyone has the oppurtunity to play ABA. What happend to work ethic ? Maybe some people need to realise its not just a given right to move from juniors to the ABA, you earn your spot which doesnt happen straight away. Minutes this, minutes that, what about "harden up".

What team has consistently failed to be competitive? Eastern are battlers this year, but were at the top end of the table not far back. Woodville are in the middle this year, but were champs recently.

Maybe South and Centrals have failed to dominate, but put up strong teams in recent years and once upon a time wasn't South one of the best sides? Norwood struggled the other year but are top-tier now.

If players want to change teams to get minutes or for other reasons, they can. Goodenough, Watson, that ex-North guy with the name I can't remember how to spell (so I won't try), Fuller, Reeves - they've all changed teams in the last 1-2 years alone and there are probably more.

Sorry, I just can't see a draft being the solution. As has been said, it looks like an unnecessary and convoluted solution to a poorly defined problem.

Let's say you have an 18yo prospect at a strong team, not quite good enough to crack the roster. Why do they need a draft to shop themselves around (talk to friends, to coaches, etc) for a better opportunity?

Someone outside the best 20 at Sturt (for example) probably wouldn't get a run at Centrals (for example). Why would they throw their hat into a ring that could see them having to drive to Starplex when they could be thrown into the mix within a year at their own club? Look at some of the kids at Sturt this year - the Sabres lost five starters (Smylie, Forman, Gower, Bauer, Shepherd) in one off-season, and Paget and co are getting a decent go - most of those guys weren't even on the extended bench last year.

Paget was patient. Breheny moved clubs and got major minutes. Neither needed a draft.

It was a discussion topic not a means whereby people can sling crap. You argue you cant see a problem when one actually does. I don't have to prove this argument Isaac because it has been done before and that is at AFL, SANFL level and before you say it money is not the key. This draft system has worked you just need to look at how things have changed in these codes. I hate it when people say its all too hard...its offers pathways for our juniors...to achieve and work harder...look at the basics and whether you agree or not it could would it just lacks peoples imaginations. At least I am putting something up instead of the contants dribble and negativity this site attracks...where are the positives.....Yes I am passionate to the game that appears flawed currently. We need new focus on ABA as we are losing people. Go to some of the ABA games how many people attend? Why the competition is top heavy...make it even and the spirit and competion returns....have you a better soluntion?

Do you think the low attendances to the ABA games have anything to do with the lack of exposure/publicity of this league within SA ?
Im not saying a draft is right or wrong it is a thought that has been raised as a positive for the game so you have to respect that.
Does the media here really do anything for ABA though ?

I'm not slinging crap. I'm saying that I think you've defined a supposed problem poorly and then derived a solution that doesn't necessarily have a strong relationship to the original problem.

Crowds don't go to games because there is virtually zero publicity outside of this community, a bit in The Advertiser and the Messenger. A lot of the coverage are reviews in retrospect, not publicity in the lead up to a game.

A lack of alternative solutions doesn't mean that yours has legs. Nor does someone need to put up a viable solution to provide criticism of yours.

Looking at this season, why wouldn't you talk of a points cap to distribute someone like Rychart to a team like Centrals? How's a draft going to address that?

And why is a kid going to sign a contract for zero financial return?

Not saying you sling crap but this is a short example of the proposal. I'm sure you would agree that change can't be as simple as that. You have made valid points and that is good. I was just trying to breath some fresh ideas for discussion but as usual you get shot down as soon as you type (not saying you) You are correct about the reasons why crow is down and it always comes back to money but unless you have a product that is clearly for sale and people get good value for money in return why would they go.
You see by an introduction of a class player to a strong club would not work under a draft would it and this is what I am saying? The strong clubs stay strong and the weaker clubs fade away.
this proposal was in short an idea obviously a lot of work would need to be made in making adjustments but in the end it could work and thats my opinion. Whether I have described the problem well in the short term is immaterial...You can only type so much to grab the attention.....The original poster of this I thought was on the right path...I think it was 'on the grapevine' at least he had a dip. I thought myself it had merit and of course it was a snapshot I'm guessing. Isaac people need to be constructive when making comments because at the end of the day if we fail, these negative people who just bag people instead of coming up with solutions will say I told you so......I love watching the ABA but totally disappointed at the crowds that come. ABA has talented players and the public do not see this or if they do they see one sided games.....

If you put up an idea and get shot down by the majority, could it be that it's not that good an idea?

I think the product is pretty decent and the pricepoint (at $5 or so for a ticket) is great. The Central ABL site this year is a massive improvement on what's been around in the past, but how many read it? Who gets told about the league?

Take away the imports of Rychart, Oakley and Cooper, and wouldn't the league be that much closer? That, in my opinion, is how you have to evaluate level of competition. Someone always has to be at the bottom of the ladder.

hooray at last we have simple chatter on a subject....I appreciate your comments and they do make sense. Ok so the idea was a little far fetched maybe....I ws looking at the footy module and that turned around to the positive. Maybe radical is the way to go who knows. I like ideas and love putting them up. If everyone had ideas perhaps we wouldn't be in the position we are. Lets bury this subject now as we agree to disagree. I must say after your emaotional backlash you actually made sense good sense. Its a pity tbhis site doesn't have more positive people like you and some others....cheers and thanks. I won't go away though I may have other ideas to help or hinder....cheers

If you look at most clubs you will see that there are probably more than 10 players in the ABL squads to start with, they just don't suit up every ABL game, thats what reserves is all about. Juniors have to expect a few seasons in reserves at least before getting decent ABL minutes. I think the problem with juniors is that they all expect to be superstars NOW, and they aren't willing to put in the time, effort and commitment. It isn't like that in the real world. I can say from experience that the unhappy juniors I've come across are usually the ones who are used to being great in U18s or U20s. ABL is a whole different game kids. Juniors and their parents have to expect a few seasons on the bench, inconsistent (if any) minutes, tough coaching and a bit of tough love from senior players. You are fighting for spots now, you don't have a right to minutes. There is nothing stopping players from switching clubs, and plenty of coaches are headhunting every season. A draft won't help disgruntled players who don't get time. Only practice and skills will do that.